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[Dark_3nergy]

This is expected at this point. Nintendo has had a history of this by now. Common folks, you will probably get this for first party games any way, which would run fine on it. If folks care a lot about visuals, you will get 3rd parties on your PS4 pro or the Xbox Scorpio.

Or PC if they are a PC person.

 

[MacTag]

The original DS was bulky and ugly, it was the DS Lite that really pushed sales. The Switch is a good design from the start so it shouldn't have that problem.

With DS Lite it shot into the stratosphere but the turnaround happened before then. In the US it was really with Nintendogs in August, then Mario Kart and Animal Crossing for the holidays.

 

[Oppo]

well i thought this might be the case. a bit of a shame but not surprising.

i expect 720p across the board, upscaled to 1080p in docked mode.

if it's native 1080p while docked that's great but i am absolutely not expecting that now.

 

[Hermii]

Switch are just refurbished unsold Nvidia shields in a new casing, confirmed.

But, seriously, all the games they've shown look exactly the same as the Wii U versions so I'm not surprised at all if this becomes true.

Nintendo stuck to GameCube level of graphics for the Wii and, in the same way, Nintendo will stick to Wii U graphics for switch.

The way Nintendo thinks, it's all about the gameplay and having Wii U graphics on a handheld it's amazing enough. Of course that's not what we want, we want ps4 graphics on a handheld (albeit downscaled to 720p) but that's asking too much from Nintendo.

They will sell the switch for super cheap so that it will be an impulse buy for many.

1. They are ports of Wii U games so they naturally look like Wii U games.

2. Its impossible to do a proper comparison based on the reveal trailer and that was non final code. For all we know they are running 1080p on Switch.

 

[Bowl0l]

No, Pascal is very, very similar to Maxwell and on a 16nm process node, but a customized Maxwell on 16nm would be a bit of a different product from Pascal. Also manufacturing on 16nm is cheaper than going with 20nm, so that would be the cheaper option regardless of architecture.

Nvidia definitely did their best for Maxwell but i doubt Maxwell can be better than their superior product, Pascal, a product designed for mobile.

If Nintendo wanted it to be cheaper, they would just order Pascal. Nvidia gave away Maxwell to Nintendo so that Nintendo can use up their 20nm wafer orders. Why would Nvidia redesign Maxwell to a smaller node without charging an arm and a leg? Nvidia is not a charity organisation.

 

[brochiller]

Switch are just refurbished unsold Nvidia shields in a new casing, confirmed.

But, seriously, all the games they've shown look exactly the same as the Wii U versions so I'm not surprised at all if this becomes true.

Nintendo stuck to GameCube level of graphics for the Wii and, in the same way, Nintendo will stick to Wii U graphics for switch.

The way Nintendo thinks, it's all about the gameplay and having Wii U graphics on a handheld it's amazing enough. Of course that's not what we want, we want ps4 graphics on a handheld (albeit downscaled to 720p) but that's asking too much from Nintendo.

They will sell the switch for super cheap so that it will be an impulse buy for many.

Do price even read the article?

 

[Eliseo]

This is expected at this point. Nintendo has had a history of this by now. Common folks, you will probably get this for first party games any way, which would run fine on it. If folks care a lot about visuals, you will get 3rd parties on your PS4 pro or the Xbox Scorpio.

Or PC if they are a PC person.

omfg at this point I don't know if I should cry or laugh, seems no one is fucking reading.

 

[Mokujin]

If this thing isn't faster than a 750 TI....I'm out

750 TI is faster than Ps4, where you expecting that?

Not sure this needed it's own thread as Maxwell or Pascal are basically the same architecture, if the article gave us some extra info about fab process could have had some real meaning.

 

[Kikorin]

You are telling me I can't expect to play 4K native games on an handheld machine probably sold for less than 300$?

Reading this thread and the article I've understand:

- If they go with Pascal we will have a PS4 level of performance handheld machine with a lot of ports and praise of the god;
- If they go with Maxwell we can expect a console that barely equal Wii U level of performance and that can only play cartoon games.

Seems fair.

 

[The_Lump]

Are we seeing the start of post-fact games journalism?! Jesus Christ this thread.

So many people acting like anyone was expecting PS4 level specs. It was always rumoured to be sub-Xbone on paper. Right from the start. And that hasn't changed.

Suddenly because a site makes an uninformed click-bait article, history has been rewritten and apparently it's a revelation and we're all supposed to be drowning in fanboy tears, or something.

 

[Rodin]

Did I say someone will?

I just stated the Maxwell architecture doesn't mean it will underperform compared to PS4 and XboxOne. I believe it will underperform compared to those consoles, going by Nintendo's track record, but not because Maxwell.

It will "underperform" compared to those two because it will be a ~5W SoC that needs to run cool in a tablet sized hardware. Not "because Nintendo".

Are we seeing the start of post-fact games journalism?! Jesus Christ this thread.

So many people acting like anyone was expecting PS4 level specs. It was always rumoured to be sub-Xbone on paper. Right from the start. And that hasn't changed.

Suddenly because a site makes an uninformed click-bait article, history has been rewritten and apparently it's a revelation and we're all supposed to be drowning in fanboy tears, or something.

.

 

[BGBW]

The way Nintendo thinks, it's all about the gameplay and having Wii U graphics on a handheld it's amazing enough. Of course that's not what we want, we want ps4 graphics on a handheld (albeit downscaled to 720p) but that's asking too much from Nintendo.

So you thought Nintendo could squeeze the power of the PS4 into a slim handheld system when Sony barely made their Slim model much smaller than the original PS4?

 

[Ooccoo]

This is why gaming sucks. People complain about graphics all the time. I'll take less power if the games are worth it. Consoles are not defined by tech but experiences like The Last Guardian which could have been a Switch title. Tech powerhouses usually end up being very shallow in content. So in other words, I am not worried about the Switch being an upgraded Wii U. Portable and console gaming on the same system is big enough news to make me get it, plus the big exclusives.

 

[tkscz]

Switch are just refurbished unsold Nvidia shields in a new casing, confirmed.

But, seriously, all the games they've shown look exactly the same as the Wii U versions so I'm not surprised at all if this becomes true.

Nintendo stuck to GameCube level of graphics for the Wii and, in the same way, Nintendo will stick to Wii U graphics for switch.

The way Nintendo thinks, it's all about the gameplay and having Wii U graphics on a handheld it's amazing enough. Of course that's not what we want, we want ps4 graphics on a handheld (albeit downscaled to 720p) but that's asking too much from Nintendo.

They will sell the switch for super cheap so that it will be an impulse buy for many.

You mean ports of Wii U games look like Wii U games? I'm shocked. here, Here's a game that is "supposedly" running on the Switch according to the developers. This should give you a better idea of what it can run.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Rumors are rumors.

But I'm sure of one thing; this article is written like someone who works for a high-school newspaper.

Also, people's expectations for this thing... What happened? In what world did people think a handheld form factor was going to push more power than a console? I feel like people came out of the woodwork on this to bash the system when I'm not sure I've seen many suggest prior that it would even be more powerful than an Xbox One.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Nvidia definitely did their best for Maxwell but i doubt Maxwell can be better than their superior product, Pascal, a product designed for mobile.

If Nintendo wanted it to be cheaper, they would just order Pascal. Nvidia gave away Maxwell to Nintendo so that Nintendo can use up their 20nm wafer orders. Why would Nvidia redesign Maxwell to a smaller node without charging an arm and a leg? Nvidia is not a charity organisation.

We have confirmation from Nvidia themselves that the Switch uses a custom SoC, so why would Nvidia be charging Nintendo more for a customization consisting of a die shrink than they would for any other customization? Especially when the die shrink removes some of the manufacturing cost?

 

[LordKano]

well i thought this might be the case. a bit of a shame but not surprising.

i expect 720p across the board, upscaled to 1080p in docked mode.

if it's native 1080p while docked that's great but i am absolutely not expecting that now.

So you're expecting something less powerful than a Wii U. That's nonsense.

 

[Donnie]

But seriously though, let's just wait for benchmarks, reviews or an official statement about the specs from Nintendo.

I don't know why you're disappointed, if you take this rather silly article literally about what it says on performance then its brilliant news.

 

[AmyS]

His maxwell = cartoony graphics - pascal = realistic graphics it's what irks me the most because it's fucking stupid.

Very irritating, and yet, he was the author of these books:

- Opening the Xbox: Inside Microsoft's Plan to Unleash an Entertainment Revolution (2002)

- The Xbox 360 Uncloaked:: The Real Story Behind Microsoft's Next-Generation Video Game Console (2006)

Which were both pretty good and accurate from what I recall.

 

[Bowl0l]

We have confirmation from Nvidia themselves that the Switch uses a custom SoC, so why would Nvidia be charging Nintendo more for a customization consisting of a die shrink than they would for any other customization? Especially when the die shrink removes some of the manufacturing cost?

You forgot that Nvidia have to get rid the 20nm wafer orders?

 

[@Wreck]

will wait for switch 1.5

nintendo mostly for my kids

 

[AmyS]

His maxwell = cartoony graphics - pascal = realistic graphics it's what irks me the most because it's fucking stupid.

Yep I agree, and yet, he was the author of these books:

- Opening the Xbox: Inside Microsoft's Plan to Unleash an Entertainment Revolution (2002)

- The Xbox 360 Uncloaked:: The Real Story Behind Microsoft's Next-Generation Video Game Console (2006)

Which were both pretty good and pretty accurate from what I recall. That makes this article even more stupid.

 

[Oppo]

Are we seeing the start of post-fact games journalism?! Jesus Christ this thread.

So many people acting like anyone was expecting PS4 level specs. It was always rumoured to be sub-Xbone on paper. Right from the start. And that hasn't changed.

Suddenly because a site makes an uninformed click-bait article, history has been rewritten and apparently it's a revelation and we're all supposed to be drowning in fanboy tears, or something.

i agree with you on power and expectations, but don't get your nose bent on people wildly speculating, it's nothing new.

 

[mavericktopgun]

You mean ports of Wii U games look like Wii U games? I'm shocked. here, Here's a game that is "supposedly" running on the Switch according to the developers. This should give you a better idea of what it can run.

That looks great.

 

[Skittzo0413]

You forgot that Nvidia have to get rid the 20nm wafer orders?

What? Isn't that complete speculation with no grounding in any sort of fact or even rumor?

 

[@Wreck]

I feel like if i just ignore all coverage of switch, i'll not buy it like other nintendo products i have passed by

nintendo ips are great but,









still bitter about that wii man

 

[Okami Haundo]

I had an initial reaction to this article of just being plain confused. It seemed poorly written and overly negative for a "report". After having some time to mull over the details along with some takes from educated Gaf users, I think this sounds better than I expected!

I wanted Switch to just be better than the Wii-U, but it sounds like it might come close to my Xbox One. If there's any chance that I might get Overwatch on a portable, then holy shit!

It's really entertaining to re-read this and see how strangely the author presented comparisons of power. He acts as if there's a grand canyon-sized gulf in power between the PS4 and Xbox One. As if both consoles don't get the same third party titles... Hell, I'll be more than happy to have a Nintendo console that can handle current-gen games.

 

[DrWong]

That looks great.

And it's not running on a Switch kit yet, that's pc footage.

 

[Xdrive05]

I just really hope this thing can do native 1080p docked. I can handle "cartoon" graphics (yeah, I know), but FFS can we at least get a clean image this time around, Nintendo?

Then again, sounds like games will be designed around the 720p output in port mode. So I doubt we'll get THAT much of a processing up-clock when docked. I bet it will either be upscaled 720p, or maybe native 900p if we're lucky. And I'm just talking about the general targets here. Some games will be able to hit 1080p, and others not, under this speculation.

But aliasing on my Nintendo games is so damn annoying. They don't need to be bleeding edge poly counts and texture resolutions. But goddamn can we at least get a clean 1080p image this time around?

 

[AmyS]

That looks great.

If only it was actually Switch footage. It's not. That's running on a PC.

Beaten:

And it's not running on a Switch kit yet, that's pc footage.

 

[forknknife]

So you thought Nintendo could squeeze the power of the PS4 into a slim handheld system when Sony barely made their Slim model much smaller than the original PS4?

I say "we" in a loose manner actually referring to those delusional enough to expect that kind of power in a handheld. Of course everybody would love the switch to be that powerful but it won't.

I personally never expected or expect Nintendo to deliver anything close to ps4. I think the switch will be as powerful than the wiiu in handheld mode and slightly more when docked but still closer to Wii U than to Xbox one.

 

[Kikorin]

I just really hope this thing can do native 1080p docked. I can handle "cartoon" graphics (yeah, I know), but FFS can we at least get a clean image this time around, Nintendo?

Then again, sounds like games will be designed around the 720p output in port mode. So I doubt we'll get THAT much of a processing up-clock when docked. I bet it will either be upscaled 720p, or maybe native 900p if we're lucky. And I'm just talking about the general targets here. Some games will be able to hit 1080p, and others not, under this speculation.

But aliasing on my Nintendo games is so damn annoying. They don't need to be bleeding edge poly counts and texture resolutions. But goddamn can we at least get a clean 1080p image this time around?

We can have 1080p even on Wii U, look at Smash Bros. Is a developer choice.

Anyway lot of developer will always priorize graphics vs resolution and framerate (except for Nintendo and few others). Xbox One is supposed to be more powerful than Switch and about all games are not 1080p, so is about impossible that Switch will have 1080p games (at least the third party ones).

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

If it's actually still a big performance leap, I don't care about the architecture. 1 TF fp32 would actually be more than I thought we were going to get out of the system. I just don't want the system to be Wii U-level graphics with some extra bells and whistles.

 

[Kebiinu]

Every now and then you think GAF is above it all, until a topic like this comes around.

We were never getting a PS4 level console, with this handheld hybrid. Open your eyes, please.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

I've been reading this a lot lately, but I don't have the knowledge the say if this is really possible.

Is realistic to think that only a overclock could move the resolution from 720p to 1080p?, because it seems a lot for me.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Every now and then you think GAF is above it all, until a topic like this comes around.

We were never getting a PS4 level console, with this handheld hybrid. Open your eyes, please.

It's been my impression reading this thread that most of GAF wasn't expecting PS4-level power. I mean, we haven't been in any of the specs threads that have been around for months.

I think more people are just imposing the stupid article's click-bait title as the reason for the reactions in this thread.

 

[Interfectum]

Every now and then you think GAF is above it all, until a topic like this comes around.

We were never getting a PS4 level console, with this handheld hybrid. Open your eyes, please.

The majority of GAF never believed Switch was on par with PS4. Almost every piece of info and leak we've received has said the power is in between Wii U and Xbone. This article doesn't change that.

Honestly, I see more people posting "lol Nintendo fans expecting PS4 graphics" than actual Nintendo fans posting there will be PS4 level graphics.

 

[KHlover]

I'll save this thread and every time in the future someone spouts nonsense above NeoGAF being a better forum than GameFAQ I'll link it. Delusions of grandeur.

 

[Zedark]

I've been reading this a lot lately, but I don't have the knowledge the say if this is really possible.

Is realistic to think that only a overclock could move the resolution from 720p to 1080p?, because it seems a lot for me.

It is not really an overclocking - rather it is an underclock for the handheld mode. So, if the docked mode runs at full (or slightly over full) clock speed, then the handheld is clocked down significantly because of heat and battery constraints.

 

[Xdrive05]

I've been reading this a lot lately, but I don't have the knowledge the say if this is really possible.

Is realistic to think that only a overclock could move the resolution from 720p to 1080p?, because it seems a lot for me.

I don't think that's realistic. Unless it is so unbelievably underclocked in portable mode, for battery life reasons, that it actually triples the clock speed when docked. In that case I would say 720p-1080p is a reasonable expectation. You know, something like 200gf-600gf. But that would be stupid to gimp the performance that much in portable mode, IMO.

Something like hardware up-scaling of the 720p image when docked is far more likely, and would avoid the challenges of resolution change. I'm hoping for a middle ground solution myself where we do get a higher native resolution, even if it's not 1080p. But fully expecting the upscale only solution. We're talking about Nintendo here.

 

[ironcreed]

Well, even the lowly Wii U could surprise with what it could do at times, so I think something that is nearly or about on par with the Xbox One for around $200-$250 would be fantastic. The games will look great.

 

[Markoman]

Every now and then you think GAF is above it all, until a topic like this comes around.

We were never getting a PS4 level console, with this handheld hybrid. Open your eyes, please.

Most are just afraid that they will get another Yamcha console. I kinda enjoy my daily dosis of drama here on Gaf, but yeah it would be easier for some folks if they just accept that Nintendo stays in "Z" while Sony, PC, and MS are "GT" now.

 

[Bowl0l]

What? Isn't that complete speculation with no grounding in any sort of fact or even rumor?

Sorry for the inaccurate post but you have to agree that this post sounds believable Thraktor

 

[Astral Dog]

This thread, man...

Im scared 😦

 

[Liabe Brave]

* 50 million, and PS2 sold 155 million with inferior hardware, and wII 100+ million.

PS4 doesn't fit the argument becuase it's the most powerful console available. And PS2 doesn't fit it because it came out ~20 months* before the superior consoles it competed against. Only Wii fits.

But none of that really matters anyway, because Switch is a portable console. It's not germane comparing its power level to home consoles.




*

One year later in NA.

The NA date is not very relevant because the actual launch time meant software was being developed for the system years earlier.

 

[Bulbasaur]

Ive said this many times, like what the fuck do you expect for 250 dollars?!? This is Nintendo we're talking about.

 

[LelouchZero]

750 TI is faster than Ps4, where you expecting that?

Not sure this needed it's own thread as Maxwell or Pascal are basically the same architecture, if the article gave us some extra info about fab process could have had some real meaning.

Nah it isn't faster really, it just took a lead in some of the titles in 2013-2015 due to things such as CPU advantages in i3 and upwards equipped builds.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

I can't believe anybody was expecting PS4 graphics. We know what the Nvidia Shield can do. It maxes out at Crysis 3 graphics on medium-low settings.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Sorry for the inaccurate post but you have to agree that this post sounds believable Thraktor

But like he said there, it's just a theory. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest anything like that. So let's not treat it like it's even a rumor.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

We need a read article first before posting comment header for threads with news articles.

That way some one like Thraktor can rip it to shreds, and we can avoid drive-bye post.