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US PSP Manual and other Goodies

So game sharing is a real feature, but do we have any idea if any games on the horizon are planning to use it?
 
Wario64 said:
But the thing is that ALL Japanese games have a region code 2 logo on the box.
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...including Sony's own games. They themselves have rebuffed the game region lockout rumors at every turn, so I doubt the "2" means much of anything, except to denote the target sales region.
 
If this manual is correct and up-to-date, then you cannot play Japanese PSP games on a US system. Considering the Japanese manual has the exact same section -- but with the 2 graphic instead of the 1 -- everything seems to check out.
 
Perhaps someone can help me out?

I already have a router without WLAN support, and Im looking for a cheaper way to get WLAN on my PC, Im just getting for the PSP.

Would something like this work?

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D-Link DWL-G122 54Mbps Wireless USB-Adapter

Just connect it to the PC via the USB 2.0 port and have the PSP connect that way?
 
Kobun Heat said:
If this manual is correct and up-to-date, then you cannot play Japanese PSP games on a US system. Considering the Japanese manual has the exact same section -- but with the 2 graphic instead of the 1 -- everything seems to check out.
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We will see. We have every single person in Sony saying it's region free for games, and those damned 1s and 2s in the manuals telling us to be cautious!

We'll see in North America this March :)
 
The End said:
right, except that the games that are out already are "2".
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Yes, that is true. But Sony has said that the region coding for games will not be used, at this point, so all games are region-free. UMD-movies and music, however, are regioncoded. But as for games, the PSP is region-free right now, no matter what the numbers say. Hopefully, Sony will not use regions for games, even if they can. I don't think they will, because they want to mess with Nintendo.
 
The region code HAS to be listed for movies. So whether it says 1 or 2 it is a moot point for games. Besides, Sony isn't going to advertise the PSP is region free in the manual. They want all the domestic sales they and 3rd parties can get from titles.
 
I don't understand how you guys think the PSP is still region free for games. There's enough evidence to show that the games are NOT region free

-The region code #2 logo has been present on ALL Japanese PSP games

-The UMD region code statement in this proposed PSP U.S. instruction manual says the PSP will only play UMDs labelled as Region ALL or Region 1. The same thing is mentioned in the JPN manual, except it states Region 2


Unless games are magically gonna be Region ALL in the future, there IS a region code for PSP games

Note that manual says, "The system can play UMD marked with region code "ALL" or "1'." PSP JPN games have region code 2. The manual doesn't state it can play other region codes
 
According to Sony, the "ALL" designation is reserved for software that has been specifically tested and designed for worldwide use. It would make sense that games designed for the Japanese would have a "2" on it, locked or not. They don't want to make guarantees there, and for good reason.

The "region specification logo = region locked games" logic makes absolutely no sense to me. And, in the face of all of the clear and direct evidence from Sony higher-ups, I'd say that logic is straight up retarded. We'll see in a little bit, I guess.
 
With DVD Codes Japan and Europe have the same "regio 2" USA "regio 1". PSP seems to use the same codes. So I really hope my japanese PSP will play european PSP games.
 
Wario64 said:
I don't understand how you guys think the PSP is still region free for games. There's enough evidence to show that the games are NOT region free

-The region code #2 logo has been present on ALL Japanese PSP games

-The UMD region code statement in this proposed PSP U.S. instruction manual says the PSP will only play UMDs labelled as Region ALL or Region 1. The same thing is mentioned in the JPN manual, except it states Region 2


Unless games are magically gonna be Region ALL in the future, there IS a region code for PSP games
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The reason why there is anyone being cautious is because every single time someone from Sony has been interviewed they have confirmed region-free for games.

Every time. Sony even issued an official statement about it!

"PSP adopts both a "worldwide" and "regional" code system," explains Molly Smith of SCE America. "For games on PSP there is no region code. However, due to language and system issues, quality assurance procedures are done in each territory. Therefore, we recommend purchasing both the hardware and corresponding software in the same market/territory."

Source

So that is why I am just sitting back and smiling and waiting for the March launch.
 
They're just hoping against hope right now, Wario.

Forsete - that might work, but you'll probably have to set the PC with WLAN adapter as an ad-hoc wifi device.
 
I'm starting to thank myself for not importing one of these things, because somewhere in the back my head, something was telling me that publishers would stand up and demand to be able to take advantage of region coding. I'm sure they'd do the same for their GBA and DS games if the system had the hardware to make the distinction.

So, basically, let's stem this tide, because it turns out that both the naysayers AND the optimists were right:

The PSP, by it's nature, will read region coding on every UMD disc, game, movie, music, whatever. However, developers will be free to make region-free discs if they so choose, but will likely not be penalized for making region specific games.
 
What if all game discs are coded with the ALL code?! Like I said, for movie purposes they have to list the PSP by regions. Sony could have worded that section better but they would never advertise a grey area like being able to import games in a manual.
 
The only reason people think its not region-coded for games are comments directly from people within Sony. So any '2' is likely indicating target region, and nothing more. But no concrete information yet until the US console is out.

The only reason people think it *is* region-coded for games is the '2' on game boxes. Plus some ambiguous text about 'UMD' playing with region code 'ALL' or '1'. Nothing about games or movies or music specifically. Again, nothing concrete.

so can both sides please stop getting their knickers in a twist (panties in a bunch) and just wait?

And can Euros please pray to god that we are still region 2 for PSP - just in case ;)
 
We will probably all end up chipping our systems for region free since I just can't see many developers opting to not use region coding it is their choice afterall despite the system itself being game region free as Sony has stated. If anyone could answer the region code question it would be developers not Sony. Has anyone asked them?
 
Hey guys wait what if the games are marked with "ALL" region?

I'm only making fun of the fact that this question has been asked and answered more than 3 times in this thread already

Sucks to be an importer who can't play US games.

Suck to be an American with a US system that can't play Lumines.

Sucks if you take a trip Japan and can't buy a new PSP game while there. THIS IS THE REASON GAMEBOY ISN'T REGION LOCKED. SONY AM RETARDED.

Edit: You people blindly believing Sony's words crack me up. Sony is part of the DVD Consortium, which does the region code stuff. Stuff from out of region will not play on a region 1 DVD player. Why would you expect it to be different for PSP? The doctrine is coming from the SAME COMPANY. Maybe months ago the plan was to make games region free, but something obviously changed and now they are coded.
 
Damn, somebody needs to save these comments for the eventual owning (of either side).

I'd wager a Japanese PSP game that my PSP will play most (if not all) of the US launch lineup :)
 
StrikerObi said:
Suck to be an American with a US system that can't play Lumines.
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Is it marked as R2 on the package? Play-Asia seems to make a special note of it being region free on their site.

Also, the (strong) rumors that Ubi's bringing over Lumines, so nyah. ;)
 
doesn't someone on this board have firsthand knowledge of at least one japanese psp game that has no region coding at all, in spite of the "2" on the box? it would be pretty strange if sony said "games won't be region locked" but actually meant "all games will be region locked from the get-go." i could certainly imagine some deviation from their public statements on the subject, but not a complete, immediate deviation.

in the event that there is a region lock, i'd rather have a japanese system than an american one, but i'll be pretty bummed if i can't play the domestic releases of mg acid and ys vi. :/
 
Wario64 said:
Note that manual says, "The system can play UMD marked with region code "ALL" or "1'." PSP JPN games have region code 2. The manual doesn't state it can play other region codes
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Yes, but it doesn't say "The system can ONLY play UMD marked with region code "ALL" or "1'.". They probably write this because they want the casual gamer to buy all UMDs in the "right" region, even if it only really matters for UMDs containing movies or music. Why? I can think of two reasons:

1. Sony don't want to confuse the casual gamer with different rules for games, movies and music.

2. Sony doesn't garantuee region-free games, because japanease PSP-games will only be tested on japanease PSPs before they launch. So even though there are no actual regioncoding preventing me to play it on my US-PSP, Sony can't garantuee that it will work because they haven't tested it them selfs.

As someone already pointed out, there are enough evidence for that the PSP will be region-free for games (but only for games).
 
Sony said the system is region free for games BUT developers can use region coding if they like wheter they did in Japan is yet to be answered as the region 2 does apear on the boxes but then again it apears on all the boxes as maybe some standard form of making PSP game cases and no other reason .
 
Why print a "code 2" and not a "code all" on 2D PSP games without any videos?
BTW: GBA games have no codes on them. Just "compatibel with Gameboy Advance. That's it.
 
FriScho said:
Why print a "code 2" and not a "code all" on 2D PSP games without any videos?
BTW: GBA games have no codes on them. Just "compatibel with Gameboy Advance. That's it.
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Games with videos are still games.
 
joup said:
Yes, but it doesn't say "The system can ONLY play UMD marked with region code "ALL" or "1'."
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Congradulations, this is the dumbest thing I have ever read on GAF.

Do you really think the "casual gamer" even thinks about importing? Do you really think he's ever going to even SEE a game that is not from his region?
 
xsarien said:
So, you know, good luck opening your PSP in the store. Expect the clerk to swing right around and tell you that you're more than welcome to trade it in as used equipment.
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Yeah if you buy it at a gaming store, they always fuck you like that. While preordering is a benefit at these stores making a return is always a bitch. I'll personally be stalking out an electronics store on release day. I'll gladly put up with the lines to know i'm not going to be screwed with if i want to make an exchange.
 
difficult decision for Sony. Standard practice for DVDs and their PS2 games is to have region coding. This is primarily to protect their partner publishers, who divvie up the rights to multiple territories.

Then there is the Gameboy model which says 'its a portable, you might buy a game on holiday'.

What to do?

You make quiet comments about no region coding for games to specialist sites, while putting DVD style region indicators on packaging and the user guide, and dissuading people from buying games based on 'not being tested in the US and the language being different'.

A fumble, but perhaps the most likely compromise they came up with?
 
FriScho said:
Why print a "code 2" and not a "code all" on 2D PSP games without any videos?
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Here is the reason why, directly from Sony:

"GameSpot: Why did you choose to make the system region-free for games?

MC: Technically, the PSP does have a region mechanism in it, but, for now we decided to have all region discs work on all systems. This is because people who travel around the world may want to pick up games in different territories. However, each game will only be tested for that specific region and the hardware available in that market, so, technically, not every game may work."

Source: http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-11721-1346-1-5-x&body_pagenum=2

As I said, Sony don't want to garantuee region-free games, but 99,9% of all games will probably work on all PSPs.
 
StrikerObi said:
Edit: You people blindly believing Sony's words crack me up.
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Nobody is really blindly believing Sony's word. For one, after the Japanese system was launched Sony issued another statement confirming AGAIN that it was region-free for games, possibly as a direct result of those people showing the region 2 code and saying that was proof of it being region-locked.

Now, I hope that it IS region-free but I'm no fool. I just find it very odd that even after the Japanese launch they held this standard to be true and yet suddenly they'll change this without even giving an indication. And don't say these numerical indicators are all the effort they needed. After going out of their way to confirm it ISN'T region locked for games in like eight interviews they should have to at least provide an interview discussing why they suddenly changed it (overnight).

As long as Lumines gets brought to the US I won't care too much.
 
"Technically, the PSP does have a region mechanism in it, but, for now we decided to have all region discs work on all systems"


So all region disks work in all systems. Just like it says in the manual.
 
seismologist said:
"Technically, the PSP does have a region mechanism in it, but, for now we decided to have all region discs work on all systems"

So all region disks work in all systems. Just like it says in the manual.
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No, he doesn't mean the "all"-region, he means all regions (1,2,3,all,whatever). Just read the whole answer, where he says that you will be able to pick up games whereever you are.
 
So everyone here is just pissing their pants and NOBODY KNOWS SHIT.

I see.

p.s. everyone should own 2 PSPs. in case one of them breaks, of course.
 
kaching said:
So game sharing is a real feature, but do we have any idea if any games on the horizon are planning to use it?
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DarkStalkers Chronicle is the only one I can think of offhand. I'm shocked Puyo Puyo Fever doesn't since the DS version does... for up to 8 players. :/
 
chespace said:
So everyone here is just pissing their pants and NOBODY KNOWS SHIT.
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Pretty much.

Between this and the square button controversy Sony should reconsider releasing the PSP outside of Japan....
 
0.6% how hideous!

Amir0x you missed the sarcasm in my post! I'm jonesing for a PSP as much as anyone else in this forum sans the jerks who already have one! :D
 
Me: Hey developer buddy, that game you're making for PSP. Is it region encoded?

Developer Buddy: Nah, they're region free. Our game will ship identical code worldwide. Just language changes for loc. Why are you asking? Sony already said several times "No region encoding for games." And it's here in the specs.

Me: GAF was going berserk. Especially this one guy who apparently enjoys the idea it may include region encoding.

Developer Buddy: What the fuck ever. Region encoding for Movies only. Absolute fact. So fuck GAF. What is GAF, btw?

Me: It's a hole in the space/time continuum, that leads to Game Panic.
 
Yes, I just heard that region coding is up to developers and is not a Sony enforced policy.

Eat it, GAF. Eat it.
 
Wario am cry.

I plan on importing Tenchi no Mon if SCEA or some 3rd party decides against bringing the game over.
 
chespace said:
Yes, I just heard that region coding is up to developers and is not a Sony enforced policy.

Eat it, GAF. Eat it.
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I think you just confirmed what most people here suspected. Do any of the Japan games have the All region marking?
 
seismologist said:
I think you just confirmed what most people here suspected. Do any of the Japan games have the All region marking?
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Don't you have some cars to unlock in Ridge Racer DS or something?
 
Stinkles said:
Me: Hey developer buddy, that game you're making for PSP. Is it region encoded?

Developer Buddy: Nah, they're region free. Our game will ship identical code worldwide. Just language changes for loc. Why are you asking? Sony already said several times "No region encoding for games." And it's here in the specs.

Me: GAF was going berserk. Especially this one guy who apparently enjoys the idea it may include region encoding.

Developer Buddy: What the fuck ever. Region encoding for Movies only. Absolute fact. So fuck GAF. What is GAF, btw?

Me: It's a hole in the space/time continuum, that leads to Game Panic.
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I was told by a very good source that Ridge Racers is indeed region-free. I guess the more worried among you will just have to wait and see for yourselves.
 
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