iceatcs
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And we haven't see the console yet. Finally reveal console model is like reannounce. Sony is on good position to keep the minds.
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And we haven't see the console yet. Finally reveal console model is like reannounce. Sony is on good position to keep the minds.
Syphon Filter
Member
not true.right now ms is on peoples mind since they are wondering when are they going to show their cards.they are the last ones left.
Syphon Filter
Member
i dont think sony willl win the advertising war.ms is just too much in that department.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Well Sony did advert/teaser for announcement event on Feb 20th really crazy. "See the Future" "Be The First To Know" Remember?
Soccer's CL billboard advert, millions view of youtube teaser etc..
Question is, are we going to see MS do the same for something 23rd April (I think :S)?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You can bet your life on it that Sony will flood the internet with new information on the day that MS reveal there console. Because of that, the 720 won't have quite the impact that the PS4 had, especially if they avoid revealing specs (given that the leaks are accurate). I still think that Sony only showed just enough to get noticed and they've got even bigger guns ready for such an occasion with the biggest guns being held back for E3
Their aim won't be to beat MS in their home town but rather to stymie any advantages they had with the 360. The other regions will just take care of themselves.
Their aim won't be to beat MS in their home town but rather to stymie any advantages they had with the 360. The other regions will just take care of themselves.
Wow gddr5 and ddr3 were almost exactly the same with amd.
BRocknRolla
Member
For some of the more dedicated ms gamers on the web? Sure. For your average person or gamers who were excited to see people finally talking next gen games? Nope.
Very few people are talking MS right now. Plenty talking about "next gen" but always in "PS4 and whatever MS ends up releasing." And on that front I think there are equal parts excitement and consternation for MS's eventual reveal. Beyond this thread, I'm just not seeing people talking MS. All that could easily change with a ton of MS marketing, but right now Sony's got the momentum for the next gen.
phosphor112
Banned
You're right. Nice catch.
I don't think this will be as big of a problem with HSA because the code will run on the CPU & GPU so the code that needs to be low latency will be sent to the CPU with it's L2 cache & the code that needs to be run in parallel will be sent to the GPGPU.
Bolt: A C++ Template Library for HSA at AFDS 2012
phosphor112
Banned
Anyone know the L1, 2 and 3 sizes of the Jaguar? It says "2MB" on VG Leaks, but that seems odd considering the current APU's being sold have 4MB.
Brad Grenz
Member
Each 4 core Jaguar module shares 2MBs of L2 cache, so 4MB total in the PS4. L1 is 32KB Instruction and 32KB Data.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Why you sound like MS will only have one conference?
Sometimes i saw the same reply like this,but i don't think MS will throw everything in their first announcement
Whoa, wasn't expecting that. I know the actual performance wouldn't be an issue but the numbers are way closer than they usually are there.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Forcing higher API means easier,not harder
But their should be some reason to forcing higher API,like big difference between dev kit and retail console
Yea but the BOM for the PS4 will be higher and GDDR5 runs way hotter than ddr3 so PS4 is a champion!
I don't think you understand what you was replying to.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Why do people talk about latencies anyway,even we talk about latencies,we should think about esram first
But it seems gaffer already confirmed PS4 will easily to kill 720 so no point to discuss anymore i think.
But it seems gaffer already confirmed PS4 will easily to kill 720 so no point to discuss anymore i think.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
We only know some medias said PS4 will slightly poweful than 720 but we don't know are they can trust.
PuppetMaster
Member
Higher level APIs generally mean easier to get up and running, but harder to extract max performance from.
You could compare a tricycle to a bicycle and say that is easier too. But when you want to go fast, that extra wheel that seemed so nice before, is just it is going to slow you down
You won't see the same. It was a lot harder to compare 360 and PS3 since they were very different architectures, and the PS3 in particular was extremely hard to develop for. Wildly different CPUs, different memory setups, and different GPUs.
That's different now. The PS4 and Nextbox have basically the same architecture. Hell, they practically have the same components with the exception of the memory differences and the slower GPU in the Xbox. So it won't be the same scenario as before. The system with more theoretical power will have better looking/performing games since theoretical power for both systems is based around the same math and architecture. And if all the leaks are indeed true (which I see little reason not to believe them at this point), a 600 gflop gap in performance is a pretty damn big gap.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Yeah,like 360
And medias(or developer) still said the PS4 is slightly powerful than 720,not big gap like we disscussing(that's why i am not sure can i trust them,or trust gaf)
dragonelite
Member
The 7xxx series should see some improvement if im not mistaken they have doubled the cache/constant sizes on the GPU.
It should be interesting to see what influences the low latencies Esram can have.
phosphor112
Banned
Do we know the speed differences for the L2 for this and other APUs?
:lol Yep.
Nope.
That's good to hear.
Nothing solves these problems, in a general case sense. These are just tools in a box, all of them 'just' alleviate the problem in different senses. It's true that memory closer to the processor is reducing latency rather than 'just' hiding it, but whether this matters to a frame of computation vs one specific task of computation might be a very variable/debatable thing. And close small memory won't reduce latency for all access, so it's not an absolute solution in that sense. It is a nice tool in the box though.
iceatcs
Junior Member
If Nvidia wasn't lied (1.8 TFLOPS GPU lol), PS3 would crush XB360.
This time, to see if Sony/AMD lie about their 1.84 TFLOPS on PS4 specs. And we have to wait to see Durango real specs to compare. So far we got the leaks - truth or not.
phosphor112
Banned
If they lied about the 1.84, then Durango certainly doesn't have the 1.23.
so can we realy assume that MS is not gonna show anything for GDC and let sony hog everything for itself ?
If true then this is just free advertisement for ps4 by anouncing BF4 and have DICE praise it to the hell and back
along with all the other developers who will anounce something while MS is pushed to the background.
*puts tinfoil hat on
Their complete silence regarding anything next gen consoles in terms of hyping shit up is making me wonder if they are encountering problems or if they truly where caught with their pants down by sonys reveal
or even worse they are now in complete panic mode right now of how much their console is not ready yet or how much weaker it is and will have to be delayed till 2014 .
while sony storms into the us market unopposed.
*removes tinfoil hat.
If true then this is just free advertisement for ps4 by anouncing BF4 and have DICE praise it to the hell and back
along with all the other developers who will anounce something while MS is pushed to the background.
*puts tinfoil hat on
Their complete silence regarding anything next gen consoles in terms of hyping shit up is making me wonder if they are encountering problems or if they truly where caught with their pants down by sonys reveal
or even worse they are now in complete panic mode right now of how much their console is not ready yet or how much weaker it is and will have to be delayed till 2014 .
while sony storms into the us market unopposed.
*removes tinfoil hat.
phosphor112
Banned
Xbox is confirmed for not being at GDC. There is a date supposedly in April though.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
April 26th, iirc......
Lack of presence @ GDC *is* a lost opportunity for microsoft no matter how you spin it..
Sony will monopolize all the developer next gen praises because they will not be able to talk about xb3 officialy...
The fact microsoft doesn't consider gdc an important enough venue to talk xb3 speaks volumes....
Entertainment first, developers/gamers 2nd?
:/
Lack of presence @ GDC *is* a lost opportunity for microsoft no matter how you spin it..
Sony will monopolize all the developer next gen praises because they will not be able to talk about xb3 officialy...
The fact microsoft doesn't consider gdc an important enough venue to talk xb3 speaks volumes....
Entertainment first, developers/gamers 2nd?
:/
Sho_Nuff82
Member
The PS4 isn't even available to preorder yet. MS is probably waiting for the end of their fiscal quarter (which has the Gears Judgment launch) so they can have a very clear picture of how the 720 announcement effects the 360 business in Q4.
phosphor112
Banned
dragonelite
Member
If you ask me GDC is not the place to reveal your console. Should have been this week or not. Im more excited for gdc because of the tech papers not really for the games.
And when they say other next gen consoles everybody knows they are talking about the 360.
Casual media sources if im not mistaken don't cover GDC anyway.
Most tech threads that are next gen based will be generic and focused on leveraging multicore low power CPUs or advanced GPGPU type stuff. It's only press releases etc that'll get things like PS4 mentioned specifically.
Although Sony will hopefully try and keep itself in the spotlight as much as possible while MS are forced to sit somewhat in the background
Although Sony will hopefully try and keep itself in the spotlight as much as possible while MS are forced to sit somewhat in the background
AgentP
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It has its own Amazon.com section in gaming, getting close!
You would at least expect something to be said even if it was the equivalent of squares
We will anounce something in april
'please be excited'
i don't know. it just seems strange that a company like MS who ordered an entire circus. MTV and the xbox love boat for their anouncement and made one of the biggest ruckuss about a game console in recent history is suddenly not giving a peep while their competition is gloryhoging all the attention and hype.
Going to be funny if EA announces Battlefield 4 as PC, PS4 and next-gen consoles. That's the beauty of revealing early.
phosphor112
Banned
Why is that? You know GDC is not only about consoles, but each year number of lectures on e.g. mobile gaming, web gaming, etc increases? Why would it suddenly become irrelevant, if it's practically the best place for devs to exchange their experiences and share the knowledge??
phosphor112
Banned
Nonsense!
Have consoles been announced at GDC in the past? Cause i don't remember it happening.
Sorry, I didn't mean the conference would become irrelevant, I meant that whether or not the 720 has been revealed before, at GDC, or after GDC will be irrelevant 6-7 years from now when the new generation ends.
My comment was for those who are saying no 720 @ GDC is a "lost opportunity" for MS. It just doesn't matter at all.
Ok, I'm lost - what's nonsensical about what I just wrote?? 8-/
gundamkyoukai
Member
THIS
It's cool that we get some info and stuff sometime but GDC is for devs to exchange ideas and learn stuff .
It's not about announcing it ON the GDC, but BEFORE it so that the devs could talk about it freely, press could report on it, games being announced, etc.
something fishy
Member
well that's the next gen over then. MS might as well not release now
Being serious I think we should wait and see what they actually announce before we compare actual specs to assumed specs and draw such conclusions.
phosphor112
Banned
Sarcasm =P
Ok, but wasn't the 360 first announced mere days away from E3 in 05? I don't remember much about GDC that year, but did they talk about it there?
Tripolygon
Banned
GDC = Game Developers Conference
This is an opportunity to give developers a first look at your platform. There was a record 22,500 attendees in 2012. That is the most developers you can ever get at any given place exchanging knowledge and ideas about codes, game engines of various kinds. Havok is debuting their next gen Physics Engine at GDC and many Middleware companies so PS4 gets a mention that they support it.
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