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[Saberus]

I think the big thing here, and its sounds like something Sony would do, is a more adv. eye toy with head tracking would allow a 3D look without glasses.

Kind of like this below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dnMsmajogA

 

[KAL2006]

They better not pack this shit in, leave EyeToy motion bullshit out of my console. I don't wanna pay for stuff I won't use.

 

[kaching]

The thing with They are just Options!1 is that is we still know efforts on specializing core gaming have been sacrificed to some extent to make way for waggling gimmicks which will now come with the box. This is what is upsetting. I don't want to see PS4 revealed with Sony's Kinectimals and SonySports as titles on Feb 20th, or how head tracking has been implemented on Uncharted 4 and Killzone 4.

And the thing with "core gaming" is that it encompasses different things for different people. There's nothing that says these additional input mechanism can't accomodate, extend and enhance a variety of core gaming experiences.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I'm really very surprised by how tempered the reaction to this news had been. considering how much kinect is hated, I'd have thought this would result in a pretty bad response from those on here, but it's the exact opposite...

I wouldnt say the response is the exact opposite but the contrast at GAF between the two is pretty obvious.

 

[spwolf]

well I'm assuming that for vita, and I expect streaming the game video will be easy enough for other canvases. But the controls might be an issue - although playstation certification supports virtual buttons on smartphones I think? and android tablets/PCs could support dualshocks.

instant on + Wake on LAN + this = happy me.

yeah, it does... thats what I meant by them having to fuck off the idea that it has to be perfect... give us option of those controls like you have in PS Mobile and voila... if we dont like it, we wont use it but give us options.

Personally I cant use those things but my kids dont have some big issues with it.

 

[Shahed]

I'm really very surprised by how tempered the reaction to this news had been. considering how much kinect is hated, I'd have thought this would result in a pretty bad response from those on here, but it's the exact opposite...

Well part of the less than expected negative reaction is obviously down to the typical console warrior stuff. As for elsewhere?

I'm reacting to it the same way I reacted to Kinect. Wasn't really bothered since it was obviously not marketed to someone like me. But Kinect did eventually become annoying because it started to appear a focus instead new games at E3 and the like.

I have my reservations about whatever Sony is doing here, but as long as it's not forced on me and doesn't detract from actual games of substance, I couldn't care less

 

[Kenshin001]

I'm really very surprised by how tempered the reaction to this news had been. considering how much kinect is hated, I'd have thought this would result in a pretty bad response from those on here, but it's the exact opposite...

anyway, if it is a pack in, I assume it's going to be a big part of the console going forward? first party motion games in bound? seems very strange for them to pack in cameras but then not encourage their developers and third parties to use them.

I suspect we'll get the same as we're currently getting with kinect, some poor first party titles, some cash in party games and lots of games that make sure of the more basic features of the cameras like voice commands, etc.

I think most people, including developers, have realised how shit Kinect is and no longer see it as a threat to conventional gaming.

 

[Takuya]

They better not pack this shit in, leave EyeToy motion bullshit out of my console. I don't wanna pay for stuff I won't use.

They'll most likely pack it in with every console but sell at a loss. So you aren't paying for it.

On another note, this will be interesting. They could pull of some neat 3D effects with the dual camera.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

And Sony sounded like they were gonna nail the PS4 out of the park. Now they have their own Kinect...

They have always had their own kinect, since PS2 infact.

 

[Violater]

camera movement with small motions of your head. Google TrackIR and there are some demo videos.

eg lets you look towards the apex of a corner, or check your surroundings in a racing game, or look around a virtual cockpit in a flight sim.

The big limiting factor for me is that you have to keep looking at the screen ahead of you, so you aren't really 'looking around' as such, more like having the right analogue stick attached to your head.

Which lends the question, whats the point?
I know it's speculation and all but some people seem to be forgoing any form of practical thought.
If a Camera comes in my PS4 box that is where it will most likely stay and I will be pissed that I probably had to pay extra for it.

 

[Gorillaz]

Not surprising, both MS/Sony have to do something like this.


Hopefully this doesn't bump up the cost of the SKU.

 

[Takuya]

I'm really very surprised by how tempered the reaction to this news had been. considering how much kinect is hated, I'd have thought this would result in a pretty bad response from those on here, but it's the exact opposite...

anyway, if it is a pack in, I assume it's going to be a big part of the console going forward? first party motion games in bound? seems very strange for them to pack in cameras but then not encourage their developers and third parties to use them.

I suspect we'll get the same as we're currently getting with kinect, some poor first party titles, some cash in party games and lots of games that make sure of the more basic features of the cameras like voice commands, etc.

If it is packed in with every Playstation 4 console, they can advertise the platform as having X,Y,Z features in every console. For example, if they use the dual camera for video chat/video conferencing/in-game video broadcasting etc, they can be like "right out of the box you have this capability". And then even expand on it with "with the dual cameras, we're able to project you in 3D, and again, this is a feature in every console."

This is great as opposed to showing potential uses of optional/separate equipment. It's a checkmark on every box you sell.

Which lends the question, whats the point?
I know it's speculation and all but some people seem to be forgoing any form of practical thought.
If a Camera comes in my PS4 box that is where it will most likely stay and I will be pissed that I probably had to pay extra for it.

Head tracking is more than just rotational tracking.

 

[daoster]

The problem I see here:
- If this is not included in every system, why bother? It'll fade into obscurity like their past peripherals
- if this IS included in every system, why? Why are you driving the freaking price up?

 

[corn_fest]

Honestly, I hope this is packed in with the console. It would be cool to have a guaranteed microphone/webcam for everyone. Some things I can see them doing:

• Video calls through PSN (already a feature, but could become more of a focus if everyone has a camera)
• Having Kinect-esqe voice/motion navigation from day 1, stealing some of Microsoft's thunder about those features
• Built-in AR games like the 3DS to show off system features and serve as a psuedo-pack in
• Implementing things like Burnout Paradise's snapshots in more games

Also, this way they can increase Move adoption, since you would only need to buy the controller and not the camera (assuming they keep the same Move hardware)

 

[pringles]

*could not log in, user not recognized*

*try again after cutting you hair and losing some weight you fat slob*

*shutting down console*

 

[Derrick01]

Swipe touch pad to dodge! Swipe touch pad to dodge!

Nod head to say yes! Nod head to say yes!

Sounds like Sony is just taking every gimmick of the last 7 years and throwing them into one console.

Sounds like the Vita. I just hope with PS4 they're optional and not part of the system. I do not want to give them money for something I will throw in the trash on day 1.

edit: Oh and of course don't make every launch game use it too. That's the worst part about the launch Vita games, they force every fucking gimmick imaginable.

 

[Takuya]

The problem I see here:
- If this is not included in every system, why bother? It'll fade into obscurity like their past peripherals
- if this IS included in every system, why? Why are you driving the freaking price up?

At the rumored price of ~$400 (399.99), I don't see how this drives the price up at all. If anything they'll pack it in at a loss.

 

[1-D_FTW]

The problem I see here:
- If this is not included in every system, why bother? It'll fade into obscurity like their past peripherals
- if this IS included in every system, why? Why are you driving the freaking price up?

If it's 399.99, though, who cares? That hardware was never going to sell for less than that. And since it's head and shoulders the most powerful console, people really can't complain there either. It clearly won't be included at the expense of better hardware.

If it's 399.99, people really won't have any complaints. Sony is just throwing it in at a loss because it wants it with every system. Use it or don't. But it won't be costing you any money. Nor would you have gotten any better hardware without it.

 

[Clay Davis]

I wouldnt say the response is the exact opposite but the contrast at GAF between the two is pretty obvious.

yeah, I guess people are just willing to give sony more leeway when it comes to them announcing motion gaming and other features that were lambasted when rumoured for durango.

Well part of the less than expected negative reaction is obviously down to the typical console warrior stuff. As for elsewhere?

I'm reacting to it the same way I reacted to Kinect. Wasn't really bothered since it was obviously not marketed to someone like me. But Kinect did eventually become annoying because it started to appear a focus instead new games at E3 and the like.

I have my reservations about whatever Sony is doing here, but as long as it's not forced on me and doesn't detract from actual games of substance, I couldn't care less

I hear ya, but if it's a pack in, it's undoubtedly going ot impact games, possibly even first party titles like lbp3, etc.

I think most people, including developers, have realised how shit Kinect is and no longer see it as a threat to conventional gaming.

you wouldn't guess it from the dozens upon dozens of negative posts about kinect whenever there's a thread about durango.

yet here, it's oddly balanced and level headed. very strange...

this is derailing the thread though, so let's leave here and pick it up in another thread.

 

[daoster]

At the rumored price of ~$400 (399.99), I don't see how this drives the price up at all. If anything they'll pack it in at a loss.

Even without the camera, some were questioning whether Sony could already hit that price point. I'm not technically inclined enough to argue either way.

With the dual camera, it doesn't sound like it'd be a cheap addition that would allow the price to stay at 399, though I'd love for somebody to tell me otherwise

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Why would Sony throw all these in for the exact same price they would've sold the console for anyway? I find it hard to believe this would be a packin in combination with the rumored specs for $400. MAYBE for $500 with a cameraless version for $450. Obviously the cameras won't be cheap. Sony can't lose hundreds per console and expect to survive.

 

[Withnail]

First bad Orbis news.

 

[Violater]

Head tracking is more than just rotational tracking.

Yes I understand this But I think we are a far way out from any practical application.

 

[KAL2006]

They'll most likely pack it in with every console but sell at a loss. So you aren't paying for it.

On another note, this will be interesting. They could pull of some neat 3D effects with the dual camera.

I doubt they will pack it in, maybe they will have a SKU with one packed in but definitely they will sell the PS4 on its own as well. Sony want to make sure they can sell the PS4 as a low price as possible, expensive packs won't let that happen. Like every past EyeToy, I expect this to be an peripheral except maybe this one will be available day 1 as a pack in for another SKU. Motion gaming and shit like Move Fitness and Move Sports are appealing to casuals and most consoles are targeted at hardcore gamers in the beginning of the generation, then these casual motion fluff comes out later when a console gets cheap.

Notice how shit like Wonderbook and Kinect Sports starting appearing near the 2nd half of this consoles generation.

 

[Clay Davis]

If it is packed in with every Playstation 4 console, they can advertise the platform as having X,Y,Z features in every console. For example, if they use the dual camera for video chat/video conferencing/in-game video broadcasting etc, they can be like "right out of the box you have this capability". And then even expand on it with "with the dual cameras, we're able to project you in 3D, and again, this is a feature in every console."

This is great as opposed to showing potential uses of optional/separate equipment. It's a checkmark on every box you sell.

kinect 2.0 is rumoured to be bundled in with all consoles too and yet the reception toward that is less than positive or as level headed. it's pretty vitriolic at times and it's so aggressive that it often ends up polluting threads with garbage.

I find the difference in response more than a little surprising.

anyway, let's not derail this thread any further.

 

[Derrick01]

you wouldn't guess it from the dozens upon dozens of negative posts about kinect whenever there's a thread about durango.

yet here, it's oddly balanced and level headed. very strange...

this is derailing the thread though, so let's leave here and pick it up in another thread.

As I said in that last thread people have a lot more confidence in Sony's ability to satisfy core gamers, and keep satisfying them over the course of an entire generation, than MS. They dropped the Xbox 1 like a dead body and they pretty much abandoned them over the last 2 1/2-3 years of this gen with Kinect. You can't find history like that on Sony's 3 consoles.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I'm very okay with this news as long as it's not a huge focus of Sony's first party games. It's a good thing to include as a standard for the console, especially instead of a crappy headset.

 

[IMBored]

If it is packed in with every Playstation 4 console, they can advertise the platform as having X,Y,Z features in every console. For example, if they use the dual camera for video chat/video conferencing/in-game video broadcasting etc, they can be like "right out of the box you have this capability". And then even expand on it with "with the dual cameras, we're able to project you in 3D, and again, this is a feature in every console."

This is great as opposed to showing potential uses of optional/separate equipment. It's a checkmark on every box you sell.




Head tracking is more than just rotational tracking.

They can also advertise it even if it's only on one SKU. Show the motion stuff on the commercials, to reel in some the Kinect crowd, then have a lower priced SKU without it for the rest. MS sold kinect like it was part of the standart Xbox sucesfully, for a while. Of course, that would split up the userbase.
That's just me whisfull thinking.

 

[famousmortimer]

Do not want.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Kinect is not just an eye toy like many are saying. And yes this is sonys answer to kinect. It sounds nothing like an evolution of eye toy.

 

[ekim]

Crossposting, so it doesn't get buried in the Kaz-Gif thread.

Found something in the source code of the german PS site:

http://de.playstation.com/

<div class="psf" style="left: 35px; margin-left: 10px;">                  
    <img src="/media/114284/Spotlight_logo_platinum.png" alt="" class="ctaLogo"/>
	<a href="/meeting2013/"  onclick="swfDcsMultiTrackInternal('/meeting2013/', 'WT.ac','PC-de_DE--spotlight-1-M580301-L0-Bleib immer auf dem Laufenden');"><strong class=""><span>Bleib immer auf dem Laufenden</span></strong></a>
    <p class="tagline"></p>
</div>

This code snippet represents the spotlight carousel .
the div class of this is named "psf" which could mean they will really name it Playstation Four.

To prove this, the next item in the carousel has "ps3" as div class and contains Trionefiance (a PS3 game) - so it's an obvious naming convention imho.
tl;dr:

I Hope you get my point

 

[Takuya]

kinect 2.0 is rumoured to be bundled in with all consoles too and yet the reception toward that is less than positive or as level headed. it's pretty vitriolic at times and it's so aggressive that it often ends up polluting threads with garbage.

I find the difference in response more than a little surprising.

anyway, let's not derail this thread any further.

In the latest rumor from EDGE, they mentioned Kinect 2 shipping alongside the new XBOX not with it.

 

[dorkimoe]

ugh. More tacky crap.

I understand it wont force you to use it, but you know sony will make devs put time and money into adding this into some games that dont need it

 

[Drek]

yeah, I guess people are just willing to give sony more leeway when it comes to them announcing motion gaming and other features that were lambasted when rumoured for durango.

The difference here being track record of core gamer commitment.

Sony has had an EyeToy/Move type add on since the PS2. We've never seen these features jammed into core gamer titles (Uncharted, Gran Turismo, etc.). The only time they've implemented them into a core gamer title was photo face modeling for their sports games (MLB: The Show) and a very strong motion based control method for SOCOM 4 and Killzone 3.

Meanwhile MS basically shuttered core 1st party development outside of two franchises (Halo and Forza) once Kinect got some market penetration, including making an iteration in a traditionally core franchise as a Kinect only mess (Fable:The Journey).

Trying out new things is great, abandoning your core to chase new things is not. Sony has consistently done the former, MS has shown themselves quite willing to do the later.

I say this as a person who finds the concept from both manufacturers to be interesting mind you, but MS' core gamer offerings are far more suspect than Sony's at this point.

Also, LBP with camera based motion controls sounds pretty fucking cool. Much better way to build levels if done right.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Kinect is not just an eye toy like many are saying. And yes this is sonys answer to kinect. It sounds nothing like an evolution of eye toy.

Really? Eyetoy supported gesture control. PS Eye had a microphone. It is definitely a next-gen Eyetoy.

 

[onQ123]

Too the people crying about the Camera driving up the price do you have smart phones & tablets without Cameras?


& what make y'all think that 2 720P cameras is going to raise the price so high?

 

[ascii42]

Kinect is not just an eye toy like many are saying. And yes this is sonys answer to kinect. It sounds nothing like an evolution of eye toy.

It's two Eyetoys duct taped together.

 

[Concept17]

Kinect eat your heart out.

But Microsoft owns Skype now. If they implement it from day one, their video conferencing wins.

Fuck Skype. Such a bloated, shitty program. Video works great, but everything else about Skype is awful.

 

[Sickboy007]

Crossposting, so it doesn't get buried in the Kaz-Gif thread.

Found something in the source code of the german PS site:

http://de.playstation.com/

<div class="psf" style="left: 35px; margin-left: 10px;">                  
    <img src="/media/114284/Spotlight_logo_platinum.png" alt="" class="ctaLogo"/>
	<a href="/meeting2013/"  onclick="swfDcsMultiTrackInternal('/meeting2013/', 'WT.ac','PC-de_DE--spotlight-1-M580301-L0-Bleib immer auf dem Laufenden');"><strong class=""><span>Bleib immer auf dem Laufenden</span></strong></a>
    <p class="tagline"></p>
</div>

This code snippet represents the spotlight carousel .
the div class of this is named "psf" which could mean they will really name it Playstation Four.

To prove this, the next item in the carousel has "ps3" as div class and contains Trionefiance (a PS3 game) - so it's an obvious naming convention imho.
tl;dr:

I Hope you get my point

Nice catch, calling it four would circumvent the japanese superstition about the number 4. Make a new thread!

 

[dragonelite]

Too the people crying about the Camera driving up the price do you have smart phones & tablets without Cameras?


& what make y'all think that 2 720P cameras is going to raise the price so high?

Microphone array ?

Is this all packaged into one device?
And software R&D is probably not that cheap too.

 

[Trogdor1123]

i dont know... im not too thrilled about this. Cant I just sit in my chair and not have to worry about my soon to be sentient PS4 stares at me... kinda creepy...

 

[UntoldDreams]

This will give them 3D Video Conferencing if you have a 3DTV.

That will be quite the bullet point.

 

[Takuya]

Crossposting, so it doesn't get buried in the Kaz-Gif thread.

Found something in the source code of the german PS site:

http://de.playstation.com/

<div class="psf" style="left: 35px; margin-left: 10px;">                  
    <img src="/media/114284/Spotlight_logo_platinum.png" alt="" class="ctaLogo"/>
	<a href="/meeting2013/"  onclick="swfDcsMultiTrackInternal('/meeting2013/', 'WT.ac','PC-de_DE--spotlight-1-M580301-L0-Bleib immer auf dem Laufenden');"><strong class=""><span>Bleib immer auf dem Laufenden</span></strong></a>
    <p class="tagline"></p>
</div>

This code snippet represents the spotlight carousel .
the div class of this is named "psf" which could mean they will really name it Playstation Four.

To prove this, the next item in the carousel has "ps3" as div class and contains Trionefiance (a PS3 game) - so it's an obvious naming convention imho.
tl;dr:

I Hope you get my point

Nope.

You should have inspected all the LI tags and you'd see that the PlayStation Plus one also has the same class applied to it.

<div class="psf" style="left: 35px; margin-left: 10px;">
                        
                            <img src="/media/tvW206px/PSPlusYourInstantGameCollection_LogoWhite_DE.png" alt="" class="ctaLogo">
							<a href="/playstationplus/" onclick="swfDcsMultiTrackInternal('/playstationplus/', 'WT.ac','PC-de_DE--spotlight-3-M577586-L285089-Spiel mehr, zahl weniger');"><strong class=""><span>Spiel mehr, zahl weniger</span></strong></a>
                        
                        <p class="tagline">Sichere dir mehr als 30 % Rabatt auf ein 90-tägiges PlayStation Plus-Abonnement und hol dir Sleeping Dogs ohne zusätzliche Kosten.</p>
                    </div>

I'd lean more towards PlayStation Family.

 

[ekim]

but but but... Playstation Plus will be also available for PSFour

 

[kaching]

yeah, I guess people are just willing to give sony more leeway when it comes to them announcing motion gaming and other features that were lambasted when rumoured for durango.

That might have something do with the fact that people have clearly seen that Sony has handled this kind of tech differently. They've been at it since the PS2 days and their trajectory for implementation has been much more gradual than the way MS handled the Kinect. The two companies track records are rather different in this arena after all. Context matters, Go Figure...

Edit: Naturally, Drek beats me to it, and says it better.

 

[Lord Error]

You clearly donot understand but yet you post.

I might have missed a crucial insight post that showed something I missed.

Meh..when does Valve come out with more info on the Steambox?

It will be a mini PC that plays same steam games that you already play on the PC you have now. What other info about it is important?

 

[Varodor]

EyeToy the beginning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XF-QGcnVp0

 

[AgentP]

I don't understand how they would know if it is bundled, they are obviously getting their info from Orbis SDK documents, not the BOM for the retail unit.

I'm betting Sony is going to have this available for $50 at retail so they can say "You like that voice and arm waving stuff, we can do it to".

 

[quest]

At the rumored price of ~$400 (399.99), I don't see how this drives the price up at all. If anything they'll pack it in at a loss.

Thats because they cut out silicon budget of the CPU and GPU to make room. Just like MS cut out silicon for the kinect. MS just had to cut more for kinect 2.0 and 3 gigs of OS ram.

 

[Uno Venova]

That might have something do with the fact that people have clearly seen that Sony has handled this kind of tech differently. They've been at since the PS2 days and their trajectory for implementing has been much more gradual than the way MS handled the Kinect. The two companies track records are rather different in this arena after all. Context matters, Go Figure...

I think it's easier for some to just go "both companies do motion, be equally mad at both!!11" Instead of actually acknowledging the context. Very poor form.