Pai Pai Master
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Everything she says you can tell Feige is just like "no...no that not how it works, that's not how you're supposed to do things"
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'Venom' (With Tom Hardy) takes place in the spider-man homecoming universe (MCU)
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lol there's no need
paradise_circus
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yeah, I think it would be extremely cool
Glass Rebel
Member
I wonder how the rights work for associated characters that were created way after the initial deals were made.
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Peter Parkers famous sidekick who had all the power but none of the responsibility and was a non-eve´nt after the third comic he appeared in
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
At first I had the same reaction as SpaceWolf but I remember him now. Even have the floppy in my comics box. 50th anniversary issue, I believe.
I want an Arana movie first.
Glass Rebel
Member
What does Ghost Rider have to do with Sony?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Nothing? Did you read my post? Ghost Rider exists in the MCU and won't appear in the movies, same for Daredevil, Punisher, etc.
And now Venom too. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Glass Rebel
Member
Weird phrasing but ok.
Venom will be once removed from even Ghost Rider & Punisher.
None of them will appear in MCU movies, but the latter 2 do appear in the MCU.
Oh, that kid! Didn't he ever have electricity powers or something?
What even happened to him? Did they kill him off?
"ASK ME, WHAT HE NEEDS IS A GOOD BENJAMIN GRIMM TRADEMARKED CLOBBERIN'!"
Jesus Christ, Ben!
UltimaPooh
Member
If it's part of the MCU its going to have the same look at it that Homecoming got with Marvel having a say over things.
Its got Tom Hardy. It could be good.
Its got Tom Hardy. It could be good.
I think this is the best way to do it if they make a Spider-verse at all. They just need to make sure Avi Arad and them are actually listening to Marvel's notes this time because I don't see why they can't play in Marvel's playground as long as they respect their rules. The alternative is Spider-Manless spin-offs (who really thinks that's a good idea) or recasting a separate Spider-Man just for spin-off which is an awful idea.
At least this gives me more hope that Pete will get the symbiote in Infinity War as set up for the Venom film. People have speculated as much for a while, especially when Holland was shown wearing those mocap gloves in the Infinity War preview. I mean, what is the point of doing this Sony/Marvel crossover if they don't capitalize on it's potential? Sony can't be that stupid not to realize it helps them more in the long run. They get to make the stories that Marvel can't and Sony gets to have more organic crossover ideas that just having Spider-Man show up once in a while in MCU films and big characters like Tony or Cap appearing in Spider-Man films to boost their box office.
At least this gives me more hope that Pete will get the symbiote in Infinity War as set up for the Venom film. People have speculated as much for a while, especially when Holland was shown wearing those mocap gloves in the Infinity War preview. I mean, what is the point of doing this Sony/Marvel crossover if they don't capitalize on it's potential? Sony can't be that stupid not to realize it helps them more in the long run. They get to make the stories that Marvel can't and Sony gets to have more organic crossover ideas that just having Spider-Man show up once in a while in MCU films and big characters like Tony or Cap appearing in Spider-Man films to boost their box office.
It would have been smarter to just let Marvel make the movies and rake in the free cash. They're going to just drill holes in their own lifeboat if they decide to make terrible Spiderverse movies on their own to pass the time.
If they do Spider-Verse, I want Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland teaming up to fight Mysterio, if purely to give a happier sense of closure to the Raimi trilogy than Tobey's Peter wordlessly apologising to MJ for slapping her in the face.
Yes, I'm aware this would most likely make for a terrible film.
I haven't really cared for him outside of his stint on the Thunderbolts.
PeterLegend
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Need Kletus Cassidey too
I like the Eddie Brock version fine (if mostly on account of my nostalgia in regards to his deliciously hammy appearance in the original PS1 Spiderman game), but I don't think the character would lend himself very well to a self-contained film, especially one without Spiderman, considering the whole point of the character visually is that he's supposed to be a twisted visual imitation of the character.
Remender's Venom run was pretty good
they won't take a hand in those movies, because those movies aren't in their universe
Sony can't "shoehorn" a movie into the MCU
they won't take a hand in those movies, because those movies aren't in their universe
Sony can't "shoehorn" a movie into the MCU
Walton Goggins Carnage vs Tom Hardy Venom = $1 Billion domestic all from me
Lord of Castamere
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Isn't this a good thing? It means that Marvel should hopefully stop it from being shit.
A fucking disgrace for an event like this. Fuck Slott for delivering underwhelming 50th anniversary.
I think that's what he's talking about.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
You know damn well that by existing alongside Spider-Man, these movies will be part of the MCU. Marvel Studios can ignore them like they do Marvel TV, but they will be part of the same world, whether they like it or not. And that's why Feige needs to move his ass and offer some advice ASAP, otherwise we're headed to ASM2.
Imperial Bishop
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George Oscar Bluth II
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Feige doesn't have a special hat for this movie.
What does this mean?!
What does this mean?!
Secret Fawful
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Ahem, do you mean the character who was named ANDREW MAGUIRE.
Maybe he will have. We know zero about this movie, now since the Venom movie takes place in the MCU, maybe this will have also changed? There is a bit hope, maybe he just looked that strange because he didnt wanted the symbiote costume beeing part of Infinity War beeing spoiled by Amy. Not saying it was really said, but I guess with this announcement today and and Tom mysterious CGI costume on the Infinity War set, its pretty likely.
Blackpanther25
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What if they pull venom from the Sam Raimi universe through the multiverse (Eddy dies in the process) and the symbiote survives.
I know I'm reaching......
I know I'm reaching......
broncobuster
Banned
Oh Feige, you trusted the wrong ally...
Marvel have stated they aren't creatively involved with the film, so no, they wouldn't be in the position to stop it being anything.
I bloody love the internet.
I disagree, but I can understand the confusion.
The 'MCU proper' are the movies. These are the only true sources of canonical lore, and they include Homecoming.
Then there's the 'extended MCU'. These are the ABC, Netflix, Freeform, Hulu shows & one-shots. These can be included in the MCU, but they have to react to the movies.
Then there are Sony's movies. If they ever get made, they are essentially big budget fanfic. If Holland appears in them, he appears as a different version of his Homecoming / Civil War character - because when he appears in the next MCU movie, he will have no recollection of the events from Sony's films.
People might get confused - which is Sony's goal - but I don't think there's any way the course of the MCU will change because of what Sony tries to do.
Exactly - Marvel is not going to let a film they didn't make into the MCU.
OrangeAtlas
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Sony's animated movie is starring Miles Morales, so it probably all just gets roped in together.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Feels like you are grasping at straws because you don't want Sony to stink up the MCU. Trust me I don't want that either, but the fact is, it'll be the same Spider-Man, and I think you know that. Do you REALLY think that Tom Holland will play two different Spider-Men? Nah...And that was Sony's plan all along. Why do you think Feige looked so pissed? Cause his carefully built universe is getting parts out of his control.
It's clear that Sony is about to shoehorn their shit into the MCU. There is no confusion. Marvel may have no creative control, and they will never reference the movies, but it'll be part of the bigger connected universe and you know it. Best we can hope is a Netflix style situation where it's never referenced and might as well not exist.
we'll have to agree to disagree
Complete conjecture.
I think we should all wait for a little more information from both Feige and Pascal about how Sony and Marvel are going to approach the Venom film before touting our own understanding of the situation as fact.
As previously mentioned, Feige has stated in the past that Marvel has no creative control over the Venom and Black Cat/Silver Sable spin-offs Sony are currently cooking up.
FPS murderer
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Calm down. You think Marvel and Feigi are going to let Sony make a POS like Spider-Man 3? Being in the MCU universe is the best thing it could happen to Venom, which is a great spidey villain.
my point is that it doesn't matter how sony approaches their rated r venom movie - i am confident feige isn't going to have spidey reference it in homecoming 2
For now, there is no plan for Venom in the MCU. Its a Sony Project.