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Hey guys, lets assume it did bomba, or more specifically didn't meet their internal sales expectations.

What do you think would happen?

I hope they do a Capcom vs Capcom game (Capcom All Stars).

They can just replace all the Marvel cast with Capcom dudes, so they don't have to pay the license fee, and get more obscure and weird Capcom guys.

I bet they could design some wacky characters that don't make sense in any universe to fit the move-list shells left by the marvel cast. They could bang out a robot to play like Sent, or some kind of metal beast man thingy to do Iron Man's moves.

But I hope it didn't bomb, and MVC4 is ready for next gen.
 
So considerably less than Super in the holidays is all but guaranteed, haha.

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Hey guys, lets assume it did bomba, or more specifically didn't meet their internal sales expectations.

What do you think would happen?

I hope they do a Capcom vs Capcom game (Capcom All Stars).

They can just replace all the Marvel cast with Capcom dudes, so they don't have to pay the license fee, and get more obscure and weird Capcom guys.

I bet they could design some wacky characters that don't make sense in any universe to fit the move-list shells left by the marvel cast. They could bang out a robot to play like Sent, or some kind of metal beast man thingy to do Iron Man's moves.

But I hope it didn't bomb, and MVC4 is ready for next gen.

Capcom Fighting Jam 2, or Capcom Jam and add non fighting games.
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The only FGs this gen are Brawl and MK9. I haven't seen any other game stick around for 2+ NPD top 10s
You mean the only fighters with long legs? SFIV and SSFIV sold very well after their first months(especially super).

Having long legs doesn't mean it needs to be in top ten. It just needs to keep selling a steady 50k for the next six months in the US alone. It could happen, but I won't care about the next six months since I'll be playing other games(maybe I'll pick up ultimate later on?).
 
Capcom Fighting Jam 2, or Capcom Jam and add non fighting games.
capcom-fighting-evolution-20041019074227075.jpg

Hehe, I personally don't want that. I want the gameplay of UMVC3 to continue, even without the Marvel license.

I want Capcom Fighting Jam to die in a fire :)

In Capcom VS Capcom, we could get all the Red Earth characters that were wasted in Fighting Jam.
 
Look, guys, it's clear UMvC3 is a well-deserved bomb. Why? Because it didn't sell Mortal Kombat numbers even though nobody expected it to, Capcom included. Validate my sobbing wreck of a post history.
 
Look, guys, it's clear UMvC3 is a well-deserved bomb. Why? Because it didn't sell Mortal Kombat numbers even though nobody expected it to, Capcom included. Validate my sobbing wreck of a post history.

And don't forget the gender equality. Capcom and Marvel certainly have!
 
And don't forget the gender equality. Capcom and Marvel certainly have!
But ofcourse! Also Capcom should be ashamed it didn't do MW3 or Skyrim numbers to hang around the top ten in NPDs. I mean, why even make games if they don't sell more than Call of Duty anyways?
 
Let the tears flow is all I can say buddies. We're past the denial stage, now we're on the angry one. It's in all our interests that this practice and game not be successful. When Capcom has no choice but to make fully featured games on day 1 you'll understand.

The thing is Capcom had to expect this.

The question isn't did UMVC III bomb, the question is if Capcom went in with real expectations.

Everything from them would seem they did. As it stands I have never heard Seth or even Niitsuma really express very high expectations other then delievering a much better tuned and quality game that they will continue to support.

The drop off from SF IV to SS and then to AE most certainly kept their minds in check, and given th additions both that are in and were forced to be left out of the game as well as the time of delivery almost assuredly made it so Capcom is willing to open low and hopefully build up from Release including the addition of the Vita version.

Honestly if you've been watching anything Capcom lately, you'll see that something isn't adding up with their entire business. You have their entire Japanese team working Dragon's Dogma, outsourcing being a huge mixed bag as a result, rushed games, not being able to remove saves, overpricing software, etc. . .
 
Let the tears flow is all I can say buddies. We're past the denial stage, now we're on the angry one. It's in all our interests that this practice and game not be successful. When Capcom has no choice but to make fully featured games on day 1 you'll understand.



Honestly if you've been watching anything Capcom lately, you'll see that something isn't adding up with their entire business. You have their entire Japanese team working Dragon's Dogma, outsourcing being a huge mixed bag as a result, rushed games, not being able to remove saves, overpricing software, etc. . .

Yup, we all love mvc and it's just sad to see them half ass some of the shit. Capcom needs to take more care with the games or we're going to have a repeat of the late 90's and a drought again because people won't tolerate that shit.
 
Capcom needs to take more care with the games or we're going to have a repeat of the late 90's and a drought again because people won't tolerate that shit.

A drought of Capcom titles while others flourish, we can only hope for!

Also DR2K, that tag is awesome. Perfectly describes me.
 
Honestly if you've been watching anything Capcom lately, you'll see that something isn't adding up with their entire business. You have their entire Japanese team working Dragon's Dogma, outsourcing being a huge mixed bag as a result, rushed games, not being able to remove saves, overpricing software, etc. . .

DD is weird, but outside of that the other things make since for the most part. The single Save included. Capcom overall has shown they are going to do what needs to be done to make money be it canceling games (MML) or try to reinvent franchises.

They have made some mistakes sure, but overall they have been pretty good about things and I see no reason to doubt.

Also lets not forget Dragon's Dogma only supports this. While the development staff and budget are nothing short of mind bending, the expectations for it are not. If they are being smart about that then it's even less likely they would overshoot with UMvCIII.
 
It's disgusting that Capcom held back the hitboxes and replays for the Vita version. Ono may be a troll, but at least he ships feature complete games that aren't betas.
 
Let the tears flow is all I can say buddies. We're past the denial stage, now we're on the angry one. It's in all our interests that this practice and game not be successful. When Capcom has no choice but to make fully featured games on day 1 you'll understand.
riiiight, because capcom is totally the company that will say "mvc3 didn't sell well; oh well, we'll do better with mvc4". no, they're gonna say "fuck you guys, mvc4 is a waste of time."

they cancelled mega man games because people didn't post on capcom unity... they make us sign petitions for darkstalkers games... seriously, boycotting mvc3 is about the stupidest thing you can do if you care about the franchise at all.
 
riiiight, because capcom is totally the company that will say "mvc3 didn't sell well; oh well, we'll do better with mvc4". no, they're gonna say "fuck you guys, mvc4 is a waste of time."

they cancelled mega man games because people didn't post on capcom unity... they make us sign petitions for darkstalkers games... seriously, boycotting mvc3 is about the stupidest thing you can do if you care about the franchise at all.

This logic is just as bad as DR2K's.

I bought MvC3 and UMvC3 because I thought they were worth my money. If they weren't, why should I support a developer who isn't making things I want to buy?
 
riiiight, because capcom is totally the company that will say "mvc3 didn't sell well; oh well, we'll do better with mvc4". no, they're gonna say "fuck you guys, mvc4 is a waste of time."

they cancelled mega man games because people didn't post on capcom unity... they make us sign petitions for darkstalkers games... seriously, boycotting mvc3 is about the stupidest thing you can do if you care about the franchise at all.

No they cancel'd Mega Man Games because the majority don't fucking sale, and while Inafune was there as a Champion they had reason to make them. After he left they and Legends 3 were nothing but a money sink so they dropped it.
 
riiiight, because capcom is totally the company that will say "mvc3 didn't sell well; oh well, we'll do better with mvc4". no, they're gonna say "fuck you guys, mvc4 is a waste of time."

they cancelled mega man games because people didn't post on capcom unity... they make us sign petitions for darkstalkers games... seriously, boycotting mvc3 is about the stupidest thing you can do if you care about the franchise at all.

MVC3 sold well though, and it would have sold much more if they put some thought and time into the game. Like a certain other fully featured fighter that came out right after it. This exploitation didn't.

So just keep on begging them to take your money then and you'll keep getting shit like this. You're part of the problem, quit acting like you owe Capcom anything.
 
MVC3 sold well though, and it would have sold much more if they put some thought and time into the game. Like a certain other fully featured fighter that came out right after it. This exploitation didn't.

So just keep on begging them to take your money then and you'll keep getting shit like this. You're part of the problem, quit acting like you owe Capcom anything.
I am knowingly part of the problem.. but your "solution" leaves me with no MvC at the end of the day so I have to reject it. This is the dilemma. And currently, half baked MvC is more interesting to me than everything else out on the market.
 
I don't see anything half-assed about MvC's roster and gameplay, which at the end of the day is most important do me. I'll continue to buy them if the effort put into them shines in gameplay.
 
No they cancel'd Mega Man Games because the majority don't fucking sale, and while Inafune was there as a Champion they had reason to make them. After he left they and Legends 3 were nothing but a money sink so they dropped it.

I like how this viewpoint was mentioned several times during that fiasco, but it fell on deaf ears.
 
I am knowingly part of the problem.. but your "solution" leaves me with no MvC at the end of the day so I have to reject it. This is the dilemma.

But if you over saturate the market with a bunch of BS and confuse the average consumer then you're going to end up in late 90s again. You'll lose either way until Capcom decides to get it right.
 
But if you over saturate the market with a bunch of BS and confuse the average consumer then you're going to end up in late 90s again. You'll lose either way until Capcom decides to get it right.
What bit is confusing the average consumer? I know casual people who play Marvel/SF and they're pretty aware of the bullshit Capcom pulls.. because it's nothing new and Capcom has sustained itself off of this stuff forever.

How will Capcom get it right? That is the question that remains unanswered, and has every single time we have this discussion on GAF. The Capcom dies scenario is several magnitudes of unlikely, although optimal. What divine force will make Capcom change it's ways? I don't see any.
 
But if you over saturate the market with a bunch of BS and confuse the average consumer then you're going to end up in late 90s again. You'll lose either way until Capcom decides to get it right.

Only if Capcom games are the only fighters you play. /shrug

I'll buy them so long as they're fun to play, and when they're not there move on to other games.

SxT looks like hot garbage. Not touching that unless I buy it used or on sale with Steam.
 
This logic is just as bad as DR2K's.

I bought MvC3 and UMvC3 because I thought they were worth my money. If they weren't, why should I support a developer who isn't making things I want to buy?
how so? if mvc3 fails, why should capcom make mvc4? why wouldn't they just focus on franchises that sell well like sf5? of course, if you don't care about mvc4, then don't buy mvc3 of course. but if you want to see mvc4, it's probably a very good idea to support mvc3.


No they cancel'd Mega Man Games because the majority don't fucking sale, and while Inafune was there as a Champion they had reason to make them. After he left they and Legends 3 were nothing but a money sink so they dropped it.
that was a very specific reference. i'm too lazy to dig it up at the moment, but that was pretty much an official capcom pr's excuse as to why they cancelled one of their mega man games (forgot which one it was now).
 
What bit is confusing the average consumer? I know casual people who play Marvel/SF and they're pretty aware of the bullshit Capcom pulls.. because it's nothing new and Capcom has sustained itself off of this stuff forever.

How will Capcom get it right? That is the question that remains unanswered, and has every single time we have this discussion on GAF. The Capcom dies scenario is several magnitudes of unlikely, although optimal. What divine force will make Capcom change it's ways? I don't see any.

Go ask the casual person that didn't buy UMVC3 but bought MVC3. I'm sure many will cite that they couldn't tell the difference.

Do what Mk and the other major 3D fighters have been doing. Release a game every few years, and go big on it. Do any DLC or expansion properly. It's already hurting TKvsSF, when Capcom has to state they won't be pulling a disc only expansion again.
 
how so? if mvc3 fails, why should capcom make mvc4? why wouldn't they just focus on franchises that sell well like sf5? of course, if you don't care about mvc4, then don't buy mvc3 of course. but if you want to see mvc4, it's probably a very good idea to support mvc3.



that was a very specific reference. i'm too lazy to dig it up at the moment, but that was pretty much an official capcom pr's excuse as to why they cancelled one of their mega man games (forgot which one it was now).

No, that was one very dumb comment from Capcom Euro on the subject. It does link into the bigger issue of small fan base and relatively low selling software.

And it was for Mega Man Legends 3, which by all means doesn't have a large fan base and for a company who says 2.6 million units of a game isn't enough that would never be.

As far as Universe goes, that piece of trash should have never been shown wand was rightfully canceled.
 
how so? if mvc3 fails, why should capcom make mvc4? why wouldn't they just focus on franchises that sell well like sf5? of course, if you don't care about mvc4, then don't buy mvc3 of course. but if you want to see mvc4, it's probably a very good idea to support mvc3.

But if I think MvC3 was a rushed piece of garbage missing key things I think should be in a fighter (spectator mode, good online, characters, etc.) why should I buy it? Maybe I don't want there to be an MvC3 if that's the case. I shouldn't have to buy a game now in hopes that the sequel will be what I want.
 
Go ask the casual person that didn't buy UMVC3 but bought MVC3. I'm sure many will cite that they couldn't tell the difference.

Do what Mk and the other major 3D fighters have been doing. Release a game every few years, and go big on it. Do any DLC or expansion properly. It's already hurting TKvsSF, when Capcom has to state they won't be pulling a disc only expansion again.

The way I feel on TKvsSF is I'm waiting for the updated version. It's happening 101%. If they can't because of a contract agreement with Namco they will find a way to make you pay for something somehow. I'll be waiting on the updates, maybe even the third.

I was luckily able to sell off SF4 for a good price, I currently have a worthless MVC3, may toss it to my brother since he won't know the difference if he ever feel like playing it. The updates should have been dlc if they had to rush the games, because releasing the new one so early sure makes it seem like the first ones were rushed. Someone told me that they aren't exactly low on staff and they are designed to be feature starved compared to games like Soul Calibur, and MK series.
 
Go ask the casual person that didn't buy UMVC3 but bought MVC3. I'm sure many will cite that they couldn't tell the difference.

Do what Mk and the other major 3D fighters have been doing. Release a game every few years, and go big on it. Do any DLC or expansion properly. It's already hurting TKvsSF, when Capcom has to state they won't be pulling a disc only expansion again.
People can't tell the difference between UMvC3 and MvC3? Is that what your tryna say? Are they completely daft? Ofcourse you can tell the difference, all the differences are explicit and made explicit in stuff like the UI to try and appeal to them. That's a bunch of bullshit. All the differences are there, whether you find value in them is up to you, and I'm assuming most people didn't. Nothing confusing about it. Same thing with GOTY editions, people know whats up and whats in there, and they decide accordingly. No one is confused.

Capcom isn't doing another disc version of SFxTK because it's only one disc release under contract, not because they don't want to. Both devs might have another contract down the line if SFxTK and TKxSF do well, but that's their current reasoning for not having another release. They never said they wouldn't be doing a disc-only expansion ever again, only with SFxTK because of the contract.

I would certainly prefer the model MK and 3D fighters use no doubt, but there is no incentive to do that when their current model seems to be working just fine. UMvC3 is a unique situation that is hurt by the licensee, Marvel. Otherwise, their current model has kept them and their fighting game division not only relevant, but also one that keeps bringing in revenue. Chopping up their revenue stream some more isn't something that Capcom would do, and "fix" Capcom.
 
People can't tell the difference between UMvC3 and MvC3? Is that what your tryna say? Are they completely daft? Ofcourse you can tell the difference, all the differences are explicit and made explicit in stuff like the UI to try and appeal to them. That's a bunch of bullshit. All the differences are there, whether you find value in them is up to you, and I'm assuming most people didn't. Nothing confusing about it.

Capcom isn't doing another disc version of SFxTK because it's only one disc release under contract, not because they don't want to. Both devs might have another contract down the line if SFxTK and TKxSF do well, but that's their current reasoning for not having another release. They never said they wouldn't be doing a disc-only expansion ever again, only with SFxTK because of the contract.

I would certainly prefer the model MK and 3D fighters use no doubt, but there is no incentive to do that when their current model seems to be working just fine. UMvC3 is a unique situation that is hurt by the licensee, Marvel. Otherwise, their current model has kept them and their fighting game division not only relevant, but also one that keeps bringing in revenue. Chopping up their revenue stream some more isn't something that Capcom would do, and "fix" Capcom.

A casual person isn't going to notice the UI. They might notice new characters, but the majority of the things added to the game doesn't appeal to a casual player unless one of the new characters is a favorite or something.

I've shown the game to dozens of casual fighting game fans and the thing they notice is the new characters, nothing else. Anecdotal, of course, but I think you're overestimating the changes made to the game to a person who only cares that Wolverine can fight Iron Man.
 
People can't tell the difference between UMvC3 and MvC3? Is that what your tryna say?

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He could mean as I mean about my brother. He don't follow the fighting scene, and don't play fighting games much anymore. Giving him MVC3 would be just as good as giving him UMVC3. Seeing the features, UI, and character selection side by side will be easy to tell however.


A casual person isn't going to notice the UI. They might notice new characters, but the majority of the things added to the game doesn't appeal to a casual player unless one of the new characters is a favorite or something.

I've shown the game to dozens of casual fighting game fans and the thing they notice is the new characters, nothing else. Anecdotal, of course, but I think you're overestimating the changes made to the game to a person who only cares that Wolverine can fight Iron Man.

Hhaha so true. Also the new marvel characters aren't very popular (as in all over movies and such). I didn't know about any of them before.
 
A casual person isn't going to notice the UI. They might notice new characters, but the majority of the things added to the game doesn't appeal to a casual player unless one of the new characters is a favorite or something.

I've shown the game to dozens of casual fighting game fans and the thing they notice is the new characters, nothing else. Anecdotal, of course, but I think you're overestimating the changes made to the game to a person who only cares that Wolverine can fight Iron Man.

This is me. I do know about all the differences and that it's a better game, thing is none of the new characters appealed to me so it wasn't worth picking it up after buying the original.

Don't know if I'm the exception or the rule though.
 
A casual person isn't going to notice the UI. They might notice new characters, but the majority of the things added to the game doesn't appeal to a casual player unless one of the new characters is a favorite or something.

I've shown the game to dozens of casual fighting game fans and the thing they notice is the new characters, nothing else. Anecdotal, of course, but I think you're overestimating the changes made to the game to a person who only cares that Wolverine can fight Iron Man.
All I'm saying is, they're not saturating the market with something that is confusing to the average person. If you take more than 20 seconds to look at media, or the back of the box or anything, you know what's up and what's different pretty clearly. One is Ultimate, one is not.

Like I said, whether you find value in such, especially if you bought MvC3 previously, is something else entirely. I fail to see how it is "confusing."
 
He could mean as I mean about my brother. He don't follow the fighting scene, and don't play fighting games much anymore. Giving him MVC3 would be just as good as giving him UMVC3. Seeing the features, UI, and character selection side by side will be easy to tell however.

Yeah, side by side. But I have friends who can't tell the difference between any version of the same fighting game, aside from better graphics. It's all the same to them. One version of Tekken/Soul Calibur/DoA/Street Fighter is all the same to them.
 
But if I think MvC3 was a rushed piece of garbage missing key things I think should be in a fighter (spectator mode, good online, characters, etc.) why should I buy it? Maybe I don't want there to be an MvC3 if that's the case. I shouldn't have to buy a game now in hopes that the sequel will be what I want.
i already said why. if you don't care a whole lot bout the mvc franchise, then don't buy it.

the 'it's a bad game, i'll wait for the next one' only really works for established popular franchises that sell well despite releasing a few rotten apples. an example being mortal kombat. people who don't know any better are going to buy it anyways. sonic is another franchise that 'well-educated gamers' have the luxury to pick and choose good ones. because good or bad, sonic will still sell and sega will still continue to make sonic games. in terms of mvc3, i don't think capcom has that same kind of luxury.

edit: and to clarify, i'm not saying you should have to, but thats just how it is with capcom. go play kof if you don't agree with capcom (which is a good game btw).
 
Yeah, side by side. But I have friends who can't tell the difference between any version of the same fighting game, aside from better graphics. It's all the same to them. One version of Tekken/Soul Calibur/DoA/Street Fighter is all the same to them.
The kind of friends you describe don't appear to be the demographic me and DR2K are arguing about, if they bought MvC3, they have a reference point for comparisons, and they damn well know if they're getting burned or not by UMvC3's existence, provided they actually played MvC3, even if you don't follow online media and promo at all. As soon as you see it in the store, you know the difference between the two products. There is no confusion in what the difference is unless you don't care entirely.

If you walk into the store and see MvC3 and UMvC3, you have to have a complete lack of interest already if you don't bother to pursue the difference.

Shit like platinum/greatest hits stuff is more confusing than two distinct and differently branded releases.
 
Double post but...

H&H Offline Mode Breakdown. Strictly campaign. No offline versus :/

I am fucking pissed, but after the GAF post yesterday that reminded me UMvC3 doesn't already support multiple local profile functionality, I saw this coming.

Fuck.
 
Double post but...

H&H Offline Mode Breakdown. Strictly campaign. No offline versus :/

I am fucking pissed, but after the GAF post yesterday that reminded me UMvC3 doesn't already support multiple local profile functionality, I saw this coming.

Fuck.

Feh, Capcom is being sooo predictable lately. I would love to see them surprising and dazzling us with one of best update version for MVC3:3 with some of kind awesome additions characters and modes.

sadly, it wouldn't happens
 
No replay mode in console UMVC3. No offline versus mode for H&H. What are they thinking? Who is going to be happy about this?
 
Siiiiiiiiiigh. Expected it, but it always sucks to have confirmation of stupidity.

I'm willing to bet that playing H&H in local versus was raised several times, but in the end, it wasn't worth it to the team to implement local profiles. It almost shows a perverse desire to NOT have local profile support for some obscure reason, or because they've got the wrong idea about profiles and such.

Makes a pretty big damn waste of half of H&H's potential. Hell, the damn mode could have been hilarity itself as a side event at tournaments.
 
No replay mode in console UMVC3. No offline versus mode for H&H. What are they thinking? Who is going to be happy about this?

Vita Players. :P


*staring at crystal ball*

I can see that they are going to make a sequel to the game.

It will be .........

Street Fighter vs X-men 2
 
Siiiiiiiiiigh. Expected it, but it always sucks to have confirmation of stupidity.

I'm willing to bet that playing H&H in local versus was raised several times, but in the end, it wasn't worth it to the team to implement local profiles. It almost shows a perverse desire to NOT have local profile support for some obscure reason, or because they've got the wrong idea about profiles and such.

Makes a pretty big damn waste of half of H&H's potential. Hell, the damn mode could have been hilarity itself as a side event at tournaments.
Yeah, no H&H at UFGT8 it seems :/

Maybe you can use training mode as some kind of ghetto H&H versus mode?
I wonder how they'll handle giving the AI decks though, you would probably have to save 2Ps deck to 1P's profile and see if you can select it like 1P does for the AI.. it's interesting but looking grim.
 
Yuck, the confirmation of no offline VS H&H sucks.

They taking a big chunk of the fun out of it. The mode seems so fun, it could had been greater.
 
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