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[Smiles and Cries]

Plotters hoped to stage a dry run of their plan within two days, U.S. intelligence officials say. CNN

what?

wtf http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

 

[bob_arctor]

what?

wtf http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

:lol

Terrorists planned to concoct an "explosive cocktail" using MP3 players and sports drinks to blow up as many as 10 jetliners bound for the United States, authorities said Thursday.

U.S. says terrorists planned dry run

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

energy drinks huh? it's apparent what's going on now. there are al-qaeda wanna be sympathysers who are trying at junior terorrist but failing miserably. this could prive more problematic than actual trained terorrist. this is what bin laden and sawahiri wanted.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I never trusted energy and sports drinks

 

[darscot]

Why would a sucide bomber try a dry run? This is laughable stupid. Ok guys were on the planes we got all the explosive, looks like we could blow them up. Lets come back and do this again tomorrow I got get home and finish my laundry.

 

[razorman]

Apparently it was Pakistani intelligence who tipped off the British about this plot:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2306811,00.html

Good to see Pakistan and the UK working together to fight terror.

 

[ManaByte]

Why would a sucide bomber try a dry run? This is laughable stupid. Ok guys were on the planes we got all the explosive, looks like we could blow them up. Lets come back and do this again tomorrow I got get home and finish my laundry.

They were doing the dry run to see if they could sneak the materials on board apparently.

 

[darscot]

They were doing the dry run to see if they could sneak the materials on board apparently.

Thats my whole point if you manage to get them on board why not just blow it up. Why would you try and sneak them off and then back on two days latter, it's retarded!

 

[Faizal]

yeah bush just said they wanted to attack us for our freedom. how long can we go on with these catchphrases that do nothing but simplify such a complex problem?

Funny thing is Bush this morning finally stopped pussyfooting around and finally said that we're at war with "Islamic fascism".

And now the Muslim community is all up in arms about it.

Poor Bush just can't win. :lol

 

[Faizal]

Thats my whole point if you manage to get them on board why not just blow it up. Why would you try and sneak them off and then back on two days latter, it's retarded!

The dry run was just to see if the plan could work. The wanted to blow up 10 planes at the same time to create a "spectacular" attack, not just 1.

 

[aparisi2274]

I thought you stated you were joking- if so, why would you repeat the 'joke' again? Not enough people giggled the first time?

So is it offensive to you? I will repeat that joke as many times as I want, because if I had the opportunity to enact that, i would. if you dont like it, sorry, but its my opinion and i am entitled to it.

 

[Slurpy]

So is it offensive to you? I will repeat that joke as many times as I want, because if I had the opportunity to enact that, i would. if you dont like it, sorry, but its my opinion and i am entitled to it.

It's irrelevant to me, as you don't come off as a very bright person. I was just pointing out how you've inherently contradicted yourself, first saying its a joke, then that you would inact it. But by all means, feel free to repeat whatever gives you pleasure. You know, freedom of speech and all that good stuff.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Why would a sucide bomber try a dry run? This is laughable stupid. Ok guys were on the planes we got all the explosive, looks like we could blow them up. Lets come back and do this again tomorrow I got get home and finish my laundry.

maybe its because they really wanted to hit 10 planes at the same time to make a larger statement so send one to test security then a few days later all 10 guys can go... dunno

but I do see your point

 

[darscot]

maybe its because they really wanted to hit 10 planes at the same time to make a larger statement so send one to test security then a few days later all 10 guys can go... dunno

but I do see your point

Well then just "dry run" all ten guys. Are these guys cheap? Didn't want to spring for all ten flights untill they were sure? :lol

 

[MrPing1000]

I heard the terrorists were planning on using mentos and diet coke to unleash the explosions.

I laughed :lol

 

[APF]

Well then just "dry run" all ten guys. Are these guys cheap? Didn't want to spring for all ten flights untill they were sure? :lol

Why would they want to risk exponentially-increasing the chance of something going wrong, on what is essentially a scouting and intelligence-gathering report?

 

[darscot]

Why would they want to risk exponentially-increasing the chance of something going wrong, on what is essentially a scouting and intelligence-gathering report?

I don't really want to get into this whole debate. Its seems stupid to me, if it makes sense to some of you thats cool. I guess to me these guys are just retards. Its like the group they caught in Canada there whole plan was hilarious. Part of me wishes they had tried it just for the stupidity that would have followed.

 

[Mute]

When you think of it, all it takes is a miniscule amount of explosive to take down a plane...like blowing out a window.

:lol

Umm. BRITAIN I LOVE YOUUU

 

[Nerevar]

I don't really want to get into this whole debate. Its seems stupid to me, if it makes sense to some of you thats cool. I guess to me these guys are just retards. Its like the group they caught in Canada there whole plan was hilarious. Part of me wishes they had tried it just for the stupidity that would have followed.

uh, just going by the reaction I'm pretty certain that this was a bit more dangerous than the retards in Canada. I'm sure the whole point of doing a dry run was seeing if any of the individual components raised alarm or could potentially be excluded by airport security. Because they were essentially brewing an explosive cocktail on a plane, losing even 1 piece of their explosive device could cause their whole plan to fall apart.

 

[APF]

I don't really want to get into this whole debate. Its seems stupid to me, if it makes sense to some of you thats cool. I guess to me these guys are just retards. Its like the group they caught in Canada there whole plan was hilarious. Part of me wishes they had tried it just for the stupidity that would have followed.

Even if they were just as stupid as the 9/11 hijackers (who also did similar "runs," IIRC), that is enough braininess for concern.

 

[ManaByte]

exactly... I couldnt agree more. This shit that the US has to be all civil with its detainee's but when a jerkoff kidnaps one of our citizens and cuts his head off, thats ok. The world just says "oh thats a shame" I say we start showing the world that we arent going to take this shit anymore. If we find someone who is directly plotting to hurt an american citizen or interest, we need to make sure they never do it again. Not necessarily saying we should kill them, but make an example of him. Going back to my previous comment, if you catch one, and I am serious, force him to eat something laden with pork. This way they cant get the virgins, and it ruins their chances of going to that place that they so desire to get to.

It may sound childish and stupid, but you have to do what you have to do to stop these guys, and just detaining them in Gitmo doesnt really do anything to deter them from f.ucking with us

Sorry. Never will happen in this politically correct country. You'd have Terrorist Rights Groups popping up to shoot down such plans.

Edit: And par, clean out your PM box. I was trying to PM you.

 

[Slurpy]

Bill Poland, 61, of Ross was headed to Lake George, New York, with his wife and son. He held up a tube of lip balm and shouted to a security officer who told him he couldn't bring it on the plane with him. He said he recently had a cancerous growth removed from his lip and the anti-bacterial ointment was necessary treatment.

"In an hour or two my lips are going to start burning and turning purple. And I've got five to six hours on a plane without this," he said. "This is not something I'm looking forward to."

Wow.

 

[COCKLES]

Sorry. Never will happen in this politically correct country. You'd have Terrorist Rights Groups popping up to shoot down such plans.

Edit: And par, clean out your PM box. I was trying to PM you.

I'm sure the Metropolitan Police iwll be on TV tommorow apologising to Muslim 'community leaders' for disrupting their daily business with terror raids, but **** all apology to the likes of the poor bastard with the screwy lips! British Police were so inept they even notified 'community leaders' that the raids were happening just incase they got offended at the prevention of more terrorist acts.

"We feel alienated and discriminated against"

No shit!!

 

[Kastrioti]

Great work by the Brits but I think its time for everyone to come to reality and realize the nature of the threat. The threat is fantatical male(a few women here and there) muslim's hell-bent on the destruction of the west. They want everyone to live under there sick and twisted view of the world and the more we keep fighting amongst ourselves, the better there chances are of a major attack. Shutting down some of those mosques in the UK that preach nothing but hate and violence would be a good first step IMO.

 

[GSG Flash]

I hate ****ing Al Qaeda, all their ****ing actions hurt muslims around the world the most. Sometimes I wonder if they are even muslims (I know they're not but they claim to be) because all of their actions go against the word of the Quran, it seems like they want everyone to hate muslims.

 

[Kastrioti]

I hate ****ing Al Qaeda, all their ****ing actions hurt muslims around the world the most.

Unfortunetly this is the truth. Islamic facists have taken over the Middle East and have brainwashed millions of Muslims with there hate filled rhetoric.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

I'm confused. Why are they raising security? They caught the bad guys... Doesn't that mean current levels are good enough?

I'm kinda thinking the only reason they caught them is they all showed up in the same cab or something.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I'm confused. Why are they raising security? They caught the bad guys... Doesn't that mean current levels are good enough?

I'm kinda thinking the only reason they caught them is they all showed up in the same cab or something.

:lol So true.

I don't feel any safer, but I can't claim to ever being scared in the first place. I heard the report early this morning on BBC, then saw it on tv later on. But I still strolled into Manhattan without even thinking about there being a threat. I'm just worried that they are only now considering the threat of a binary explosive device. Didn't a bunch of us mention that very same possibility on here back in 2001? There are millions of ways to kill people, I'm not sure if limiting the things we can carry on-board will ever make it any safer.

What about the terrorist who decides to infect themselves with some virus and then spread it to a cabin of passengers? Are we going to have to take blood tests to fly? They should just stick to what works best, profiling and intimidation. PEACE.

 

[Slurpy]

Great work by the Brits but I think its time for everyone to come to reality and realize the nature of the threat. The threat is fantatical male(a few women here and there) muslim's hell-bent on the destruction of the west. They want everyone to live under there sick and twisted view of the world and the more we keep fighting amongst ourselves, the better there chances are of a major attack. Shutting down some of those mosques in the UK that preach nothing but hate and violence would be a good first step IMO.

No, it wouldn't. Thanks for coming out though.

 

[Silverbolt]

I have to fly back to the US from Taiwan in a few days (a lovely 13 hour flight) and the thought of no carry on luggage and especially no DS is very depressing. Is the no carry on rule just for inbound flights from UK or is it inbound flights from everywhere?

 

[MIMIC]

From CNN:

The sports drink could be combined with a peroxide-based paste to form a potent "explosive cocktail," if properly done, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.

"There are strong reasons to believe the materials in a beverage like that could have been part of the formula," the official said.

 

[FightyF]

Funny thing is Bush this morning finally stopped pussyfooting around and finally said that we're at war with "Islamic fascism".

And now the Muslim community is all up in arms about it.

Poor Bush just can't win. :lol

What do you mean he can't win?

He just has to call it what it is.

Don't tell me you actually think that "they hate our freedom"?

Bush's language only HELPS terrorists by giving them legitimacy.

Can you imagine Bush calling a radical anti-abortionist who kills doctors a "crusader"? Or "Christian fundamentalist"? Extremists and radicals are far more appropriate terms.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the whole situation, and if that's the case, he's never going to win the war on terror because he doesn't even know the enemy. If he doesn't know the enemy, he doesn't know how to fight them.

exactly... I couldnt agree more. This shit that the US has to be all civil with its detainee's but when a jerkoff kidnaps one of our citizens and cuts his head off, thats ok. The world just says "oh thats a shame" I say we start showing the world that we arent going to take this shit anymore. If we find someone who is directly plotting to hurt an american citizen or interest, we need to make sure they never do it again. Not necessarily saying we should kill them, but make an example of him. Going back to my previous comment, if you catch one, and I am serious, force him to eat something laden with pork. This way they cant get the virgins, and it ruins their chances of going to that place that they so desire to get to.

It may sound childish and stupid, but you have to do what you have to do to stop these guys, and just detaining them in Gitmo doesnt really do anything to deter them from f.ucking with us

It does. In fact it's one of the most retarded things I've read on the Internet. There's a lot of retarded shit on the Internet...and your post was right up there.

 

[marvelharvey]

I have to fly back to the US from Taiwan in a few days (a lovely 13 hour flight) and the thought of no carry on luggage and especially no DS is very depressing. Is the no carry on rule just for inbound flights from UK or is it inbound flights from everywhere?

If all flights have been affected by the new carry-on rules, I'll be flying back to the UK next month via Paris. I'll be able to stand 1hour of boredom on the plane, but not the full 12 or 13.

 

[ManaByte]

I'm sure the Metropolitan Police iwll be on TV tommorow apologising to Muslim 'community leaders' for disrupting their daily business with terror raids, but **** all apology to the likes of the poor bastard with the screwy lips! British Police were so inept they even notified 'community leaders' that the raids were happening just incase they got offended at the prevention of more terrorist acts.

"We feel alienated and discriminated against"

No shit!!

If WWII had happened in this politically correct society, the Allies would've lost.

 

[aparisi2274]

Hey mana, my PM box is clear... PM away

 

[ManaByte]

Hey mana, my PM box is clear... PM away

PM sent.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The silly thing about all this is that simple racial/religious profiling of passengers can almost totally prevent these kinds of attacks, and will not cause any of this ridiculous inconvenience. That's what Israel's El-Al airlines does, and I don't think they ever had a terrorist blow up one of their planes yet.

not true. EL-AL questions absolutely everyone who boards their planes.. they have also have undercover air marshals on all their flights. they also scan everyones bags for explosives before even getting to the counter..

 

[ronito]

 

[whytemyke]

If WWII had happened in this politically correct society, the Allies would've lost.

Not really, cuz most of the people we fought were uniformed troops.

I really do feel bad for most of these Muslims. These terrorists are like the KKK on steroids.

what bums me out about the situation is there's supposedly 5 attackers that got away. I'll be watching the news in the next couple weeks leading up to 9/11 to see which country ends up shutting down entire airports.

 

[ManaByte]

not true. EL-AL questions absolutely everyone who boards their planes.. they have also have undercover air marshals on all their flights. they also scan everyones bags for explosives before even getting to the counter..

That may be true, but searching Granny as opposed to Aqhmed isn't exactly the thing to do. Sure, when the cast of Golden Girls suicide bomb themselves; then go ahead.

 

[Illuminati]

If WWII had happened in this politically correct society, the Allies would've lost.

Not really, cuz most of the people we fought were uniformed troops.

I believe he is talking about this:

 

[whytemyke]

MI-5 rules. way to go brits. i owe someone a beer, i think.

 

[Ripclawe]

More details

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2307947,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=Britain

JOHN REID took the telephone call at 11pm: possibly the biggest terrorist attack of modern times was imminent, the plot must be dismantled, arrests would soon be under way, Britain’s air traffic system would be plunged into chaos and the country should be placed on maximum alert.



Only a few hours earlier the Home Secretary had been haranguing critics of the Government’s anti-terrorism measures for failing to take the security threat seriously enough. “They just don’t get it,” he said.

He could have been forgiven for thinking as he picked up the telephone to inform the Prime Minister on holiday in the Caribbean: “They will get it now.”

So began a night of hightension drama, the culmination of an intelligence investigation that has been under way since early last year. The plot was unprecedented in scale but also horribly familiar, with all the hallmarks of al-Qaeda: sophisticated, ambitious, co-ordinated and entirely ruthless.

MI5 had built up a detailed picture of the plot over several months, but the threat had dramatically increased; the plotters had acquired the capability to carry out the attacks, perhaps within days. There was even a looming date, August 22, a holy day in the Muslim calendar and a propitious one for launching Armageddon.

From the Caribbean, Tony Blair spoke to President Bush. They had discussed the imminent plot at the weekend, but the Prime Minister had decided not to break off his holiday.

Just before midnight, as the first police raids began, Mr Reid chaired the first of two meetings of Cobra — Cabinet Office Briefing Room A, the emergency panel of officials from the police, intelligence and crisis management.

They were told an outline of the plot. Intelligence “chatter” had shown for some time that a huge terrorist attack was being planned, but the threat had come to a head.

ABC is saying the Brits had a mole

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/08/british_penetra.html

Operation Overt, the British called it, though they cracked it using covert means.

They had an undercover operative deep inside the group of at least 30 terrorists who had developed a simple, effective and potentially devastating plan to close the world's busiest airport, Heathrow, by carrying on small but deadly bombs concealed in sports drink containers and detonated by the flash of a disposable camera, intelligence and law enforcement officials told ABC News.

Even with an undercover operative on the inside, the British may not have known the full scope of the plot until it grew close to fruition, and authorities learned that the terrorists intended to assemble their bombs onboard at least six and as many as nine or 10 passenger jets that would depart from that airport. The goal was to deal out mass death and destruction and a crippling blow to Heathrow, a top al Qaeda target since September 11th.

TIME magazine says the US picked up the chatter which brings up NSA matters.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html

Britain's MI-5 intelligence service and Scotland Yard had been tracking the plot for several months, but only in the past two weeks had the plotters' planning begun to crystallize, senior U.S. officials tell TIME. In the two or three days before the arrests, the cell was going operational, and authorities were pressed into action. MI5 and Scotland Yard agents tracked the plotters from the ground, while a knowledgeable American official says U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group's communications. Most of the suspects are second or third generation British citizens of Pakistani descent whose families hailed from war-torn Kashmir. U.S. officials believe the 29 members were divided into multiple cells and planned to break into small groups to board the nine planes.

During the past few months the plotters' attack plans had changed, > said Deputy Secretary for Homeland Security Michael Jackson. "There were different data sets about their interests over time that evolved," he said. It was only in recent days, said Jackson, that the plans began to focus on British-U.S. flights. The plot was "very near execution" but not imminent, Jackson said. "We didn't pull people off of airplanes."

So as not to derail the British round-up, Chertoff had to wait until the early hours of Thursday morning after all the London arrests were made before notifying U.S. airports of the threat, say senior DHS officals. When it became clear the arrests would be wrapped up around 1 a.m Washington time, Chertoff got on a conference call with his Homeland Security Advisory Committee to approve changing the threat level. Then calls when out to the airlines, airline security companies and labor unions affected by the changes, as well as to members of Congress.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Within hours of the announcement of the anti-terrorism arrests in the U.K., Rudy Giuliani sent out a fundraising letter from the Republican National Committee that read, in part:

Today, President Bush faces a similar challenge. In the middle of a war on terror, we need to remain focused on furthering Republican ideas more than ever before. We can't turn back now. [...]

That's why I am emailing to ask you for a favor: will you click here to make a contribution of $500, $250, $100, $50, $35 or $25 to show your strong commitment to our Party and our principles?

The terrorism arrests were announced in the morning. By early afternoon, this email was out. Even if we make the extraordinarily generous presumption that it was already planned before the arrests were announced, ya think maybe the Republicans might have cancelled the message and waited, oh, at least a day or two or so before using the terrorism plot as a damn fundraising tool?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/11/12929/5562

There are no words. 0_0

 

[MrSardonic]

there is too much contradictory information out there.

last night a "security expert" stated that a liquid explosive bomb was detonated on a plane but the explosion was so small it only killed on man aboard and did little else. He said that the explosive and the quantity allegedly being used in this alleged plot would only be capable of penetrated the plane if it was held up against it and the blast was reflected by another surface. Even then, it is not sure the plane would explode or crash.

Western world should really speed up the development of non-fossil fuels so this bullshit could stop.

and why is that?

Another funny thing is that Al-Qaeda's obsession with large scale attacks with "wow" factor is working against them.

You do realise that "Al-Qaeda" is not like a political party or an organization? If anything it is just an ideology. The name itself and the idea that it is a coherent organization is an invention of the US imposed on Bin Laden (before 2001) and his ideological followers in order to prosecute Bin Laden, using old mafia laws, as if he were the head of an organisation, for bombings that he was believed to have given his blessing or funding.

I'd say that the ideology of Al-Qaeda is in fact working against them (everyone knows how unpopular these kinds of fundamentalists were in Egypt when they were killing their fellow Muslims for not being "muslim"). Perhaps the rise and increasing popularity of organizations like Hezbollah is in fact going to further reduce sympathy for Al-Qaeda means and ends.

 

[nightez]

Great work by the Brits but I think its time for everyone to come to reality and realize the nature of the threat. The threat is fantatical male(a few women here and there) muslim's hell-bent on the destruction of the west. They want everyone to live under there sick and twisted view of the world and the more we keep fighting amongst ourselves, the better there chances are of a major attack. Shutting down some of those mosques in the UK that preach nothing but hate and violence would be a good first step IMO.

Who told you the Muslims are hell bent on the destruction of the west?

 

[ManaByte]

there is too much contradictory information out there.

last night a "security expert" stated that a liquid explosive bomb was detonated on a plane but the explosion was so small it only killed on man aboard and did little else. He said that the explosive and the quantity allegedly being used in this alleged plot would only be capable of penetrated the plane if it was held up against it and the blast was reflected by another surface. Even then, it is not sure the plane would explode or crash.



and why is that?



You do realise that "Al-Qaeda" is not like a political party or an organization? If anything it is just an ideology. The name itself and the idea that it is a coherent organization is an invention of the US imposed on Bin Laden (before 2001) and his ideological followers in order to prosecute Bin Laden, using old mafia laws, as if he were the head of an organisation, for bombings that he was believed to have given his blessing or funding.

I'd say that the ideology of Al-Qaeda is in fact working against them (everyone knows how unpopular these kinds of fundamentalists were in Egypt when they were killing their fellow Muslims for not being "muslim"). Perhaps the rise and increasing popularity of organizations like Hezbollah is in fact going to further reduce sympathy for Al-Qaeda means and ends.

I thought Jinx made a thread for you to post your stuff in?

 

[Deleted member 1235]

If I was UK or the US, I would cease all immigration for muslims, simple as that. Time to stop ****ing around. Never let another muslim immigrate and in 80 years this won't be a problem anymore.

Muslims need to fix their shit. Everytime this happens there is muslims on tv saying "these people are not true muslims" I bet all those pricks are at mosque every other day though. People know things in the muslim community that they aren't letting on. Time for extremely invasive raids IMO.

 

[MrSardonic]

I thought Jinx made a thread for you to post your stuff in?

that was a thread for conspiracy theories such as those coming from SteveMeister...my comment was fact.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Who told you the Muslims are hell bent on the destruction of the west?

he said 'fanatical mulsims'. there is a difference.