chemicals
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THIS. I truly can't believe how bad this gen is. Truly can't believe it.
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Ultra Street Fighter IV on PS4 is much, much better now. Bless.
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THIS. I truly can't believe how bad this gen is. Truly can't believe it.
RedAssedApe
Banned
i kind of want to buy it to see how much of a train wreck it is...
skLaFarebear
Member
Its not as world ending as some people make it sound, but its definitely messy.
Rice-Eater
Member
I bought it ASAP so I was doomed from the start. I hope they fix it but seeing as how I've bought just about every other version of this game I think I probably would have still gotten this just for the sake of having it. But I really do hope they fix it if they can. If not then CPT needs to remain on 360.
If you take sf4 seriously and compete, then it is world ending. You can't run a touney with random sticks bringing up random laggy inputs in a setting where money and time is on the line. You can't let these glitches and whatever the hell else this shit show is capable of even attempt to ruin things with the money that's at stake.
For the tourney scene, this is absolutely unplayable.
skLaFarebear
Member
I wasn't speaking from the perspective of the tourney scene, but sure.
Of course this is unacceptable for the big tourney scene, most versions of the game are anyway, but this one especially.
I think the best description of the port would be brazenly incompetent.
This is a very non-demanding game technically, easily maxed out on old hardware, and the devs can't even get the UI to run full speed and have the nerve to release it that state as if no one would notice. and that's only for starters. On top of that Sony had the nerve to tout the reduced lag and champion this as the ultimate version on any platform version while Capcom mandates it to be the tournament standard.
It's really ludicrous. I haven't been this irked by a game release in quite some time (I even bought the PC version at launch), and I typically give developers the benefit of the doubt.
This is a very non-demanding game technically, easily maxed out on old hardware, and the devs can't even get the UI to run full speed and have the nerve to release it that state as if no one would notice. and that's only for starters. On top of that Sony had the nerve to tout the reduced lag and champion this as the ultimate version on any platform version while Capcom mandates it to be the tournament standard.
It's really ludicrous. I haven't been this irked by a game release in quite some time (I even bought the PC version at launch), and I typically give developers the benefit of the doubt.
Oh man, Honda is my alternate character. I can't believe they would release the game like this.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Exactly.
To reframe it for those that don't get it. I want to port LOL to the PS4, but I'm going to overlook a few things that random heroes can do or whatever... Maybe shrink a lane or two. (Not by making it smaller, just changing the hitbox) Should be perfectly fine for a definitive competitive edition of the game that will be hosted by all eSports events... right?
Let me try, wasnt the display lag test tested with a ps3 stick? Should of used Dualshock 4.
RedAssedApe
Banned
have there been direct comparisons from any stick heads who have both a ps4 stick and ps3 one that requires the special drivers?
AkelisRain
Member
I don't get any lag on my ps3 stick.
jtravolta69
Neo Member
Speaking as a Newfoundlander, this is some definite newfie tier porting.
SpiceMelange
Member
Correction: you don't feel any lag.
Stranger In The Alps
Member
Speaking as a fellow Newfoundlander, I agree with this statement.
Maybe it's the stick I just recently purchased? It felt completely normal on PC with no issues. Maybe the PS3 driver hates qanba?
jtravolta69
Neo Member
Speaking as a fellow Newfoundlander, we don't meet strangers in the alps, we saw what happened larry.
ahahahaha
AkelisRain
Member
I am using a ps360+ pcb. It feels pretty good imo.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Sp00ky on if this will be fixed before EVO: "Hell no. Hell NO."
With Capcom's record of patching previous releases of Ultra, I don't have any doubt he'll be right.
With Capcom's record of patching previous releases of Ultra, I don't have any doubt he'll be right.
So really what is with this generation and all the technical problems? I thought moving to an x86 architecture was going to make things easier for devs? Is it possible the more complex archtitecture of the PS3 and 360 while harder to wrap your head around forced devs to actually take their time in the development process?
It only took IGN, about a day to acknowledge the port is mishandled.
[they go on to mention everything that has already been discovered]
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/28/ultra-street-fighter-iv-suffers-performance-issues-at-launch
[they go on to mention everything that has already been discovered]
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/28/ultra-street-fighter-iv-suffers-performance-issues-at-launch
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I have a very general impression that it's corner cutting. Since games can be patched after they're in the public's hands, and the public gets to play beta tester, it's more tempting to save money on internal testing and paying the full dev team to stay on one project. Especially because, as we have seen, mass numbers of mainstream customers don't care about technical quality and bugs to a certain point. Many can't even tell what framerate is - as long as the game doesn't freeze for 1-2 seconds repeatedly, it's "smooth and fine". (I have heard many people say they can't tell when Assassin's Creed games chug.)
Since the masses will rush out and buy millions of big games on day 1 regardless of how polished they are, I guess there's no incentive for most publishers to actually polish things very well before launch. If there's a problem so bad that the average player actually notices eventually, it can be patched.
But this mentality hurts games aimed at more niche audiences and enthusiasts, as we can see here. The very idea of farming out the port of a hardcore fighting game designed for tournaments to a nobody studio with a bad track record should be ludicrous. Yet here we are.
Don't forget the Sony rep who said they're investigating "patch issues" on twitter was the same guy who weeks before typed up an empty PR blurb about this very game. He said it was so awesome, the best version ever, and they just couldn't stop playing it.
Porting is the one thing newfies ARE good at though, I mean the ocean is right there man!
Kidding aside, I hope this gets fixed up , I'd love to play a version of this game that my friends can also play that also runs at 1080p. I have the PC version but I'm the only 1 in my friends group that actually games on a computer .... well that would play a fighting game there anyway.
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This port though, I'm thinking there are many things that could have happened and we can probably rule some of them out just by thinking it over a bit.
1) Hardest theory to prove but the most likely answer - The developer who ported this game was perhaps desperate to work on street fighter 4 , might be a cool gig, and thus possibly underbid on its production cost in the hopes that it wouldn't be that difficult AND to ensure they could get the job. Sony then said "sure, you've got the lowest price and look capable, here's the $800K you agreed to , you've got 4 months. Then the porting job proved to be much more difficult since it uses a proprietary engine built by DIMPS and between the small team size and limited budget corners had to be cut. At some point the game must have hit a finished beta version but perhaps too late to clean it up. The 4 month dev-time perhaps was given a 1 month delay to make the beta a playable but shoddy version and that is what ended up being released yesterday. With the intent to begin patching it even as that version was getting cleared for release. Promotional materials such as last weeks trailer were probably built using the PC version and possibly even got finished 6-8 weeks back.
2) Someone at certification dropped the ball and a beta version from 2 months ago got put up on the store instead of the final release edition, given that the game hasn't immediately been replaced by this imagined "finished" copy I don't feel this is very likely.
3) This version of the game had to enter certification at the end of april because in an effort to clean up the bugs , something was changed that completely broke the game. Perhaps a patch is almost ready to go to update the game to proper state ? If this were the case I think they would have just delayed the launch by a week.
Either way, I'm thinking the developer behind this mess should really come out and apologize to anyone who already bought it. If their intent was to be known as a cheap but efficient "hd remaster" studio this game has only tarnished their reputation instead of glorifying it. In the words of Immortan Joe "mediocre"
You shouldn't really expect or blame laymens for not picking up the nuances of this game. The more egregious stuff sure, but those are still being found.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Dunno myself, but if I don't see something that floats my boat in terms of a true 1st-party exclusive from Sony or Microsoft this E3, I'm just gonna go PC and maybe pick up a Wii U later down the line.
I mean, PS4 has Bloodborn right now and Tomorrow Children on the way, but two games does not justify a $400 investment. All the same, Quantum Break looks very promising but it's not worth the cover charge of an XBO for just that one single game.
This is the heart of the issue, right here. It's sad how many gamers this gen are willing to do the job of people who used to be employed/paid by companies before the game came out.
It's pretty ridiculous. Here's these companies going "hey numbnut!? How's about you pay US to play an incomplete beta of our own product, and send us back feedback free of charge because you're totally not a real beta-tester even though you're doing the work of one? Yeah!"
Gamers,...oh how far we've fallen
.....You'd think they'd know and understand who the audience that this port is for. Nothing escapes them, even the most minor of flaws will be picked up by this audience that casual players simply wont pick up on because they don't put tens of thousands of hours into playing these games. Whats good enough in terms of testing for the mainstream is not even remotely good enough for competitive games like SF.
Agent X
Member
I agree. They really made a big deal about promoting this version of the game as having virtually lag-free input. It's appalling to find out that there's more lag in this version.
I wonder if there was some point during the game's development where the game really did have much less lag than other versions, and that the lag was introduced very late in the development schedule. It's likely this really was a design goal, but something screwed it up and they rushed it out the door anyway.
Sony needs to ensure this is remedied quickly, especially since they are heavily sponsoring major fighting game events like EVO. It would be a total embarrassment for Sony if event organizers are forced to bypass the PS4 in favor of a competitor's last-generation system due to performance issues.
The only thing I can think of is the lab zero drivers seeing as how pad players have noticed no/less lag. Also, I recall Markman mentioning that he was testing ps3 sticks for this prior to it being announced that you could use your ps3 stick for this...Seems like he knew and if that's the case so did Capcom/Sony.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Well... given the porting company's level of competency, it doesn't seem a stretch that they could not integrate the Lab Zero drivers in a way that doesn't cause extra lag. Or they didn't have time to test the drivers and figure out how to reduce latency.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I honestly think you'd be disappointed unless like you used a stick. Maybe it's just because I haven't been playing online, but my only glitch has been a freeze in Dhalsim's trials.
Haha this is legit good but I love the start. "It's Sony's fault"
I think it'll come ASAP. But right now players have to start training and they can't wait for a patch. Might as well stick to what's familiar.
direct_quote
Member
Well it's good they are addressing it, but it's disappointing that the PS4 version has so many bugs... Ugh shouldn't have done the port cheap.
Arby 'n' the Chief
Member
how fast can we expect a patch to fix all of this?
Blackage
Member
3-6 months realistically to fix all the problems.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Arby 'n' the Chief
Member
nikos
Member
Hopefully that's the case. Patch as much as possible ASAP and wait a couple of months, to make sure everything is working as it should, before making it the official version.