calc84maniac
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We're saying that the games will render at different resolutions based on the power profile. Don't have to worry about battery when it's docked.
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Ventura Beat: Nintendo Switch graphics are based on Nvidia's Maxwell Architecture
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Jup, "BUT DEM GRAPHICS! RAAAH!?" people find it hard to realise that this thing is portable thus won't compete with the Pro/Scorpio crowd. They expected a High End Game PC in a small package that you can carry with you.It never was nor did Nintendo say it was.
Isn't the idea that the chip overclocks in docked mode (or, more likely, underclocks in portable mode) and renders at a different resolution in the different modes? Docked mode would render at 1080p, while portable mode would tender at 720p. No upscaling or down sampling, just different render resolutions.
BigEmil
Junior Member
But if they're trying to save battery I doubt they would do that and just settle on 720p or less depending on devs choice on the game, so we'll see once the device is out
There is more to IQ than just resolution, but then when you have groups like MS catering to "4K RAAAH!" as a crowd together with Sony.... then yeah... I can see why everybody things that now.
A downsampled 720P res at 60fps is far prettier than a 1080p image with some shitty AA at 30FPS. ... but meh. I am not going into that argument again.
Interfectum
Gold Member
No one expected this... at least not near enough people for a post like this to be relevant.
That would mean more work on the dev end, wouldn't it ? I always thought it was something like the Wii U, where a 1080p game is downsampled on a 480p screen, without much work to do.
The Hermit
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Since the very first thread people said Pascal vs Maxwell wouldn't change much in terms of raw power and just would be more power efficient.
Also this IS a custom chip, so we have no idea whats inside actually.
If its able to play current gen games at 720p with 30 or even 60 fps than all is fine.
Also this IS a custom chip, so we have no idea whats inside actually.
If its able to play current gen games at 720p with 30 or even 60 fps than all is fine.
I only care about this because it means worse battery life.
Probavky the only reasonable complain I have read so far
An xbox level hybrid Nintendo console is a good / great machine in terms of graphics and engine / asset portability but the Maxwell architevture could lead to a disappointing battery life
calc84maniac
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If we're talking purely about docked output, downscaling 1080p to 720p and then back up to 1080p for the TV is a bad idea. You're just putting on a blur filter at that point.
Pascal Tegra exists already, was released to customers of PX1 in April this year before other pascal parts were even available.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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PS4 sold 40 mio with dead on arrival hardware.
AuthenticM
Member
As long as the Switch can handle HDR, I don't care.
* 50 million, and PS2 sold 155 million with inferior hardware, and wII 100+ million.
Yes, DS started very slow. In early NPDs it was being outsold by everything except Gamecube and selling about half what GBA was monthly. PSP was killing it too early on and that didn't really change until late summer 2005 when hit software started rolling in.
After re-reading this, I realize it's a pretty terrible article and I've lost some respect for Dean Takahashi.
No.
Skittzo0413
Member
I don't know if the article or this thread is hurting my head more.
The Switch being Pascal based or Maxwell based tells us literally nothing about its performance OR its efficiency without any mention of the process node. Maxwell on 16nm is just as efficient as Pascal on 16nm.
The reactions in this thread are quite frankly very embarrassing.
The Switch being Pascal based or Maxwell based tells us literally nothing about its performance OR its efficiency without any mention of the process node. Maxwell on 16nm is just as efficient as Pascal on 16nm.
The reactions in this thread are quite frankly very embarrassing.
ElectricBlanketFire
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This thread will go great with my morning coffee.
Link_enfant
Member
I really hope this is mostly misleading and that we shouldn't be that worried about it. Please don't do wrong Nintendo, I'd be glad to pay 50 or even 100 more for great performance and battery life that wouldn't be decreased by an older chip/architecture, and I know I'm far from being the only one to think that.
killatopak
Member
inferior after a few years later.
It was the most powerful console until xbox and gamecube got released which was years later.
I still remember the hyperbole where the ps2 was so powerful that iraq was gonna strap some together and use it as a supercomputer and power some advance missiles.
Yes more work but it's something devs are already doing in many cases anyway and it really isn't much work if the resources are there. If any developers are really too lazy they can just shoot for 720p across the board.
On Wii U downsampling the 720p image to 480p on the Gamepad was fine since all the processing was console side and the Gamepad was just streaming the image. On Switch though it'll eat your battery faster to go above native res so it's not worth it.
So we all should conclude the writer has no fucking idea, or that he wrote this in order to get as many clicks as possible through controversy.
I have no idea about hardware. I'm considering to read the article again, after reading your posts, and realizing it was nothing but trash. I want to reread it with a new perspective, but I don't want to give them more clicks.
I have no idea about hardware. I'm considering to read the article again, after reading your posts, and realizing it was nothing but trash. I want to reread it with a new perspective, but I don't want to give them more clicks.
Nintendo's status as a console manufacturer isn't anywhere near where Sony's was when transitioning to the PS4, so this is a pointless comparison. Also the standard PS4 is now outdated as Sony pushes the Pro going forward (unless that thing bombs completely).
I thought Pascal is a die shrunk Maxwell? Both Nintendo and Nvidia are settling with Maxwell, one to get the cheapest thing available and another to get back their RnD money. I believe neither will propose to die shrink Maxwell unless the other company will foot the bill.
155m for PS2 actually.
megashock5
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One year later in NA.
September 1999 - Dreamcast
October 2000 - PS2
November 2001 - Xbox/Gamecube
The article actually says its using 20nm.
Dont know if that was just added or its been there all along.
Dean Takahashi said:
Skittzo0413
Member
There shouldn't even be any controversy here. The article quite flatly says that the Switch should be far more powerful than anyone here was guessing- wondering whether or not it surpasses the XB1. People on the first page of this thread are reacting the opposite way they should based on this article and it's seriously remarkable.
The article is definitely bullshit in its conclusions, but it could have accurate insider info (Maxwell architecture). The problem is, just saying Maxwell means literally nothing for how this will perform since Maxwell can be made on 16nm just like Pascal can. So it might be accurate but it's still 100% worthless info alone.
No, Pascal is very, very similar to Maxwell and on a 16nm process node, but a customized Maxwell on 16nm would be a bit of a different product from Pascal. Also manufacturing on 16nm is cheaper than going with 20nm, so that would be the cheaper option regardless of architecture.
That was added later, which indicates that it's his own speculation and not the inside info he has. Which means it's BS.
It was added. Dean's probably checking the thread routinely.
edit: and 20nm is an EOL process. It was probably added because that's what a stock Maxwell uses.
We have a clear time and date, when they will have a giant info dump. People are just impatient.
PS2 was ~155m.
Skittzo0413
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Yeah but we don't know if they will choose to fully release specs. They definitely should, because the endless guessing and speculation actually causes more harm than good for their image.
His maxwell = cartoony graphics - pascal = realistic graphics it's what irks me the most because it's fucking stupid.
killatopak
Member
good luck with the battery,
Well because they're largely the same chip. Pascal is a customized die shrunk Maxwell. The NX chip will also likely be a customized die shrunk Maxwell.
Zombie James
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No one's sticking a 980 Ti in a handheld.
Memorabilia
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Shield 3.0 with a Nintendo badge, confirmed?
Tongue-in-cheek "I told you sos" aside, this is pretty underwhelming if true. They're gonna stick a 750 Ti in there n call it good aren't they? *sigh*
Tongue-in-cheek "I told you sos" aside, this is pretty underwhelming if true. They're gonna stick a 750 Ti in there n call it good aren't they? *sigh*
Skittzo0413
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The point is the entire premise of the article is utter bullshit. The article is saying Maxwell = weak because Pascal = too hot for a handheld.
Then goes on to say 1TFlop of performance and possible more powerful than XB1. It's all over the place.
forknknife
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Switch are just refurbished unsold Nvidia shields in a new casing, confirmed.
But, seriously, all the games they've shown look exactly the same as the Wii U versions so I'm not surprised at all if this becomes true.
Nintendo stuck to GameCube level of graphics for the Wii and, in the same way, Nintendo will stick to Wii U graphics for switch.
The way Nintendo thinks, it's all about the gameplay and having Wii U graphics on a handheld it's amazing enough. Of course that's not what we want, we want ps4 graphics on a handheld (albeit downscaled to 720p) but that's asking too much from Nintendo.
They will sell the switch for super cheap so that it will be an impulse buy for many.
But, seriously, all the games they've shown look exactly the same as the Wii U versions so I'm not surprised at all if this becomes true.
Nintendo stuck to GameCube level of graphics for the Wii and, in the same way, Nintendo will stick to Wii U graphics for switch.
The way Nintendo thinks, it's all about the gameplay and having Wii U graphics on a handheld it's amazing enough. Of course that's not what we want, we want ps4 graphics on a handheld (albeit downscaled to 720p) but that's asking too much from Nintendo.
They will sell the switch for super cheap so that it will be an impulse buy for many.
The original DS was bulky and ugly, it was the DS Lite that really pushed sales. The Switch is a good design from the start so it shouldn't have that problem.
Did I say someone will?
I just stated the Maxwell architecture doesn't mean it will underperform compared to PS4 and XboxOne. I believe it will underperform compared to those consoles, going by Nintendo's track record, but not because Maxwell.
Yep, complete nonsense. Let's move on!
wonderful103
Member
Ps4 graphics in a Handheld, with the constraints of both surface area and price... only wii u graphics...
Are you guys even reading what you type? The laws of physics haven't gone away, you know. Jesus.
And the fact that this is in a thread discussing maxwell vs Pascal, of which there are so few differences outside of 16nm vs 20nm (again, not massive) they aren't even worth pointing out, is making my brain hurt.
If you care about visuals beyond a fanboy dick waving contest, you'd invest into PC gaming.
Edit: nice stealth edit. And by nice, I mean blatant.