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[Iolo]

Did this recent batch of Dugin fanwank get posted?

I think Russian ultra-nationalism is my favourite kind.

Does this guy also post on GameFAQs?

 

[jakonovski]

Some sad news for population in Crimea. Aksenov says, that every Ukrainian documents is lost their power in Crimea. It's include all papers on real estate, cars, etc. So without Russian passport you lost your house. And I don't know how to act in this situation.

This is just madness. Is there a risk this will be used as a tool of revenge against people who aren't perceived as pro-Russian enough?

 

[Kurtofan]

Did this recent batch of Dugin fanwank get posted?



I think Russian ultra-nationalism is my favourite kind.

Blargh, only Russian ultra-nationalism/conservatism can make me like neo-liberalism/capitalism.The world is fucked.

I want to bail out to the Anglosphere so hard if a tenth of this bullshit comes true.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Blargh, only Russian ultra-nationalism/conservatism can make me like neo-liberalism/capitalism.The world is fucked.

I want to bail out to the Anglosphere so hard if a tenth of this bullshit comes true.

We'll welcome you with gay nazi-themed gay bondage homo drug parties, beloved anti-Eurasian fifth-columnist.

 

[Piecake]

We'll welcome you with gay nazi-themed gay bondage homo drug parties, beloved anti-Eurasian fifth-columnist.

Be careful, Rohm was knifed to death for doing just that

 

[will27]

Thanks for posting this link, it was an absolutely fantastic read.

Snyder is one of the top modern experts on Eastern Europe. If you liked that article you should check out his book on Europe between Hitler and Stalin - Bloodlands. Perhaps one of the best books ever written on human suffering.

 

[Kurtofan]

We'll welcome you with gay nazi-themed gay bondage homo drug parties, beloved anti-Eurasian fifth-columnist.

I'll bring croissants

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I apologize for my ignorance.

Has history shown that economic sanctions have ever worked as a deterrent or done anything but escalate tension and cause the affected nation to ramp up their aggression?

 

[slit]

This is just madness. Is there a risk this will be used as a tool of revenge against people who aren't perceived as pro-Russian enough?

It's typical in these situations, It's just you never hear about it much anymore because a world power vagrantly annexing a large part of another outright hasn't happened in quite a while. Property seizure has been done since antiquity.

 

[speculawyer]

I apologize for my ignorance.

Has history shown that economic sanctions have ever worked as a deterrent or done anything but escalate tension and cause the affected nation to ramp up their aggression?

They have generally not worked. But they do work sometimes. For example, I think most people would agree that Iran has come to the bargaining table due to sanctions. Libya, also opened up in order to expand their oil exports.

And even when they don't work, they can act has a deterrent for others and to the target of doing additional bad things.

 

[freakzilla149]

The US had Moscow surrounded? How do you think the world works? China, Eastern Europe, and Western Asia are US pawns or something?

Yes, the US has had Moscow surrounded for a long time. Eastern Europe is not theirs, the only ally they have the is the weak puppet state of Belarus, all others are aligned with the EU, look at Poland and the Baltic states' strong reaction to recent events.

To the East Japan and South Korea are strong US allies.

Just because China isn't kissing US ass makes them Russian allies? What makes you think China would indulge Putin? In Western Asia they have the mighty Kazakhstan on their side.

 

[Dead Man]

Yes, the US has had Moscow surrounded for a long time. Eastern Europe is not theirs, the only ally they have the is the weak puppet state of Belarus, all others are aligned with the EU, look at Poland and the Baltic states' strong reaction to recent events.

To the East Japan and South Korea are strong US allies.

Just because China isn't kissing US ass makes them Russian allies? What makes you think China would indulge Putin? In Western Asia they have the mighty Kazakhstan on their side.

I never said China was Russia's ally, but that they were not the US's pawn. Stop to think before you post, yeah?

 

[Zen]

He never said that these countries were US pawns, you were the one that put those words in his mouth. He was not even the person who originally made the post you took issue with. I guarantee you that Putin views those military bases in the same vein that they are talked about in the posts that you are taking issue with.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Damn , Japan never ceases to amaze, with all the 2ch crush on the crimean general attorney

 

[alstein]

hopefully the big european federations boycott / split and it hastens the death of FIFA.

World Cup Boycott would be the ultimate sanction.

As for economic sanction, they increase unrest with the goal of regime change. It's possible in Russia- just need enough oligarchs miffed.

 

[robertsan21]

Can someone here explain the ukrainian conflict? Like the basic facts?


It is very hard to keep updated on this after I stopped following it in the news two weeks ago. Today I read a couple of status updates in Facebook from various "friends" one in particular was really conspiracy driven, but there seem to be so many different views on this subject. Some say that Russia is to blame and had no right to enter the country, while other say its the ukrainians who are the neo nazi types that started it all.

Someone please explain this mess for the guys who just started following this crisis.

 

[antonz]

Can someone here explain the ukrainian conflict? Like the basic facts?


It is very hard to keep updated on this after I stopped following it in the news two weeks ago. Today I read a couple of status updates in Facebook from various "friends" one in particular was really conspiracy driven, but there seem to be so many different views on this subject. Some say that Russia is to blame and had no right to enter the country, while other say its the ukrainians who are the neo nazi types that started it all.

Someone please explain this mess for the guys who just started following this crisis.

Ukraine and EU were working towards an Associate Agreement which would basically begin the path to EU membership down the line Then as the date to sign the treaty approached in November suddenly Russia offered Ukraine 15 billion and some discounts on gas etc to basically side with Russia. Yanukovych the President who was always Pro-Russia then backed out of signing the treaty with EU citing the Russian Offer even though the majority of the voting population was in favor of the EU treaty. The flagrant disregard for the will of the people led people to start protesting.

Protests got bigger and things like Police Brutality etc began and then things got more and more hostile until Protesters were gunned down as well as police beaten and killed.

A proposal was made to try and calm everything down the February 21st Accord but Russia rejected it. The accord would have stripped Yanukovych of all the powers he had siezed and return the constitution to its prior status before he rigged it.Things continued to escalate and then Yanukovych fled to Russia and at that point the Ukrainian Parliament declared that due to his fleeing he country he was no longer able to fulfill the duties as outlined for the President and he was removed from power with a Temporary President put in place until elections in May.

It was then Russia began claiming Jews,Muslims and Ethnic Russians were being attacked and facing constant violence in Crimea. There never was any proof of this and in fact the only Muslim who has died since this all started was an Anti-Russian Activist who ended up being tortured and beaten to death by Russian Military. During all of this Jewish Leaders,Muslim Leaders etc have all stated there have been no cases of violence against them until the Russian troops arrived.

Russia Moves in its forces to "protect" the people in Crimea and one of the first things they do is storm the Crimea Parliament which is run by a Pro-Russian political ally of Yanukovych and throw them out of power and puts in a puppet who in the last election only received 4% of the vote and has notorious ties to organized crime earning himself the nickname the goblin.

While this is all happening Russian instigators are flooding over the borders now pretending to be Ukrainians etc. We have documented proof of these actors too. They go from city to city spreading tales of fleeing the evil nazis etc yet each time they are pretending to be someone else.Putin created a fake enemy that never posed a threat to anyone to invade and take Crimea. There is an interview with a Russian woman on why she is suddenly so in favor of Russia and she starts talking about how she saw a video on russian tv where Ukrainians are ordering anyone who speaks russian to be shot on sight etc.

an official timeline too though will be considered western propaganda by some people
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26248275

 

[robertsan21]

Ukraine and EU were working towards an Associate Agreement which would basically begin the path to EU membership down the line Then as the date to sign the treaty approached in November suddenly Russia offered Ukraine 15 billion and some discounts on gas etc to basically side with Russia. Yanukovych the President who was always Pro-Russia then backed out of signing the treaty with EU citing the Russian Offer even though the majority of the voting population was in favor of the EU treaty. The flagrant disregard for the will of the people led people to start protesting.

Protests got bigger and things like Police Brutality etc began and then things got more and more hostile until Protesters were gunned down as well as police beaten and killed.

A proposal was made to try and calm everything down the February 21st Accord but Russia rejected it. The accord would have stripped Yanukovych of all the powers he had siezed and return the constitution to its prior status before he rigged it.Things continued to escalate and then Yanukovych fled to Russia and at that point the Ukrainian Parliament declared that due to his fleeing he country he was no longer able to fulfill the duties as outlined for the President and he was removed from power with a Temporary President put in place until elections in May.

It was then Russia began claiming Jews,Muslims and Ethnic Russians were being attacked and facing constant violence in Crimea. There never was any proof of this and in fact the only Muslim who has died since this all started was an Anti-Russian Activist who ended up being tortured and beaten to death by Russian Military. During all of this Jewish Leaders,Muslim Leaders etc have all stated there have been no cases of violence against them until the Russian troops arrived.

Russia Moves in its forces to "protect" the people in Crimea and one of the first things they do is storm the Crimea Parliament which is run by a Pro-Russian political ally of Yanukovych and throw them out of power and puts in a puppet who in the last election only received 4% of the vote and has notorious ties to organized crime earning himself the nickname the goblin.

While this is all happening Russian instigators are flooding over the borders now pretending to be Ukrainians etc. We have documented proof of these actors too. They go from city to city spreading tales of fleeing the evil nazis etc yet each time they are pretending to be someone else.Putin created a fake enemy that never posed a threat to anyone to invade and take Crimea. There is an interview with a Russian woman on why she is suddenly so in favor of Russia and she starts talking about how she saw a video on russian tv where Ukrainians are ordering anyone who speaks russian to be shot on sight etc.

an official timeline too though will be considered western propaganda by some people
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26248275

Thank you!

to me it is straight forward, russia are the ones doing the wrong here, not letting the ukrainians do what they like and got EU if thats what they wanted.

I just cant for the life of me understand why anyone would side with russia over this, how can they not see that they are the ones doing wrong?

I also heard that the Ukrainians have neo nazis running around doing stuff for the state, is that true? and what is done about it from the EU?

 

[antonz]

Thank you!

to me it is straight forward, russia are the ones doing the wrong here, not letting the ukrainians do what they like and got EU if thats what they wanted.

I just cant for the life of me understand why anyone would side with russia over this, how can they not see that they are the ones doing wrong?

I also heard that the Ukrainians have neo nazis running around doing stuff for the state, is that true? and what is done about it from the EU?

There are some strong Nationalist elements in some political parties and some parties do have a shadier past but in recent years have professed to have changed. Unfortunately there has been some aggressive behavior in recent days like forcing a news stations Director to resign because he aired Putins crimean speech etc but the stories of nazi thugs running around causing terror is very much a myth.

The claims of all the nazi violence were challenged by the EU and the EU wanted to send in monitors to confirm all this violence Russia is claiming but Russia vetos the monitors every vote so monitors aren't sent.

Here is a great youtube channel by Vice News. this link focuses solely on Ukraine. These guys are on the ground right there in Ukraine and Crimea.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B

 

[ЯAW]

Thank you!

to me it is straight forward, russia are the ones doing the wrong here, not letting the ukrainians do what they like and got EU if thats what they wanted.

I just cant for the life of me understand why anyone would side with russia over this, how can they not see that they are the ones doing wrong?

I also heard that the Ukrainians have neo nazis running around doing stuff for the state, is that true? and what is done about it from the EU?

EU can't do much. Svoboda party has it's extreme fringe elements but it has been part of Ukrain's political landscape for some time now.

edit. I think the neo nazis roaming the streets is a myth at this point. There might be some isolated incidents during the chaotic situation of Ukrain right now.

 

[a Master Ninja]

Can someone here explain the ukrainian conflict? Like the basic facts?

As someone who doesn't know jack shit about Ukraine, I found this short video helpful:
Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context
Just don't read the comments section.

 

[XT Vengeance]

There are some strong Nationalist elements in some political parties and some parties do have a shadier past but in recent years have professed to have changed. Unfortunately there has been some aggressive behavior in recent days like forcing a news stations Director to resign because he aired Putins crimean speech etc but the stories of nazi thugs running around causing terror is very much a myth.

The claims of all the nazi violence were challenged by the EU and the EU wanted to send in monitors to confirm all this violence Russia is claiming but Russia vetos the monitors every vote so monitors aren't sent.

Here is a great youtube channel by Vice News. this link focuses solely on Ukraine. These guys are on the ground right there in Ukraine and Crimea.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B

This kinda begs the question as to why Russia is still allowed to have a veto. Especially when they do shit like this.

 

[antonz]

This kinda begs the question as to why Russia is still allowed to have a veto. Especially when they do shit like this.

Russia is vetoing a OSCE monitoring Mission since Russia is a member of the OSCE. Russia having the veto is more or less the only way to get them to agree to join these groups. However it was announced today that Poland and Sweden are organizing an EU Monitoring mission which Russia would have no say over

Edit: Apparently in last few hours Russia dropped its opposition to OSCE monitors and OSCE is sending people in the next few hours. Russia refuses access to Crimea though.

 

[goomba]

As someone who doesn't know jack shit about Ukraine, I found this short video helpful:
Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context
Just don't read the comments section.

For some balance, check this one out too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

 

[antonz]

For some balance, check this one out too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

Within the first minute of that video is false information that has been verified as false by The Doctor in question who has repeatedly stated they made no such claims and never even had access to the bodies to be able to make such a comparison

 

[MisterFalcon]

Within the first minute of that video is false information that has been verified as false by The Doctor in question who has repeatedly stated they made no such claims and never even had access to the bodies to be able to make such a comparison

The vice Prime Minister of Ukraine is also not a Svoboda guy, there are several people with such a title but only the non-Svoboda First Vice Prime Minister is the guy who is his replacement.

 

[a Master Ninja]

For some balance, check this one out too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

StormCloudsGathering? Are you fucking serious?

 

[antonz]

Raids on former Ukraine Officials Houses during legal investigations proved fruitful

Christopher Miller ‏@ChristopherJM
42 kilos of gold, $4.8m in cash uncovered during raid on ex-energy minister's residence

To put in context, ex-Energy Minister Stavitsky's tax declaration in 2013 was supposedly just $15k.

At ex-Minister of Agriculture Prysiazhniuk's, found $286K & Hr 659K cash

 

[Psychotext]

Raids on former Ukraine Officials Houses during legal investigations proved fruitful

Wow.

 

[wsippel]

Thank you!

to me it is straight forward, russia are the ones doing the wrong here, not letting the ukrainians do what they like and got EU if thats what they wanted.

I just cant for the life of me understand why anyone would side with russia over this, how can they not see that they are the ones doing wrong?

I also heard that the Ukrainians have neo nazis running around doing stuff for the state, is that true? and what is done about it from the EU?

The whole "neo nazi" thing seems like a chimera to me. It's just a word without any meaning at this point, synonymous with the equally misused term "fascist". I mean, look at all those flag waving Russians demonizing the western world, then read the Wiki entry:

Fascism /fæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism. [...] One common definition of fascism focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism; nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.

Notice something? Russia looks more fascist than the Ukrainian nationalists here. The last point in particular describes Putin perfectly.

I wouldn't think too much about the term "anti-communist", by the way. There has never been a truly "communist" country, ever. Pretty much all self-proclaimed communist countries are, in fact, fascist.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Anyone noticed how France and Italy haven't said much on the situation if at all?

Well...isn't that interesting.

 

[Kurtofan]

Pretty sure the French government denounced Putin's actions clearly.

 

[Simplet]

For the life of me I really have trouble understanding why Russia's "fifty cents army" would bother flooding a video game forum, but it's really hard to explain otherwise the tendency by some posters to give links to (really crude) propaganda every now and then , and then go into hiding as soon as they're called on it, only to start again after a few pages.

edit : I'm pretty sure France has been on the forefront here since the beginning, weren't we the first to pull out from the G8 preparations? Or one of the firsts. Italy usually doesn't have as much sway in these matters as the big 3.

 

[Guileless]

StormCloudsGathering? Are you fucking serious?

Who cares about Ukraine, Hussein Obama is about to use drones to round us up into FEMA camps!!

 

[Enkidu]

Anyone noticed how France and Italy haven't said much on the situation if at all?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/140319063743-lending-russia-620xa.jpg

Well...isn't that interesting.

The FT did a overview of the larger European countries in this matter if you are interested.

France

France, prominent advocate of military action against Syria and of a tough stance to halt Iran’s nuclear weapon programme, has adopted a more considered tone towards sanctions against Russia over Ukraine. “We have to be firm but at the same time find the way to dialogue and not escalation,” said Laurent Fabius, foreign minister, on Monday.

A concern in Paris is to retain functional relations with Moscow precisely because of its influence over the Syrian and Iranian regimes. But France’s economic and military links to Russia are also a big factor.

Most prominent is a €1.2bn contract to build two Mistral-class helicopter assault ships for the Russian navy. Embarrassingly, one is to be called the Sevastopol after Russia’s Crimean naval base.

Paris does not want to have to cancel the contract, which underpins hundreds of jobs in France’s shipbuilding sector. More Russian defence orders represent a tempting target at a time of declining western military budgets.

But events in Ukraine have highlighted the pitfalls, with the US and eastern European countries disquieted by such sales of top-drawer military assets. In February, France and Russia held a bilateral military forum at which Dimitri Rogozin, Russia’s deputy prime minister now subject to US sanctions, said relations were moving from technical exchanges to “technological military co-operation, which is much more important”.

On trade, France also has a good deal at stake. It is the largest EU exporter to Russia after Germany and Italy and the biggest foreign investor in the Russian financial sector, mainly through the ownership by Société Générale, the French bank, of Rosbank. Auchan, the retailer, is the biggest foreign employer in Russia, carmaker Renault has a tie-up with Avtovaz and other investors include Total, the oil major, Alstom, the engineer, Danone, the dairy products group, and Axa, the insurer.

Germany

Last week, Angela Merkel, German chancellor, made the toughest Ukraine crisis speech of any western leader, condemning Vladimir Putin for resorting to “the law of the jungle”.

Yet, how far Berlin will go in backing tough talk with tough action remains to be seen. As Philipp Missfelder, a member of the ruling CDU party and head of the Bundestag foreign affairs committee, said this week: “With sanctions we must take care that we do not cut into our own flesh.”

Industry lobbies estimate that 300,000 German jobs at 6,000 companies are dependent on trade with Russia. Exports to Russia totalled €36bn last year, with machinery, vehicles and vehicle parts together accounting for 40 per cent. Imports from Russia of €40bn are dominated by gas and oil (83 per cent).

It is only in energy that Russia is critical, supplying 38 per cent of Germany’s overall imports. For German exporters, Russia ranks as only the 11th biggest market. However, that is still large enough to cause great pain for those companies that have backed Russia – for example Metro, the retailer, which had 9 per cent of its sales in Russia in 2012.

Eckhard Cordes, chairman of the eastern committee of the BDI, the Germany industry organisation, and a former head of Metro, said at the weekend: “The connections between the EU and Russia are so great, that both sides are threatened with serious damage.”

The public gets the message: in a Bild newspaper poll published on Sunday, only one in five of the people surveyed backed tough sanctions.

UK

William Hague, UK foreign secretary, pledged on Tuesday to fight for the strongest and widest sanctions against Russia. Specifically, Mr Hague floated the possibility of permanently excluding Russia from the G8. British officials suggested such measures could be taken immediately, using the Crimea annexation as the trigger.

But behind Mr Hague’s tough words lies a more complex reality: Britain is feeling caught between its hawkish allies in Washington and eastern Europe and the more cautious instincts of Germany and other western European partners.

Adding to the complication is the City of London and its role as a magnet for Russian money. An internal British memo surfaced last week saying that to “protect London as a financial centre” ministers would not support trade sanctions. Seizing on the document, France suggested it would give up a controversial Russian military contract – just as soon as London cracked down on the oligarchs.

An embarrassed British government has since sought to distance itself from the memo, which might account for Mr Hague’s strong rhetoric. But a question heading into the summit is where the UK will land in the sanctions debate between Berlin and Warsaw.

Poland

As one of Ukraine’s staunchest backers, Warsaw has championed forceful sanctions. But Poland’s dependence on imports of oil and gas from Russia make it more vulnerable than most EU countries to retaliation.

Poland imports about 97 per cent of its crude oil from Russia via the Druzhba pipeline and about two-thirds of its natural gas also comes from Russia through the east-west Yamal pipeline.

“We do good business with the east,” Donald Tusk, Poland’s prime minister, said in a radio interview this week. “We have to find solutions that do not ruin the European and Polish economies.”

Poland’s imports from Russia are dominated by oil and gas but in recent years Polish companies have increased their sales to Russia. Total trade between the two came to $36bn last year, with imports of $10.8bn, a 9 per cent increase over 2012.

Warsaw is still determined to impose sanctions despite the danger that a trade war poses to the Polish economy. Poland spent most of the past three centuries under Moscow’s rule and remains wary of Russia’s imperial ambitions. “Our absolute priority is to protect the Ukrainian state from an ultimate collapse and absorption by Russia,” Mr Tusk said.

Netherlands

The Netherlands’ €38bn in bilateral trade with Russia – making it Moscow’s second-largest EU business partner after Germany – would seem to explain its resistance to taking a hardline stance against the Kremlin’s incursion into Crimea.

The Dutch government was resistant even to last month’s push to freeze the assets of deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich and his inner circle. It also stood out last week, according to European diplomats, as one of the only governments to suggest the bloc delay signing until after May’s Ukrainian election any part of an EU integration deal with Kiev.

But Ruud Wassen, an analyst at global consultancy Teneo Intelligence, said Dutch reticence had less to do with trade ties – which tend to be overstated because of the port of Rotterdam’s role as a gateway to Europe – and more to do with their strong belief in free trade more generally.

“The Dutch fear that if the EU takes a very tough position now on sanctions it won’t have any more leverage later on if things go the wrong way,” said Mr Wassen.

Stripping out statistical anomalies, Dutch officials put their annual exports to Russia at €8bn, and most of that is in goods such as flowers, meat, dairy and heavy machinery – products officials say can be easily diverted to other emerging markets.

As such, one Dutch official argues that Moscow may have more to lose from any trade disruption. “You can’t just move a pipeline,” the official said.

Italy

Heavily dependent on imports of Russian gas and with many large companies investing in Russia, Italy is understandably cautious about expanding sanctions beyond symbolic pinpricks against individuals.

But at the end of the day, Italy’s foreign policy will be driven by the US, its most important diplomatic ally, as was seen in Rome’s backing of intervention in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. “We never faltered on sanctions and we have been in line with the majority of our partners. We favour the diplomatic solution, putting a balanced pressure,” the foreign ministry said.

Italy relied on Russian imports for 32 per cent of its total gas consumption in 2013, an increase from 24 per cent in 2012 as Gazprom made up for shortfalls from Algeria and Libya.

“We cannot afford by any change to stop Russian imports. North Africa has its own problems, especially Libya,” commented Davide Tabarelli, head of the Nomisma Energia think-tank.

Eni, Italy’s state-controlled oil and gas group, is a big backer of Gazprom’s South Stream pipeline, which aims to bring Russian gas across the Black Sea to Bulgaria and then on to Italy. Last week, Saipem, which is 43 per cent-owned by Eni, signed a €2bn contract to lay the first section of pipeline for the project.

Eni is but one of 400 Italian companies understandably worried about investments totalling €6bn in Russia, including steelmaking, engineering, banking, insurance, household appliances, ceramics, cars and power plants. State-controlled Finmeccanica has joint ventures building civilian aircraft and the helicopters used by senior Russian officials, including Vladimir Putin.

 

[Nivash]

For the life of me I really have trouble understanding why Russia's "fifty cents army" would bother flooding a video game forum, but it's really hard to explain otherwise the tendency by some posters to give links to (really crude) propaganda every now and then , and then go into hiding as soon as they're called on it, only to start again after a few pages.

edit : I'm pretty sure France has been on the forefront here since the beginning, weren't we the first to pull out from the G8 preparations? Or one of the firsts. Italy usually doesn't have as much sway in these matters as the big 3.

France has also stated that they are putting all military excersises with Russia on hold and have sent fighters to the eastern European NATO members. Additionally, France has also threatened to cancel the delivery of the Mistral class amphibious assault ships Russia has ordered if the situation escalates further.

 

[Tenrius]

From Ukrainian side, all papers still in power. But from Russian, they doesn't. As Crimea is under Russia occupation, with their militia and those armed pro-russian mobs, Russia has more power, than Ukraine. So Ukrainian papers/rights/etc can't be can not be maintained.
To maintain rights after real estate, you must execute documents under Russian rights. But you can do so only with Russian passport. And some little trick from Russia. As people got their Russian passport already, they find out, that Crimea is 92 region now, not Autonomous Crimea. It's can be error, or Russia want assimilate Crimea more.

So, what are you planning to do? Evacuate to mainland Ukraine? Accept Russian citizenship? Reject Russian citizenship, stay put and hope the situation gets better? I'm just curious, must be a really confusing time for you. Best of luck, dude.

 

[Psychotext]

BBC: Ukrainian military bases targeted in Crimea

Pro-Russian protesters have stormed a Ukrainian naval base in western Crimea.

Several hundred unarmed protesters attacked the base at Novofedorivka, which is now under almost complete control of Russian forces.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian troops surrounded by Russian forces have been ordered to battle stations at Belbek airbase.

Russian forces, including snipers and armoured personnel carriers, have advanced and an ultimatum to surrender has just expired.

The Belbek base commander told the few dozen troops still there to shoot in the air if they were attacked.

He said he had been waiting for days for orders from Kiev but told the BBC still none had been issued.

Ukraine's military chiefs deny this, saying each unit in Crimea has been issued with clear orders on what to do if attacked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26698754

 

[Midnight Phoenix]

So, what are you planning to do? Evacuate to mainland Ukraine? Accept Russian citizenship? Reject Russian citizenship, stay put and hope the situation gets better? I'm just curious, must be a really confusing time for you. Best of luck, dude.

That for now. I am raising my qualification to try find work in Canada. If everything will got worse, will find work in Kiev. People in Crimea doesn't understand, what waiting them. Russia has law, that they can pick lands from people and resettle them with compensation, whenever Russian government wants. They do that in Sochi, and Putin already says, that next Olympic games will be in Crimea. Crimea will be cleared from locals, that has work from tourists and replaced with Russian oligarchs.

 

[alstein]

Crimea and Russia itself- it will be a long time they'll get to host anything after 2018.

Russia is going to be an international pariah for at least a decade due to this, maybe longer if they keep doing stuff.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Crimea and Russia itself- it will be a long time they'll get to host anything after 2018.

Russia is going to be an international pariah for at least a decade due to this, maybe longer if they keep doing stuff.

What? US and NATO coaliations waged deadly wars for 10 years, did that stop them for applying for international events?

 

[Loxley]

What? US and NATO coaliations waged deadly wars for 10 years, did that stop them for applying for international events?

I think the difference there is the number of economic and political allies the US has compared to Russia. I would hardly ever call the US "isolated" at any point over the last decade, whereas that word has been thrown around to describe Russia by many political officials over the last few weeks.

 

[Tripon]

What? US and NATO coaliations waged deadly wars for 10 years, did that stop them for applying for international events?

And the last time the U.S. actually hosted an Olympic, FIFA, or international event is....?

 

[Jhriad]

And the last time the U.S. actually hosted an Olympic, FIFA, or international event is....?

2002 Salt Lake City.

Not that long ago as far as the Olympics go

 

[Tripon]

2002 Salt Lake City.

Not that long ago as far as the Olympics go

Over a decade ago. U.S. hasn't hosted a summer Olympics since Alanta in 96, and a Men's World Cup since 94, and a Woman's World Cup since 2003.

If we're just looking at hosting international events, the U.S. has paid its price. As for NATO members not being awarded games, hah. The selection committee for both the IOC and FIFA are dominated by Europe. They're not going to penalize their own.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I think the difference there is the number of economic and political allies the US has compared to Russia. I would hardly ever call the US "isolated" at any point over the last decade, whereas that word has been thrown around to describe Russia by many political officials over the last few weeks.

You mean "isolated" from the West? It's clear that the rest of BRICS either do not want to get involved (Brazil) or they're explicitly supporting Russia's position (India). So, how are they isolated? Also, that word usually involves economic connotation. It's clear that no one will implement meaningful sanctions towards Russia.

 

[speculawyer]

That for now. I am raising my qualification to try find work in Canada. If everything will got worse, will find work in Kiev. People in Crimea doesn't understand, what waiting them. Russia has law, that they can pick lands from people and resettle them with compensation, whenever Russian government wants. They do that in Sochi, and Putin already says, that next Olympic games will be in Crimea. Crimea will be cleared from locals, that has work from tourists and replaced with Russian oligarchs.

So where are they planning to hold the World Cup? Perhaps they'll use that to do some ethnic cleansing?

FIFA don't care. Hell, they didn't seem to care about slavery.

 

[Tzeentch]

Russia is going to be an international pariah for at least a decade due to this, maybe longer if they keep doing stuff.

-- That's some seriously wishful thinking.

 

[CrunchyB]

Raids on former Ukraine Officials Houses during legal investigations proved fruitful

And that's only the stuff they left behind.

For some balance, check this one out too

No, it's mindless drivel.

For the life of me I really have trouble understanding why Russia's "fifty cents army" would bother flooding a video game forum, but it's really hard to explain otherwise the tendency by some posters to give links to (really crude) propaganda every now and then , and then go into hiding as soon as they're called on it, only to start again after a few pages.

Russian propaganda creates alternative realities. It works and is more effective than you'd think. Earlier today I read an interview with a Crimean student. Her own mother called her a fascist for supporting the Ukrainian government over Russia. It's bizarre to us, but it's real to some people.

-- That's some seriously wishful thinking.

You'd be an idiot to invest into Russia right now.

 

[Enkidu]

Russian propaganda creates alternative realities. It works and is more effective than you'd think. Earlier today I read an interview with a Crimean student. Her own mother called her a fascist for supporting the Ukrainian government over Russia. It's bizarre to us, but it's real to some people.

If there's one thing I've learned these last few weeks it's that fascist means something quite different to Russians than it does in the West. It seems like pretty much anyone opposing Russia can be labeled a fascist (same way communist or socialist is thrown around far too often in the US) and based on that definition it's pretty easy to see how every protester and anyone supporting the new goverment can be considered a fascist.