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VG Leaks details PS4's 'dual camera'
- Thread starter gofreak
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I'm talking about the PS3 Eye.
Eyetoy = PS2
PS Eye = PS3
Both came out before Kinect.
But unlike MS, Sony didn't let anyone know it existed. Although, most of the games for them were shitty. I do remember some of the tech demos looking really cool though. They had some pretty creative ideas.
Nexus Zero
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No, it is still a 2D image so would appear flat. It would have its applications, but it would still look flat. There are those Wii videos with the targets popping out of the screen but that only looks like that because it's being filmed with a 2D camcorder - in person, it wouldn't look that way.
Chuck Norris
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semiconscious
Gold Member
i'll see you & raise you - 5d! with thought-control input!...
funkystudent
Member
You mean you will never forgive Sony? Because the Eyetoy started this.
Well maybe in a weird way Dance Dance Revolution started the "jump around like a idiot" genre and motion games just continued it.
God damn it Konami.
Is there anyone else out there who hates being photographed and filmed all the time and wishes that this trend of seemingly every electronic device containing a camera -- particularly a camera that faces the user -- would come to an end?
Seriously, I have no desire whatsoever to film or take pictures of my own face. I don't need a user-facing camera on my phone, I don't need it on my Vita, I don't need it on my computer, and I certainly don't need it on my PS4.
Yeah, yeah, I know, "just don't use it!". But already society expects people to be comfortable with video chatting on Skype and sengind your photo to other players in online games (I love Wipeout 2048, but sorry othe rplayers, you don't get to see my ugly mug). Someone, please make it stop.
Seriously, I have no desire whatsoever to film or take pictures of my own face. I don't need a user-facing camera on my phone, I don't need it on my Vita, I don't need it on my computer, and I certainly don't need it on my PS4.
Yeah, yeah, I know, "just don't use it!". But already society expects people to be comfortable with video chatting on Skype and sengind your photo to other players in online games (I love Wipeout 2048, but sorry othe rplayers, you don't get to see my ugly mug). Someone, please make it stop.
I have a feeling that this will be bundled and Move will be separate.
That would make sense.
Even Nintendo has set the Wiimote as an optional thing with the main controller being more traditional.
Which is exactly why this needs to be separate.
I want a move controller with an analogue stick...
R10Neymarfan
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Blame the frau for going out and buying a Wii just because of the motion stuff. Every company followed because it is in and the hot new thing. General Joes and Janes eat this shit up!!!
yn-neko hates a cat
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You know it's a new generation when the average intelligence level of GAF noticeably falls 
My god [at the comments in] this thread!
rakkadakka
Member
Oh hey, what do you know, one large multinational corporation moving in on the established space of another.
Surprise motherfucker!
Surprise motherfucker!
Officerrob
Banned
It almost has to be in the box, or it's already dead.
I think this camera aspect of motion controls is here to stay unfortunately. I remember watching a video review for Nintendo Land and in one of the games it shows your face in the background as you progress through the mini game. In that instance having your face be a part of the game is entirely useless and deserves to be taken out.
However I would disagree with you and say that as long as the camera adds some kind of depth or insight into motion gameplay I am totally fine with it. Now, I'm not too sure if having our faces on the screen or having our faces captured for others has EVER added to the gameplay of any title.
amstradcpc
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With 2 cameras you can get the same results with 2 leds that with 1 camera and 1 sphere + gyros without needs to calibrate.
Now imagine the new dualshock with 2 leds or better, virtual 3d glasses with 2 leds, one on each side.
Now imagine the new dualshock with 2 leds or better, virtual 3d glasses with 2 leds, one on each side.
Then let it die and i'll stand by with a spade ready to bury the fucker
I've been so incredibly positive about next gen, but censor-less head tracking seems so useless with a single screen that doesn't move with you. Track IR seems useful for flight sims, but it has an actual censor. I guess I just don't trust Kinect style cameras yet. Even if I did it's still one screen. Oculus Rift or bust. Either way families love this and they probably need it to get those Kinect ports.
Psychotext
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They're exactly the same thing, but one has a higher resolution. I'm guessing you just don't understand that the Kinect camera has actual tech (infra-red emitters / detector) in it which allows the depth calculations? PS Eye, just like the eyetoy can only work with outlines (and again, only in the right light) unless you add the move controller to the equation.
If you're looking for the Microsoft ripoff of the Eyetoy, it's called the Live Vision Camera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live_Vision
should do. Original move needed big balls (!) to allow it to estimate distance by size. With two cameras (and some smaller LEDs or markers on the controller) you could do the same.
Nintendoland has some great games where it films you with the gamepad camera and the other players can see your face as you're running around and trying to hide etc. Its a lot of fun.
I don't care for shoehorned in motion, but simple voice activation, video/photo capture, and head tracking are nice uses for this kind of tech.
Headsets would be better.
But if not, this'll do. Hopefully it has noise cancellation, it honestly doesn't sound all that expensive. Lol.
Apex?
Cars on my left/right side?
Side-mirrors which are not fully visible from the cockpit?
Interior of the vehicle?
DESTROYA
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/08/sony-ps4-main-selling-point-new-playing-options/
I'm not sure how I feel about this, all I wan't to do is play games!
I'm not sure how I feel about this, all I wan't to do is play games!
Just let them think what they want to think.
Sony is only coming out with this dual camera setup because of the success of Kinect. No one in their right mind can dispute that.
Interfectum
Gold Member
Ugh...
oh no, PS4 to only have 1GB ram left for games!
... nothing? There's nothing special about the eyetoy, so Move would be perfectly compatible with the camera described in the OP.
sono
Gold Member
Sounds good.
But how can cameras by my tv can do head tracking for racing games.
When I am watching TV or playing (racing) games my head does not move, my eyes may move a tiny bit in between blinking, but they may not always be looking where I am steering.
Am I doing it wrong.
My head might turn if the cat bites me or my wife gives me food.
But how can cameras by my tv can do head tracking for racing games.
When I am watching TV or playing (racing) games my head does not move, my eyes may move a tiny bit in between blinking, but they may not always be looking where I am steering.
Am I doing it wrong.
My head might turn if the cat bites me or my wife gives me food.
FlutterPuffs
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Don't worry. They've been saying this since the PS2.
Tripp Daily
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Why would that not work? If everything on screen is relative to your own personal perspective than it should appear in 3d.
With head tracking it would position the view to something accustomed to what you should be seeing if you were looking at the image in real life. By moving your body and head side to side you would be able to see around objects (i.e. a gun in first person) further selling the trick, but not needed for the effect.
That camera was only used for video chat, no?
And no matter what technology the Kinect features, it does not refute the fact that controller less gaming was possible since PS2. And no, there actual differences between the PS3 Eye and Eyetoy.
The Wii's existence wasn't ignored because the Move was more technologically advanced or accurate(although, the Wiimote was still a better pointer).
Whatever, no point in discussing this any more.
Mikey Jr.
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Pretty much.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Oh that sounds scary.... apologizing in advance?
I feel a disturbance in the force.
Lmao. Let the media box games begin!
having this unified across two major systems will be a good thing. at least now developers can give critical thought into how such a thing might improve the game experience. if it doesn't, leave it out! it's just as tool.
i dunno, for me this is the first really interesting thing i've heard about the ps4 aside from the share button.
This never fails to crack me up.
Psychotext
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Did you even click the link?
Officerrob
Banned
So basically just like what tons of people have already been trashing Microsoft for...
InaudibleWhispa
Member
This is the logical progression of the Eyetoy model. This is Eyetoy on steroids. The same tech, but better in practically every way. Kinect is a different technology. It's an IR projector and a depth sensor. It has a separate RGB camera similar to the Eyetoy but that isn't used for tracking at all. It's like saying a car is a bike on steroids because they both do the same thing - get you from A to B - but one does it better.
Key word there, OPTIONS.
Stop freaking out people. They're probably not going to force you to waggle to play uncharted or whatever you already play on your Playstations. They might make it an option though, and there's nothing wrong with that.