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[StreetsofBeige]

Funny how they got no problem getting out of the house when it's a party.

Also, big tip to get people RTO. Just get HR to organize more social activities like BBQ day, Cinco de Mayo taco day or afternoon bowling.

Watch as almost every WFH guy magically shows up that day. Trust me, it works. Suddenly the office is jammed with people. So to get more people to show up just give them a free burger and scoops of potato salad and they'll be there.

 

[Evil Calvin]

Ubisoft Milan employees doing a rave party as they protest because of cancellation of smart working (remote working).

Get the fuck over it. Be lucky you have a job in the industry.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Just the US.

The UK is practically the same, if not better than a lot of other European nations.

I kinda disagree. The French seem to take long lunch breaks with a glass of wine etc. They seem to be more chill and far less health and safety conscious.

But my knowledge is third hand from my mum living over their so I dunno.

 

[PeteBull]

I thought you were from Brazil.

PeteBull are you from Brazil right?

It has its own advantages despite ton of downsides:

 

[cireza]

How do you know that this is related to ubisoft ?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Just fire them all. There are millions of Chinese and Indian graduates willing to work normally in office.

Too bad they are unable to create much that doesn't involve copying the West?

 

[GymWolf]

There people reminds me if another classic game dev being idiotic.

Wtf does caterwauling even means?

 

[IDKFA]

I kinda disagree. The French seem to take long lunch breaks with a glass of wine etc. They seem to be more chill and far less health and safety conscious.

But my knowledge is third hand from my mum living over their so I dunno.

I did say most, but not all European nations.

I think the UK and Europe share roughly the same workers benefits.

In the UK, the standard is around 25-26 paid holiday days per year. What is it in the US? 10?

The UK and Europe have paid maternity leave for up to a year. Also paid paternity leave as well.

In the UK, I don't have to make up time or lose pay if I need to vist the GP and dentist. Assume it's the same for most of Europe.

The workers rights in the UK and the rest of Europe put the US and other place like Japan and South Korea to shame. They're practically dystopian in comparison.

 

[bighugeguns]

Wtf does caterwauling even means?

Sounds nautical. Secure the vessel's caterwaul.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Too bad they are unable to create much that doesn't involve copying the West?

I dont know about that. Maybe for creative stuff? Perhaps.

But for general IT stuff, we use a lot of those Indian consultants and farmed out help to run our ERP systems smooth. And when there's an issue, I've never had a problem with them. They are all super nice and fix the issue fast. Heck, they seem to work our EST hours though they are in India (or wherever they live). I think they got waves of people working EST hours and also some that work in off hours as sometimes you can see the comment trail as they pass the issue from person to person to whomever knows how to fix it in off hours.

Then internally you got some IT and data management guys who have the biggest attitude like they own the place and everything is so hard to fix. So they need a couple weeks to adjust a price in SAP. But some Indian guy or lady can fix a data issue in the next 24-48 hours with zero attitude.

It's also great timing too because I dont expect data fixes to be fixed on the spot. I know it takes time. But if I submit an IT ticket in the afternoon, by the time I log back in next morning I might already have it fixed since they are doing their fix on off hours.

 

[Spooky Scary Skeleton]

The workers rights in the UK and the rest of Europe put the US and other place like Japan and South Korea to shame. They're practically dystopian in comparison.

Putting anything related to work/life, hr, workers rights from any Western/Northern European countries and comparing it to Korea/Japan would automatically put these nations look like a dystopian hellhole, bar none. Their work life balance is what most of US corporates salivates over.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Spoiler

my wife is full time wfh and its saved us a ton of money on child care

I can't see the image, appears as a broken link for me. In fact I could swear this has happened to me with other images you've posted recently.

edit: okay I just saw it thanks to the inspect option in chrome.

Spoiler

Happy for the missus! For me the best part has been able to move away from the city and back to my home town.

Also, big tip to get people RTO. Just get HR to organize more social activities like BBQ day, Cinco de Mayo taco day or afternoon bowling.

Ugh no, fuck that shit dude. Work is for working, and if people want to engage in social activities it should be by their own accord and not because it something organized by HR. I loved going out to have some drinks on Friday with the coworkers I actually liked, but having to go to those "HR activities" and pretend I was having fun was always a chore.

 

[mèx]

The seething at wfh that I read here on this forum will never cease to amuse me.

Yeah, it makes no sense to me. You can get so much more shit done with WFH it's unreal, especially when it comes to coding.

But I get that some people cannot get things done if they don't have a more structured working environment.

 

[IDKFA]

Putting anything related to work/life, hr, workers rights from any Western/Northern European countries and comparing it to Korea/Japan would automatically put these nations look like a dystopian hellhole, bar none. Their work life balance is what most of US corporates salivates over.

The dreaded 996 (which is working 09:00 to 21:00 six days a week) is apparently common in Japan and SK.

And US corporates are already putting this into practice. At least in the tech industry anyway where they're promoting it as something glorious that employees should be begging for.

AI gold rush sees tech firms embracing 72-hour weeks

In the race for AI, tech firms are asking for their staff to work long hours. But there are risks, experts say.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm sure other US CEOs are at their desks, pants down, tugging away at the thought of making the 996 mandatory.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ugh no, fuck that shit dude. Work is for working, and if people want to engage in social activities it should be by their own accord and not because it something organized by HR. I loved going out to have some drinks on Friday with the coworkers I actually liked, but having to go to those "HR activities" and pretend I was having fun was always a chore.

I hear ya. I dont care for some of those things either. But it does work. Pretty much everyone shows up and loves free food, or bowling where people are lined up at the bar grabbing beers all afternoon! Many people dont even care about bowling itself. Just eat bar food, drink and chat with coworkers.

Another big day everyone shows up is free product day. Wat happens is random ding and dented or old shit gets pre-boxed by the warehouse or marketing assistants. And you grab a box in the afternoon. You dont technically have to be there to get one. When the announcement comes out that week or the week before all you got to do is tell one of the them to hold a box for you and in the future on a day they do need to come to the office, they'll just grab it then.

But whoa nelly. On those free box days pretty much all the WFH people show up that day.

 

[NormalGamer]

Just fire them all. There are millions of Chinese and Indian graduates willing to work normally in office.

Yeah Ubisoft India worked out really well.

 

[crackajack]

Smart/remote working isn't a problem, bad workers are. You can have bad workers clocking 50+ "crunch" hours at the office but achieving nothing too.

worker= employee/manager/CEO

 

[walter568]

People who know how to live !
Well done, stay strong !

 

[StueyDuck]

It's a huge lifestyle downgrade to go back to working 12+ hours in a corpo box every day.

Changing this won't make games better or worse, these people are capable of producing the most based games imaginable, it's their corporate overlords and investors who fuck things up, they're literally the people giving broad instructions on what the product should be.

Tell those guys to get off their yachts and private estate golf courses and ponder their own idiocy in a box for 12 hours a day instead, much more practical arrangement.

I'd say the issue is less that it sucks going back and more that companies are finding not everyone actually produces decent work in those conditions.

There's definitely a fair compromise though. The 4-day work weeks have been flirted with in some corpos and have mostly been successful (at least in studies, who knows how bias that shit it).

 

[mitch1971]

What is this "smart working"?

We use to call it not working.

 

[Durin]

Man, these people are as lame as the slop-ass games they've been making lately. Makes it hard to sympathize, not gonna lie.

Reaffirms to me that it's not just the suits that are part of Ubisoft's problems, but also the theater kid devs as well.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Nothing fucking annoys me more than hearing people bitch about having to work a sitting job in a temperature controlled office when there's people doing back-breaking work outside in absolute shit weather conditions. Fuck. Off.

 

[kruis]

Ubisoft Milan employees doing a rave party as they protest because of cancellation of smart working (remote working).

If you'd told me this was a bunch of antifa's doing a rave party to protest against ICE, I'd have believed you. What a bunch of leftist losers.

 

[VGA-Games]

I personally would layoff everyone who wouldn't come back working in the Office!!!

 

[L*][*N*K]

Fire the extroverts!!

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Not a single one of them looks as half as cool as this guy.

 

[Bernardougf]

We use to call it not working.

 

[Lord Panda]

Ubisoft just spend a decade fomenting this internal culture of idiocy...

Yep and now they're reaping what they've sown.

 

[The Cockatrice]

All they need now is a Johnny Silverhand and some nukes.

 

[diffusionx]

Just fire them all. There are millions of Chinese and Indian graduates willing to work normally in office.

Yea the Indians did such a great job with Prince of Persia Sands of Time.

 

[yurinka]

wtf lol

 

[StereoVsn]

The seething at wfh that I read here on this forum will never cease to amuse me.

Workers have all the rights in the world to make a protest if they want to. Sure making a rave doesn't look like the most professional way of doing so but hey, more power to them.

The issue is that while a lot of folks are productive the other just do enough not to get fired.

That said, I think hybrid is ideal compromise between the two. That way you do get better interaction with your team as well as focus time.

And also the issue is that a lot of managers like to micromanage so they don't trust productivity data. Which is certainly a problem.

Like Topher said, people who are forced to go to the office fill time should be those who can't be productive working from home, not everyone.

 

[GHG]

It's becoming increasingly clear as to why games take so long to make these days.

And no, it's not due to "increased complexity".

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Good thing Japanese and Chinese game devs work normally in offices and produce lots of good games. The Western gaming industry continues to implode at a geometric rate

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's becoming increasingly clear as to why games take so long to make these days.

And no, it's not due to "increased complexity".

Must be purely a coincidence that attention to detail, Q&A and overall design cohesion took a hit in the creatives with this structure as well.

Purely.

 

[Forth]

They can protest all they want but at some point they are going to release a game I want to play and that hasn't happened in years.
Fuck 'em, they obviously think that they are more important than what they really are and the sky will fall at some point for them.

 

[kruis]

It's becoming increasingly clear as to why games take so long to make these days.

And no, it's not due to "increased complexity".

Games development was in a far, far better shape when it attracted only computer nerds who lived and breathed video gaming.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Good thing Japanese and Chinese game devs work normally in offices and produce lots of good games. The Western gaming industry continues to implode at a geometric rate

And at a fraction of the budget.

So it goes to show like anything in life, a higher price or higher paid employees =/= higher quality.

Once a company or group of employees get too comfortable with giant budgets and endless years to finish the job it becomes a slack off fest where numbnut employees (boss and subordinate) waste everyone's time and money to the last nickel.

Just imagine if youre one of those investment companies putting in $50M. You expect a good game made in a reasonable amount of time. But what you get is overbudget needing more money, it's late, the product sucks and worst of all you got employees on social media complaining they got to RTO making $150,000/yr.

Think of it like a parent giving a kid $100 to buy clothes. Of course the kid will max it out buying something dumb. Parents too lazy to cap it at $50 and kids too dumb to just spend $50. Either way, the kid could surely buy something decent and there's $50 leftover to do something else with it. Nope. Just max out the $100 budget and now broke.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Nothing fucking annoys me more than hearing people bitch about having to work a sitting job in a temperature controlled office when there's people doing back-breaking work outside in absolute shit weather conditions. Fuck. Off.

Not just that.

But according to many WFH, getting up in the morning and commuting to work is an energy draining thing. So by the time they get to the office by 9 am and sit in the chair they are already tired and less productive.

Yet somehow everyone else who commutes by car or taking a bus or works on-premise can figure out how to wake up and be fine working at 9 am.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

A lot of the usual "I work a blue collar work and have no chance to ever work from home, therefore everyone that does is lazy and only my type of work is real work" takes in here... how surprising

 

[DragonNCM]

It is all clear to me now why Ubi failing at games....look this JUNKY'S

 

[andreacusi]

I don't know the details of their "smart working" schedule.

But i think nowadays a good balance is possible, like 3 days at the office and 2 at home. Hell, IF people are productive, even 4 days a week would be enough.

 

[falling into hell]

I wonder if they will also hold a rave party when they are all fired.

 

[Bernardougf]

It's becoming increasingly clear as to why games take so long to make these days.

And no, it's not due to "increased complexity".

Its been clear for quite some time...at least for me... even more because I just dont see this giant leap from ps4 games to ps5 ....

 

[rkofan87]

Ubisoft Milan employees doing a rave party as they protest because of cancellation of smart working (remote working).

 

[KanKamAndNob]

The more I see of Western devs, the truer this meme becomes:

 

[Zacfoldor]

And I'm too sexy for Milan Too sexy for Milan New York, and Japan

I do my little turn on the catwalk

Dancing teaches agility. Dancing is pain. Pain is growth. Growth is pleasure. Dancing is pleasure.

 

[semiconscious]

ya gotta love people doing something they simply enjoy doing as a 'protest'...

I wonder if they will also hold a rave party when they are all fired.

guaranteed...

 

[Aenima]

So they pretty much doing the same as they do when they "smart working"

 

[username12]

This is like when they call a bald guy Curly.