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He needs to buy Nintendo and get them to work on half Life 3 already

 

[DJSharpeCheddar]

What are they doing wrong?

I dunno! Could be any number of things. But when your game reveal gets a thunderous disappointed reaction from everyone attending your event, might be time to figure it out!

 

[Slayven]

There will be a riot when they release the New Left For Dead fidget spinners

 

[snap]

shoulda been a half life card game just to smash that hope into pieces

Yes, truly anything could have been announced at the Dota 2 Tournament.

a Dota 2 anything would be better than yet another card game

 

[cyba89]

But they literally aren't.

Better a card game than a shitty sequel to a First person shooter that will never live up to expectations, tbh.

I'll take a good sequel to a first person shooter over a shitty card game.
(See it works both ways)

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

But they literally aren't.

Better a card game than a shitty sequel to a First person shooter that will never live up to expectations, tbh.

They own other IP that are being left to rot too and that fans would like to play. Personally I want a new IP from them.

 

[Rellik]

He needs to buy Nintendo and get them to work on half Life 3 already

He can't afford Nintendo.

 

[Tain]

this is funny

i can't imagine, no matter how interested you are in this game, not being able to understand how others would find this funny

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

hahahaha

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Sweet so he can fund half life 3, or at least buy another mod dev making something single player and repackage it!

This is the first game by former double fine employee Brad Muir (Massive chalice, iron brigade etc) at valve, he's earlier shown being a big fan of card games and dota. It's pretty much the most logical outcome to that hire.

Hmm a new hire? He probably hasn't greased with wheels of his desk yet.

 

[Spirited]

I dunno! Could be any number of things. But when your game reveal gets a thunderous disappointed reaction from everyone attending your event, might be time to figure it out!

What they did wrong was having Day[9] hype up the announcement before and make it sound like something it wasn't and then just show a generic teaser trailer.

So I think they should have had a gameplay trailer and not hype it up before.

 

[Blobbers]

What are they doing wrong?

Nothing, from one perspective. Everything, from another perspective. A lot of hardcore gamers on gaf are looking at it from the other perspective. You already know all this.

This is the first game by former double fine employee Brad Muir (Massive chalice, iron brigade etc) at valve, he's earlier shown being a big fan of card games and dota. It's pretty much the most logical outcome to that hire.

that's literally how a valve game gets made lol. Brad Muir went to go work at valve just to make this

so do you guys think his vision is gonna include all the usual trappings like paying real money for cards or is it gonna end up being something like the self-contained yugioh games on the DS and PSP where even though there were literally 4000+ cards (Tag Force on PSP) you could get them all in-game and it wasn't that time consuming.
Going against the grain like that would be praiseworthy, I admit.

 

[Bedameister]

My co-worker laughed so hard when I told him about this.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Valve: "Well JEEZ what do you guys want??"

 

[RecRoulette]

I posted this in the other thread but this is like on The Price is Right when someone's about to win a car and they blow it at the end, only multiplied by a lot.

 

[Twookie]

that's literally how a valve game gets made lol. Brad Muir went to go work at valve just to make this

yeah, seems like a great deal of people don't actually know how/why valve decide to make games :/

here's Gabe talking about it if anyone's interested

https://youtu.be/YpaNnX_9Q5s?t=3m8s

 

[xam3l]

haha so funny

No but seriously, why is this a thread?

Well...

Dear Valve,


This kind of reaction to a reveal means You're Doing Something Wrong


Sincerely,

Common Sense

Because of this, I believe.

 

[Squishy3]

People at TI were probably expecting leadup to a new hero or something else, not a reveal of HL3. Revealing HL3 at The International would be even more baffling than revealing a Dota card game.

 

[veloxStrix]

My problem with online card games is that not a single developer makes them because of a vision but 100% because they're a prime genre for microtransactions with the added benefit of nobody expecting a campaign or anything resembling a AAA presentation PLUS the microtransactions are already justified because of the existence of trading card games irl, so of course you gotta keep paying to get that tier 1 deck.

So what's happening here is the audience knows that a trading card game by Valve doesn't really mean anything. It will not let them flex their game design muscles. This game was not a result of someone's creative juices overflowing. It's a cynical cash grab and it was treated as such.
Valve as a company has fallen low and this was a long time coming

Speaking of cynical, this post seems to fit that bill pretty well. "Not a single TCG dev has vision" is pretty damn cynical. What should devs do to prove to you they have vision? Release a $60 card game with no microtransactions? That'll work out, I'm sure. The standard payment model would work great for a genre that people, even though many of them have probably sunk tons of time into Hearthstone, still don't view as a "real" genre. There is a clear difference between TCGs without vision - Shadowverse, PvZ card game, any online MTG besides MTGO and probably MTGO as well - versus TCGs which clearly have a ton of work put into them - Hearthstone, Gwent, Duelyst.

He needs to buy Nintendo and get them to work on half Life 3 already

Buy every gaming website and news joint, release poorly made Half-Life 3 created in Minecraft, give it perfect 10 out of 10s, let revisionist history do the work. I think this is a much better strat more suited to the current meta, personally.

 

[Head.spawn]

Spoiler

No, but seriously... on the real, all of you salty bros will fill the OT and put in 1000 hours. Gaben knows.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

One year later, there's 3 Artifact threads on the front page here alone.

 

[Hektor]

What are they doing wrong?

Not making the games he wants to play

My problem with online card games is that not a single developer makes them because of a vision [...] nobody expecting a campaign [...] so of course you gotta keep paying to get that tier 1 deck.

[..] It will not let them flex their game design muscles.

Truly spoken like soemone that doesn't know the genre.

A: That letter wasn't addressed to Gabe Newell

B: Being rich doesn't mean you aren't doing anything wrong

A: Doesn't change the point at all

B. They clearly aren't doing anything wrong businesswise.

greetings,
common Sense

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

One year later, there's 3 Artifact threads on the front page here alone.

*5 years later* Artifact finally out of beta!


*10 years later* Valve announces Ricochet visual novel closed alpha

 

[Spirited]

Nothing, from one perspective. Everything, from another perspective. A lot of hardcore gamers on gaf are looking at it from the other perspective. You already know all this.

I always laugh when I see stuff like this, how is neogaf so hardcore when it's dominated by people favouring only singleplayer games on consoles and pretty much shit on any "hardcore" multiplayer games with high skill-ceiling.

Many of those "hardcore" gamers on neogaf are just pissed it's not a game made specifically for them. It's just not HL3.

 

[yuraya]

The reaction is priceless. Just the best shit ever.

But seriously people should be happy Valve is doing something new. Gabe said earlier this year that they were making 3 new games. The fact that they actually announced a new game means he was likely telling the truth. There is potentially 2 more game announcements coming. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce another one at Game awards or something. maybe next year @ E3.

 

[Rizific]

that was essentially my response too. I started reading the thread title of the announcement here on gaf and my heart skipped a beat...and then i read "card game". oh well, cool for those who like card games.

 

[veloxStrix]

*5 years later* Artifact finally out of beta!


*10 years later* Valve announces Ricochet visual novel closed alpha

You're actually a genius. Release the final Half-Life arc as a visual novel. It was so obvious.

 

[Acquiescence]

I thought it was funny. And perfectly representative of what my reaction would've been had I watched this play out live.

 

[hollomat]

I enjoy card games so I'm actually really excited for this.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I always laugh when I see stuff like this, how is neogaf so hardcore when it's dominated by people favouring only singleplayer games on consoles and pretty much shit on any "hardcore" multiplayer games with high skill-ceiling.

Many of those "hardcore" gamers on neogaf are just pissed it's not a game made specifically for them. It's just not HL3.

TCG. High skill-ceiling.

 

[misses bull]

so do you guys think his vision is gonna include all the usual trappings like paying real money for cards or is it gonna end up being something like the self-contained yugioh games on the DS and PSP where even though there were literally 4000+ cards (Tag Force on PSP) you could get them all in-game and it wasn't that time consuming.
Going against the grain like that would be praiseworthy, I admit.

idk we don't know what the monetization is gonna be yet so theirs no point of arguing like this. But seeing how valve lets you get all the dota heroes for free theirs a good chance that might happen.

People at TI were probably expecting leadup to a new hero or something else,

squishy please thats whats gonna happen.

 

[Spirited]

TCG. High skill-ceiling.

Not talking specifically about this game, talking about mp games in general. csgo and dota 2 often isn't even counted as games on this damn forum when they count how long since valve made a game they jump all the way back to portal 2 to prove some dumbass point.

 

[brian577]

So what your saying is Valve is a good sized developer that should be capable of putting out at least one decent game a year.

 

[Josemsar]

Well, would it be any better if it was:

HALF LIF3 -

Spoiler

The Card Game

¿?

 

[jrcbandit]

I was hoping for one of their VR game announcements. I've given up on HL, but in general I'd be excited for almost any other game except for something like this. Instead of developing something fresh, this announcement sounds more like they were looking to make a game with minimal development costs and Microtransactions as the driving force ;p.

 

[XaosWolf]

One of the most genuine crowd reactions I've seen. It's magnificent.

 

[Novocaine]

Spoiler

No, but seriously... on the real, all of you salty bros will fill the OT and put in 1000 hours. Gaben knows.

Only because it will unlock a courier in Dota 2 though.

 

[Syf]

I dunno! Could be any number of things. But when your game reveal gets a thunderous disappointed reaction from everyone attending your event, might be time to figure it out!

The overwhelming dislike ratio on the trailer shows it too. What's strange on GAF is reading posts acting like people have no reason to be disappointed. It comes off as almost disingenuous.

 

[DJSharpeCheddar]

Not making the games he wants to play

Nor the games literally anyone at that event wants to play either, evidently.

 

[Random Human]

.

 

[elyetis]

so do you guys think his vision is gonna include all the usual trappings like paying real money for cards or is it gonna end up being something like the self-contained yugioh games on the DS and PSP where even though there were literally 4000+ cards (Tag Force on PSP) you could get them all in-game and it wasn't that time consuming.
Going against the grain like that would be praiseworthy, I admit.

From the description day9 gave I have some hope it won't be about who has the better deck ( and even worst who spent the most money to get that deck ). Valve did well on that aspect with dota 2 let's hope they keep that practice for this game.
But card game and good monetisation isn't what I would usually expect.

 

[rashbeep]

i can't believe this is still relevant

 

[Spirited]

So what your saying is Valve is a good sized developer that should be capable of putting out at least one decent game a year.

A guys networth doesn't make his private company become big in terms of employees. They actually has to hire for that to happen, which they haven't been doing en-masse. They are still like 325 employees which is like 7% of Blizzards workforce.

 

[CountAntonius]

Nobody cares for card game announcements but plenty of people will play it. Especially since it's by Valve.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

Not talking specifically about this game, talking about mp games in general. csgo and dota 2 often isn't even counted as games on this damn forum when they count how long since valve made a game they jump back all the way to portal 2 to prove some dumbass point.

Ok got it.

I also think it has a lot to do with history of Valve since half life 2 and launch of steam. Most games being mods that they took and polished into a sequel or 2. Also that most of their games business model surrounds f2p economy. Also because they promised half life 3 and later episodes on numerous times and never delivering.

And lastly because it is yet another TCG a genre that seemingly everyone is making.

 

[Hektor]

Nor the games literally anyone at that event wants to play either, evidently.

Yea, we are going to see how many of these people totally don't want to play it once it's released ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[brian577]

A guys networth doesn't make his private company become big in terms of employees. They actually has to hire for that to happen, which they haven't been doing en-masse. They are still like 325 employees which is like 7% of Blizzards workforce.

And that's the problem, they have the money and clout to do so but no will.

 

[Spirited]

The overwhelming dislike ratio on the trailer shows it too. What's strange on GAF is reading posts acting like people have no reason to be disappointed. It comes off as almost disingenuous.

Yeah because no one wants to play that COD game that has like a 5-95 like-dislike ratio on youtube...

 

[Neuromancer]

 

[jwhit28]

How do you announce a card game based on an existing game and not even have a still image to show at the reveal?