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UK GENERAL ELECTION: LABOUR

I'll start with a quote from Star Wars :D :

"YOU FORGET, SHE'S A POLITICIAN.. AND THEY'RE NOT TO BE TRUSTED."

It's incredibly apt that such a statement would find its way into one of the biggest pop culture works of our time, but it's a sentiment you could find echoed anywhere on Britain's streets today. There are lots of reasons for the dwindling trust in our politicians. (And yes, I did use that quote because I'm a huge dweeb that's amped for the new movie)

Tony Blair entered Downing Street in 1997 promising to clean up the state of government as it was deemed under the previous Tory administration led by John Major. 7 years later, and Tony Blair is facing similar accusations of sleaze and being swamped in the mire of distrust himself. In many respects, he's brought it on himself. In others, he's been between a rock and a hard place. Most importantly, in many ways, maybe it's not entirely fair.

The campaigns of smear, spreading distrust, the emphasis on the Iraq war... all of this is threatening an imperfect government, but one that is positively benign in principle. Politicians are not inscrutible, and they make mistakes. But they are not naturally evil, as the common portrayal might convey. People become politicians because they want to help people... to win or lose though, one of two things has to happen. They either have to appeal to the right people, or the right people have to vote. I am going to try and convince you that it is in your interest, and Britain's, that this coming Thursday - you use your privilege and VOTE.

You will of course make up your own minds which party to vote for, but I am going to ask that you Vote Labour.

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WHAT LABOUR IS ALL ABOUT:

Clause IV of the Labour Party Rule Book – Aims and values

1 The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It
believes that by the strength of our common
endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone,
so as to create for each of us the means to realise
our true potential and for all of us a community in
which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands
of the many not the few; where the rights we enjoy
reflect the duties we owe and where we live together
freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

2 To these ends we work for:

(a) A DYNAMIC ECONOMY, serving the public interest,
in which the enterprise of the market and the
rigour of competition are joined with the forces of
partnership and co-operation to produce the
wealth the nation needs and the opportunity for
all to work and prosper with a thriving private
sector and high-quality public services where
those undertakings essential to the common
good are either owned by the public or
accountable to them

(b) A JUST SOCIETY, which judges its strength by the
condition of the weak as much as the strong,
provides security against fear, and justice at work;
which nurtures families, promotes equality of
opportunity, and delivers people from the tyranny
of poverty, prejudice and the abuse of power

(c) AN OPEN DEMOCRACY, in which government is
held to account by the people, decisions are
taken as far as practicable by the communities
they affect and where fundamental human rights
are guaranteed

(d) A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, which we protect,
enhance and hold in trust for future generations.


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HAS LABOUR LIVED UP TO THOSE AIMS AND VALUES?

Labour's Top 50 achievements:

1. Lowest inflation since the 60s
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage
4. Record police numbers in England and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties
11. 78,700 more nurses
12. 27,400 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Banned anti-personnel mines
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice at any time
18. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms
20. Equalised the age of consent for gay men
21. Free entry to all national museums and galleries
22. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
23. Restored city-wide government to London
24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
25. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
26. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways
29. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
30. Over 28,000 more teachers in England schools
31. Implemented the Freedom of Information Act
32. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
33. Record rises in the state pension
34. 700,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
35. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
36. Banned handguns
37. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
38. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
39. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
40. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
41. Record police numbers in Scotland
42. Implemented the Human Rights Act
43. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
44. Free TV licences for over-75s
45. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
46. Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations
47. Free local bus travel for the over-60s and the disabled in Wales and Scotland
48. Record number of students in higher education
49. Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality
50. Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less

....and now the four criteria:

A dynamic economy:
Great Britain has the fourth largest economy in the world under New Labour. Unemployment is at it's lowest since the 1970s. Interest rates / inflation are lower than they were following 18 years of Tory reign. There is record investment in public services. Our future workforce, the younger generation, has been achieving more and more, year on year. More of our tax contributions than ever now support school leavers applying for a place at University. As such Conservative elitism no longer dominates our higher education system. Our contributions ensure that the most hard done by in the massive 40% that apply now have a chance. I'm sure you're well aware of the top-up fees debate, and I haven't forgotten it either, I'll come to it soon. We pay more on University students than we do on primary and secondary education, and we don't have it bad there either. In a third Labour term, more focus will be put on the manufacturing/vocational skills strategy side of our education system and economy. As such, Labour is the party that worker's unions want to work with. By proxy, it's the party that workers want to work with. But do they know it?

A just society:
Society is not perfect. Parts of this country are still better off than others. Others see more opportunities. Others still, suffer further inequality and injustice. But what has happened since 1997? Labour introduced the National Minimum Wage, which Michael Howard himself opposed. Anyone here old enough to remember a time when you'd get under £3 an hour working McDonalds? Initiatives like New Deal and SureStart, which helps Britain's poorest families, are fighting a tough uphill battle to help break the circle of poverty many people still face. Labour has done so for 700,000 and 2 million pensioners. That's not to say enough has been done... how about equal pay and secure pensions? stronger rights? better public services? an improving NHS? Like UNISON have already said: How will spending £35 billion less help improve these things? What world ARE the conservative party living in? A radical third term for Labour is a mandate for them to continue improving this country and campaigning for social justice. A vote for the tories is not.

An open democracy:
How can we know if what we have in place is open and fair if people won't even get out and use it? On May 5, this Thursday, get out and vote. Use the new Postal system if you have to.


A healthy environment:
Britain played a key role in securing the Kyoto protocol agreement under New Labour, which will see this country aim to reduce emissions to below 1990 levels. Labour supports the principles of sustainable development, and on a related note: a third term will see this government continue it's work with the G8. Taking it's presidency in the coming years, it has already pledged to offer more help to Africa.


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MORE INFORMATION:

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The official Labour website: http://www.labour.org.uk

For more information on where Labout stands on specific issues, please follow the following links that interest you:

Health | Crime | Education | Transport | Trade and industry | Environment | Economic stability | Employment | Employees | Equalities | Defence | Foreign affairs | Culture, media and sport | Rural Britain | Asylum and immigration | Welfare reform | Modern government

For more information on what they're offering certain people:

Business | Families and children | People in developing countries | Older people | Women | Communities | Working people | Young people



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WHAT HAS A LABOUR GOVERNMENT DONE FOR YOUR AREA?
What are they promising? What would a Tory/Lib-Dem alternative mean?


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http://www.labour.org.uk/maps/level0.phtml?im=on



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THE MEDIA'S FAVOURITE ISSUES:


THE IRAQ WAR: AN ELECTION ISSUE?
Seperate Thread: http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=45575


STUDENT FEES:

Labour famously promised in their Election winning manifesto that there would be no student fees. However, during their 7 year tenure that tune has changed. Top up fees have become the hot debate. What's the reality?

Upfront fees will STILL be abolished. You'd be surprised how many people don't realise this. Nobody should have to pay anything to go to University. However, the idea of Top Up fees sees those students who can afford it paying back into the pot when they reach a certain earning level via a Graduate Tax. True enough, this represents more income for Universities because they will be taking more per each year of a students tuition... BUT they will only be doing so if the student can afford it. Students who are red flagged through means testing and who may never be able to afford even this, would not pay a thing.

Subsidizing higher education is a divisive and inflammatory subject to be sure. I'm not going to expect everyone to agree with me here, but hear me out. Here's how I see it: Britain competes on a global mind-market of sorts when it comes to cancer research and other specialities. In order to stay competitive it needs the resources in order to teach at that level, and draw the people in who can/will teach, and those bright enough to be tought. The Lib Dem proposal pays for the abolition of fees through the 50% rate on incomes over £100,000. That might seem fair to some of you... and whether or not you believe their sums, is the difference so great? In both cases you only pay for your education should you become successful. Only under Labour, students aren't taking charity from the tax payer and running away with a free leg-up in life. Sure we benefit from the doctors and nurses, we benefit from the people intelligent enough to run our infrastructures etc, but if you're giving these people a wage premium over other jobs they can afford to give back to this country and help the generation that follows them.

If you're already a student, you remain unaffected until 2005, when paying up-front fees will be abolished. Unless of course one of the other parties wins. With the Tory's threatening a return to admissions caps and elitism, vote wisely.



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EVEN IF YOU DON'T VOTE LABOUR... VOTE!

May the 5th. That's this Thursday. Find out where your local polling station is and go down on the day. You'll be able to do it when you get home from work or beforehand in most cases. It takes 5 seconds. And you give your country your say.


That's enough of my politically motivated threadery. I don't normally do this kind of thing, but I personally think people are taking their votes for granted... people aren't even abstaining out of protest... and I wanted to tell fellow UKers why I'm voting in the way that I'm going to vote :D

Catch ya later!

Thom
 
pfft the two main parties are just the same these days. Liberal Democrat is where I'd put my vote but unfortunately being in Northern Ireland we don't get to vote for the government that rules us :/

btw are u getting paid?
 
So are you volunteering/working(?) for Labour?

If so I have a question, what is Labour's stance on electoral reform? I will be voting Lib Dem (or possibly green) in a safe as houses Labour seat, so I know my vote doesn't matter. I know that if Chas Kennedy gets into power ( :lol ) he has promised to review the electoral system, and that proportional representation would disadvantage the two big parties but it just seems like FPP is archaic and unfair. Especially in a time of huge voter apathy.
 

Great King Bowser

Property of Kaz Harai
My 18th is a month after the election damnit. Gonna have to wait 4/5 years for the next one before I get to vote for the first time. :lol
 
Stevie Gerrard said:
So are you volunteering/working(?) for Labour?

If so I have a question, what is Labour's stance on electoral reform? I will be voting Lib Dem (or possibly green) in a safe as houses Labour seat, so I know my vote doesn't matter. I know that if Chas Kennedy gets into power ( :lol ) he has promised to review the electoral system, and that proportional representation would disadvantage the two big parties but it just seems like FPP is archaic and unfair. Especially in a time of huge voter apathy.

I'm neither volunteering nor working for them. I'm just taking an interest to be honest.

On PR I can only tell you the last I knew. Tony Blair and Charles Kennedy were in an agreement to review Proportional Representation in 2003/4. For whatever reason (and it could have been strategic on Labour's part) that was put back. It's now 2005, and they are saying they're going to review the success of PR in the Welsh and Scottish assemblies as well as in Europe. If it's deemed a success it will be put to referendum.

I would have thought this is a natural evolution myself, and would love to see it come into play. To ensure it's not strategically avoided though these are the kinds of orgs people need to support to see the reform through:

This is the Labour campaign for Electoral reform.
http://www.electoralreform.org.uk/

You can find other links, including Lib Dem relevant material at:
http://www.makemyvotecount.org.uk/
http://www.makemyvotecount.org.uk/links.html
 

Triumph

Banned
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

Tony Blair is scum. Just like all other politicians. The question is, is he YOUR KIND OF SCUM? Labour is anything but a Socialist party(even if you throw the word Democratic in front of it). Evidence of that can be seen by Blair buying wholeheartedly into the idiotic Neo-Liberal globalization horseshit. Further, he's stained his office and his party with the whole influence peddling scandal and now the dumb Iraq war. He and Labour deserve to be thrown out on their asses in favor of the Liberal-Democrats or Greens, IMHO. Of course I'm American, but I wholeheartedly welcome foreign opinions about our Government, just so long as they don't support it in any fashion.
 

pulsemyne

Member
Errm no its labour for me. The local saying is "The only good tory is a dead one" Thats how much they are hated. That bitch thatcher took away my free milk when I was kid!
 

Santo

Junior Member
Haha I wrote a paper on Blair today. What a poor sap with this whole Iraq mess he has gotten himself into.
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
I really don't know...well, anything, so I went on some site where you answer a bunch of questions and it tell you who you are most in line with and least and stuff (don't have a link).

Unfortunately I'm apparently most like the Green Party, but there's no candidate for me to vote for there. Lib Dems came next, so that's the one for me.

Funnily enough, the Conservatives came waaaaaaay last, behind a party I'd never even heard of, yet I think my parents have always voted for them.
 

123rl

Member
I'll probably vote Labour. Best of a bad bunch, IMO. I'd rather have more of Labour than switch over to someone else.

I hate Michael Howard and the Conservatives are a joke. It seems like the Lib Dems don't know what they're doing and the others aren't even worth discussing, IMO. Hearing the extreme right-wing bullshit from UKIP/Veritas cracks me up every time but you just know some muppets will believe it
 

123rl

Member
Mama Smurf said:
I really don't know...well, anything, so I went on some site where you answer a bunch of questions and it tell you who you are most in line with and least and stuff (don't have a link).
.

Do you mean this?

http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

It gave me a score of -19 for the Conservatives :lol I guess that means I won't be voting for them
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Labour's anti-democratic and hypocritical stance on voting for the Lib Dems would have been enough to sway me against them if they hadn't already thrown away my vote. "A vote for the Liberal Democrats might let Howard in". Pah. I spit on your scaremongering cowardice - unless, of course, you're planning on withdrawing the Labour candidate from Guildford and supporting the Liberal Democrat with a wafer-thin majority over the Tories. Didn't think so.
 

Avtomat

Member
Raxel said:
Bringing in tuition fees (fucking WANKERS) and lying to start a war = no vote. I'm actually for the war, but if there's one thing I truly loathe, it's being lied to. I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for a vampire demon headmaster though.

While understand your aggravation I cannot help but feel it is a bit unfounded as Mr Blair simply allowed Universities to charge tuition fees up to £3000. The fact of the matter is Universities have been stating for a long time that the amount of money they receive from the government for a home student is inadequate thus extra money had to come in from somewhere. So either you start paying or taxes on somebody go up.

The Iraq war in my opinion was justified as he basically brought down a government was a destabilising influence in a region which already had plenty of those (destabilising influences). A government who in all liklihood allowed "terrorists" (that word is so overused nowadays, I feel dirty just by typing it) to operate within its borders so long as they did not interfere with his plans.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Vote Labour? Er, no thanks!

We elected a lawyer to be Prime Minister, looking back we should have known what to expect. Blair could find a way of arguing the sky is green.

And just as the Tories damaged the public's view of government with sleaze, so Labour have damaged it with spin. New Labour stands for everything and nothing, and the Tories are no better (and their current leader is also a lawyer).

We need a big shake-up of politics and politicians in the UK, starting with a reform of the electoral system. Which I believe was Labour party policy until they actually won and Blair decided he likes huge majorities.

So Lib Dems for me, I don't agree with everything they stand for but they are the only party who seems remotely honest, and one that doesn't seem like a huge corporate marketing/branding exercise. Also if I see one more stage managed Labour/Tory rally, with Blair/Howard standing infront of grinning hand-picked muppets who applaud on queue I will scream!

Politics? It's all bollocks.
 
I still don't get how/why I can vote in the general election, given that my only connection to the UK is that I'm here 30 weeks in a year at Uni.

I don't even think I'm able to vote (in terms of being registered et al) back home in Ireland!

Labour: Not Backwards, But Forwards, And Twirling, Twirling Towards Victory.

Not too pushed about the elections, as in broad terms there is precious little to differentiate the two major parties. The whole Democrat/Republican (Fine Fail/Fine Gael) thing they have going on makes it pretty hard to be motivated one way or the other. That and the fact that in my ward there is 0 chance of anyone getting elected who isn't Lib Dem.
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
Im not quite sure what to make of our choices this year...I mean basically I have to chose between two compulsive liars(It'd be fine if they were just "i never touched that transvestite prostitute child" kinda lies, but they are are more like "Iraq has WMDs" and "The Poll tax will save you money") and a man who can barely keep his own life together let alone run his party.

On the other hand at least its a better choice than america had.
 
FWIW, Rush Limbaugh said in his first hour that exit polls were indicating a Tory landslide...

More than likely he's taking a jab at the early exits in America indicating a Kerry landslide, but I figured it was worth posting...
 

djtiesto

is beloved, despite what anyone might say
I'm American and don't know very much about UK politics, but I took the "who should you vote for?" survey and ended up with "Liberal Democrat". Their thoughts seem to add up to my philosophy, though I don't mind Tony Blair much (aside from being Bush's lapdog). BTW I voted for Kerry.
 

123rl

Member
PotatoeMasher said:
FWIW, Rush Limbaugh said in his first hour that exit polls were indicating a Tory landslide...

More than likely he's taking a jab at the early exits in America indicating a Kerry landslide, but I figured it was worth posting...

Got a source for that? btw who's Rush Limbaugh?

I'd be surprised if this was true because the Tories don't have much chance of winning, IMO. They aren't popular at all
 
123rl said:
Got a source for that? btw who's Rush Limbaugh?

I'd be surprised if this was true because the Tories don't have much chance of winning, IMO. They aren't popular at all

Rush Limbaugh is a right-wing American radio talker...

I'd agree that it's unlikely... he cited no source other than early reports... he has a habit of playing games occasionally--he endorsed Bill Clinton for about 2 hours in the 92 American election...

With the restrictive election laws on media coverage in the UK, I figured it was worth some prelim discussion anyways!
 

pulsemyne

Member
Huh what on earth are you on about. Our media (television that is) is required by laws to remain impartial. The media can talk about polls and stuff and no polls are putting the tories ahead. Most have labour between 6 and 8 percent ahead. This results in a majority for labour of about 100 which is good for them.
 

123rl

Member
Thanks :) I've heard of Limbaugh but had no idea who he was (Brodie mentioned him in Mallrats :lol )

There have only been unofficial polls so far but it's roughly 40% Labour, 33% Tories and 25% Lib Dems. I'd expect the final polls to reflect something like that. The Tories have been a bit unlucky tbh. Just when they find some dirty little political tactic, their popularity soars (unofficial polls showed they were ahead of Labour at one point) then something happens to them and their popularity nosedives again :lol Michael Howard admitting to a journalist that he doesn't have a backup plan for the economy just about sealed it, IMO :lol

btw BBC News Online is probably the best reference for election coverage (as with most things). They say the polls close at 10pm GMT, early results should be available at 11pm and the final result at 1am tomorrow morning
 
pulsemyne said:
Huh what on earth are you on about. Our media (television that is) is required by laws to remain impartial. The media can talk about polls and stuff and no polls are putting the tories ahead. Most have labour between 6 and 8 percent ahead. This results in a majority for labour of about 100 which is good for them.
Not allowed to publish polls (including exit polls) on election day until voting is over. If he's not lying (unlikely I know) then maybe he means a swing towards tory rather than an actual tory victory. I wouldn't be surprised to see the tories make some gains, maybe cutting the majority to 50 or so.

Even the thought of a tory victory makes me feel sick
 
well i just went and voted for the ni westminster + council for the first time, how underwelming. Saw a big bus full of police as well whilst i was out.
 

Santo

Junior Member
Nash said:
Vote Labour? Er, no thanks!

We elected a lawyer to be Prime Minister, looking back we should have known what to expect. Blair could find a way of arguing the sky is green.

And just as the Tories damaged the public's view of government with sleaze, so Labour have damaged it with spin. New Labour stands for everything and nothing, and the Tories are no better (and their current leader is also a lawyer).

We need a big shake-up of politics and politicians in the UK, starting with a reform of the electoral system. Which I believe was Labour party policy until they actually won and Blair decided he likes huge majorities.

So Lib Dems for me, I don't agree with everything they stand for but they are the only party who seems remotely honest, and one that doesn't seem like a huge corporate marketing/branding exercise. Also if I see one more stage managed Labour/Tory rally, with Blair/Howard standing infront of grinning hand-picked muppets who applaud on queue I will scream!

Politics? It's all bollocks.


Umm correct me if I'm wrong, as I do not live in Britain. But the people don't elect the prime minister, the majority party politicans do. So either you get labour to put their top guy in there or you get the conservatives to put their top guy in there (who by the way is a complete and utter joke). Blair may be on the wrong side of the road with the war and a few other international relations but he has done some great things for England since he got there in 97.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Santo said:
Umm correct me if I'm wrong, as I do not live in Britain. But the people don't elect the prime minister, the majority party politicans do. So either you get labour to put their top guy in there or you get the conservatives to put their top guy in there (who by the way is a complete and utter joke). Blair may be on the wrong side of the road with the war and a few other international relations but he has done some great things for England since he got there in 97.

Technically you are voting for the party not the leader, but of course when people come to place their vote the leader of that party plays a big part of who they are going to vote for. Especially when someone like Blair has behaved in a *very* presidential manner in recent years, with a huge majority, and ignored members of his party, his cabinet, his armed forces, his legal advisors and of course a large proportion of the general public.

It goes deeper than the war, it's about trust and respect for politicians. Both the 2 main parties are discredited in that respect, have almost the same policies and just seem very out of touch with the general public. And because our electoral system is designed for a 2 horse race people feel more disillusioned with politics than ever.
 

cja

Member
Nice to see someone enthused by the election, I don't have time to challenge all fifty of the Labour "achievements" radiohead has posted, but I'll take a dig at some.

radioheadrule83 said:
HAS LABOUR LIVED UP TO THOSE AIMS AND VALUES?

Labour's Top 50 achievements:


5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent
By changing the way statistics are collated and yet violent crime is still up!

6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
Simple when you make the tests easier all the time.

9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
Since millions have been put on "incapacity benefit" instead.

13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
Meaningless populism.

14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
Yes, that building is well worth the $800m+ it cost for yet another layer of bureaucracy.

16. Banned anti-personnel mines
Hurrah! British troops can now get slaughtered rather than defending a position now.

19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms
Woo, more red tape and local empire building.

23. Restored city-wide government to London
We need more Jew hating communists in power, yep.

24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
Inflation adjusted, that is?

27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
44. Free TV licences for over-75s
Attention seeking gimmicks for the most elderly while Brown sticks £6bn, per annum, of taxes onto pension funds. The most evil of numerous stealth taxes since many won't notice for another 30-40 years that they're paupers in retirement thanks to this Labour government.

28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways
And we sure can tell with the ticket prices for this nostalgic and economically unviable mode of transport.

31. Implemented the Freedom of Information Act
Pity it didn't implement much freedom to view information.

42. Implemented the Criminals Rights Act
fixed.

I'd like to see a Labour majority of 80 seats so there are some checks and balance to Blair & Brown power. It looks unlikely though, as a couple of responses in this thread have shown the hatred for the Conservatives (who I voted for btw) from the Labour heartlands means Blair will be in no.10 tomorrow with a fat majority.
 
Labour 37% (down 5%) 356 seats (down 60)
Tory 33% (no change) 209 seats (up 44)
Lib Dem 23% (up 3%) 53 seats (up 2)

If this turns out to be roughly correct, it's annoying to see tories picking up nearly 50 seats based on basically no change in overall votes. While lib dems up 3% but only get 2 more seats.

Of course it may tourn out to be completely different, but whatever, the system needs changing!
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
djtiesto said:
I'm American and don't know very much about UK politics, but I took the "who should you vote for?" survey and ended up with "Liberal Democrat". Their thoughts seem to add up to my philosophy, though I don't mind Tony Blair much (aside from being Bush's lapdog). BTW I voted for Kerry.

Everyone gets that result. If only the buggers would actually vote for them, the world (or this part of it, at least) would be a much better place.
 
iapetus said:
Everyone gets that result. If only the buggers would actually vote for them, the world (or this part of it, at least) would be a much better place.

I ended up as an extreme Conservative/UKIP... clearly a deranged maniac!
 
First result in, sunderland south to labour. but reduced majority:

labour 5% down
tory 2% up
lib dem 3% up

If the majority drops below 50 (very possible), blair will have real trouble hanging on
 
Folder said:
Of course it is.
New Labour took us to war to line the pockets of America's elite.
Fuck them and fuck Blair.
well fucking blair will end up letting Howard in. who would have done the same thing.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
The best result I think would be a hung parliament, which would give far more influence to the Lib Dems and therefore increase the chances of electoral reform.

We need to break out of this Labour/Conservative 2-way thing. It just doesn't work anymore. The Conservatives were a particularly useless opposition over the war, and democracy doesn't work unless you have a decent opposition.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Second result in, another safe Labour seat and they held it but their vote was down a lot:

Labour -9%
Tories +2%
Lib Dems +3%

Seems like Blair is going to be getting a bit of a kicking tonight.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
The 3rd result was very good for the Lib Dems who jumped into second place:

Labour -9%
Lib Dems +6%
Tories +1%
 
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