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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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soundscream
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statham
Member
I just bought 4 more hddvds for $8 this past week. I think I have all the good ones now.WTF is HD-DVD
Baconsammy
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There's nothing in the leak about it being a DVR. And I remember years ago when people whined about Netflix being added to consoles. "People don't want to watch movies on their video game console. It'll detract from the games!" How'd that work out? If Durango's cable tuner interface is as useless as TVii turned out to be, then yeah it'll be an afterthought (or a no thought) for most people.
A very interesting post by former MS bod bkilian over at B3D.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1697443&postcount=449
I thought it was interesting considering how many of us are concerned about how the xbox is moving forward. Here is a taster...
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1697443&postcount=449
I thought it was interesting considering how many of us are concerned about how the xbox is moving forward. Here is a taster...
oversitting
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It even BCs the ps3
seattle6418
Member
That's the wrong context. The thing is, to me there is no need to speculate if Microsoft is putting emphasis on more things than gaming or not, because it was very clear on their plans in the leaked document and also on everything we know about the hardware.
Of course there will be games, but even Proelite agrees with me that sacrifices/compromises will be made by a company that threats everything as a number one priority.
It would at least put some pressure on Sony to show their goods.
SneakyStephan
Banned
How depressing.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
You could argue the same on both sides tbh.
I was just trolling I know what it is
It lost to Blu-ray just like blu-ray is slowly losing to digital...
Meh :-/
Reallink
Member
This isn't some pie in the sky future tech, the hardware and functionality is already working and for sell right now. That something is the Slingbox 350 (or 500), it's nothing but a little HDMI passthrough box you place between any cable/sat box. It steams any live TV or recording to a webplayer (for your PC/Mac) or an Android/iOS/WinPhone app. Viewing isn't limited to your home network, it works to your 3G/4G mobile, or any other land line broadband connection. Dish Network also has the functionality built into their new Hopper DVR (Cnet's real Best of CES winner). Implementation into a console would just be about bringing the technology mainstream at an effectively lower price point (as it does more than just stream TV content).
Companies want profit is depressing news?
I think MS is actually in the best position of the 3, they have learnt from their hardware mistakes (which by the way they handled brilliantly).
They have the software expertise so their devkits should be even better for developers to work with.
Kinect is a hit in certain circles and they seem to be adding this tech into their box as the key piece that separates them from the other 2 consoles.
The xbox brand has a very reliable user base.
I think if they expand on what they have been doing while gaining some exclusive titles they will be just fine.
Key thing is they built their DNA in just 2 product cycles and it is working for them, now it's time to reap the profits.
Sony on the other hand as much as I love their products and first party software, they still don't seem to know what they are about. They want to think that people are still willing to pay a premium for quality and this will be enough to bank profits but keep failing in this regard.
He was mentioning this as a hypothetical, and the important part here is having latency similar to CPU L2 cache, not some data move awesome-sauce. 3dilettante mentions later in the thread that L1 cache hits on previous GPUs were typically 100+ cycles.
I doubt this is a thing basically.
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah nothing too shocking about this. You could say the equivalent Allard at Sony was Ken Kutaragi and he got his ass booted. I would imagine its the same environment at Sony, maybe even more so considering their financial position.
I don't think Sony or Nintendo are any different. In fact, hardware profitability has been Nintendo's absolute priority for many years now. Given the shaky state of Sony, I don't think they're willing to sink money with every PS4 sold either.
As for executives not being visionaries anymore, you could argue the same about Yamauchi vs Iwata and Kutaragi vs Hirai...
Jonsoncao
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Cell was double the flops of 360 cpu, while the GPU is not.
FWIW, I am listing the raw peak data here:
PS3
CPU: 230.4 GFLOPS
GPU: 400.4 GFLOPS
Total: 630.8 GFLOPS
360:
CPU: 115.2 GFLOPS
GPU: 240 GFLOPS
Total: 355.2 GFLOPS
The gap is bigger than that of PS4/720.
Can't really compare the flops of RSX vs. Xenos as RSX was a non-unified design and it was impossible to reach those flops. PS4/720 have pretty much the same basic shader block, which is good news for developers and makes the flops comparison a bit more grounded.
Also we all know that Nvidia FLOPS are like horsepower ratings of 60's muscle cars.
Ardenyal
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Difference is that MS is willing monetize anything and everything. Ads, Premium peer 2 peer online gaming, basic services locked behind paywall... Greed is not a good look on anyone.
Yeah. Sad to see the father of an iconic brand in gaming go like this. If it were not for his insistence Sony would not have got into this business in the first place. Wonder what he is doing now..
Yes you certainly could argue that but it just feels that the policy shift has been running longer and deeper at MS.
Thing is, the console I was playing 06/07 feels very different than the 360 today (not in a good way). The investment into 2nd party devs of high calibre all but disappeared. Forcing many to sell out to the likes of EA (yet MS didn't bid).
Hell, one of them even fired a parting shot at MS. Martyn Chudley of Bizarre Creations said "were getting disillusioned with Microsoft and they were getting corporate and cocky"
It just doesn't feed me with confidence
shinra-bansho
Member
AFAICS the Data Move engines aren't going to make up any computational difference, they might let software better exploit the 32MB scratch pad.
If that Scratchpad is low latency then it could make a large difference to the efficiency of the system.
IMO and from what I've been told, most shaders spend more time waiting on memory than they do computing values, if that pool of memory is similar to L2 Cache performance you'd be looking at a cache miss dropping from 300+ GPU cycles to 10-20. Hiding 10-20 cycles is a lot easier than hiding 300.
IF the ESRAM pool is low latency then I think the Durango architecture is interesting.
I've been told what the data move engines do, and they're useful, but in themselves they are not game changing IMO.
Clay Davis
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Betrayer of hope
Banned
I dont feel the same way about a next gen playstation console like the past three which ken was at the helm.
Ken defined playstation and was destined to lead sony corp. A true firbrand viisionary
whereas That bootlicker stringer ugh......
That's quite blunt. I think the most interesting part of it was the mention of "strategic" spending on Xbox/360, and how that is now over.
You really expected them to post $1B losses per year in the first 2 years after Xbox 3's launch? Of course that strategic spending would be over.
pr0cs
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This is my biggest worry for the nextbox.
Their platform feels so different than it used to. Since X06 the device never felt the same. I think it was just a changing of the guard but with the continual shut-down of their 1st party studios and reliance on 3rd parties to fill in the gaps in terms of software I'm concerned that the next xbox will be more of the same.
Which is why all the talk on hardware specs seems pretty pointless when we really don't know what direction they're going with software.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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No surprises there, any business needs to be self-sustainable in order to survive over long term, that's not limited to Microsoft. Limitations are not necessarily bad, they breed creativity.
somuchwater
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Sure it's sad, but it's also inevitable. Kutaragi is symbolic of the Sony of old - a company that was completely baffled by the internet. I'd much rather Sony focus on software and services innovation rather than exotic, expensive, marginally more powerful hardware.
Teletraan1
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I dont agree with this statement after a generation of multiplatform devs talking pure BS about platform parity between ps360 before their games launched or that the PS3 version was on par only to find that it was not. Hiding versions pre release, sending reviewers only 360 copies of the game all while preaching parity. Excuse me if I am skeptical.
Can Crusher
Banned
Well that sounds great...
Baconsammy
Banned
Obviously when I said "I" I meant my wife doesn't. She ruins everything. Except bedtime.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
What's also interesting is that there were people who thought Microsoft was dropping the ball with the 360 as well. That was a part of the reason Ed Fries left, he didn't feel like they were pushing for the best hardware anymore (here's a video interview where he talks about it; by the way, I forgot how good Kikizo used to be in that regard, they have a fantastic archive of interviews).
EDIT: I think some of you might also find these very interesting: Robbie Bach and J Allard interviewed about the 360 launch and the future of the Xbox, and Kaz Hirai's interview from 2006.
THE:MILKMAN
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Thinking about Durango's 8GB RAM and I remember the talk of memory chips and densities. Does anyone know how many RAM chips are expected in Durango?
Cheers for this!
And I couldn't agree with you more. Sony started this generation very corporate like with complacency becoming its middle name. You could tell they thought "playstation" guaranteed success.
As we know though, us gamers gave them a sharp kick to the love department, which does seem to have woken them up from their comfortable snooze.
MS though, just dont seem to be getting the same message we gamers are starting to send them to wake them from their own complacency. I just have a feeling that MS are going to pay the price for that next gen and I dont feel that MS shareholders will give them any reprieve from any such failure
Why is this MS spec sheet complacent, I saw a demo of what I can only imagine will be the Kinect 2 today and it looked very impressive. If they ship that with the Xbox next it will explain the relatively anemic budget for the hardware, basically I would not call MS out till we know everything about what is being shipped and price.
Primesense demo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4VtXvj4X0CE
oversitting
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Im guessing 8x 8Gb
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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hdmi port replicator manufacturers are the real winner for next gen business
WTF is HD-DVD
The superior HD format.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Damn my 720 knows about my froot loops addiction SHIIIIIIIIITTTT
8Gb modules exist in large quantities these days?
dragonelite
Member
Doritos secret sauce?
I think you are showing a very good reason why my interest in MS in the gaming sector is declining...
The term "jump in" is slowly being replaced by "run for the hills"