LiquidSword
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Suicide by cop my ass. Doesn't matter what this guy's intentions were. The cops are supposed to be trained to assess and deescalate a situation.
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Video shows cops fatally shooting Calif. teen on ground
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EatinOlives
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"No no no, the victim WANTED to die, you see..."
wesleyshark
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They did assess and deescalate the situation, technically.
Alex_Mexico
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Some news sites are out. Neogaf is so obscure in comparison here I'm sure Im the only employee out of 1,000 here that visits the site. It probably barely registers in their bandwidth radar.
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Shit they could have just tear gassed the guy
I remember when I was a kid hearing stories about how supposedly difficult it was for a cop to use his gun. That every time they fired a single bullet, there was a mountain of paper work and investigation and cops were almost afraid to use their guns because of how strict the rules were.
The bullshit they tell kids is astounding.
The bullshit they tell kids is astounding.
Those dismissing "Suicide by cop" seem to lack both empathy and an understanding about how American gun culture warps police conduct. It is a real thing.
Guns in America are plentiful and easy to acquire. A situation can escalate in a heartbeat because of it, because anyone can be a threat. People in the US are very aware of this, and thus there are people who will deliberately fake having a weapon in order to get themselves killed. They're using a cop in the same way someone uses a mack truck when they walk into traffic - both situations fuck up the person who's been put in a position to kill someone deliberately. And you don't need an actual fake gun to do that because it's a bluff that the police aren't able to safely call in many circumstances.
This set of videos made the rounds and shows an unambiguous case in action- a dude pulls a fake gun on two cops as they arrest him and gets shot- one even tries to go for a tazer but is too slow -https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/07/02/these-videos-of-a-texas-police-shooting-show-how-body-cameras-can-vindicate-good-cops/
This situation may or may not be one, but it's very much a real thing, and trying to deny its existence doesn't make you some virtuous crusader, it makes you delusional.
Guns in America are plentiful and easy to acquire. A situation can escalate in a heartbeat because of it, because anyone can be a threat. People in the US are very aware of this, and thus there are people who will deliberately fake having a weapon in order to get themselves killed. They're using a cop in the same way someone uses a mack truck when they walk into traffic - both situations fuck up the person who's been put in a position to kill someone deliberately. And you don't need an actual fake gun to do that because it's a bluff that the police aren't able to safely call in many circumstances.
This set of videos made the rounds and shows an unambiguous case in action- a dude pulls a fake gun on two cops as they arrest him and gets shot- one even tries to go for a tazer but is too slow -https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/07/02/these-videos-of-a-texas-police-shooting-show-how-body-cameras-can-vindicate-good-cops/
This situation may or may not be one, but it's very much a real thing, and trying to deny its existence doesn't make you some virtuous crusader, it makes you delusional.
I saw someone argue once that they can stop hearts if used improperly or even cause brain damage. No no, far too dangerous, better shoot them with actual bullets instead.
San Francisco banned them w/ this rationale. I wish I were kidding.
ReadingRambo
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You typically don't want your non-lethal means to kill people so it's understandable.
Amen.
The biggest issue with tasers is that many cops use them as tools for submission and not for apprehension. Again these tools should be last resorts not first resorts de-escaltaion needs to be a primary focus.
with this rationale, we should ban the police
old manatee
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I understand that it has legitimately happened before, I also happen to believe that it is an excuse that police have abused to the point that it is almost meaningless.
'Suicide by cop' should just be renamed 'interaction with cop'. At least in the US.
People aren't dismissing suicide by cop because they don't think it's a real thing. people are dismissing it because it's being thrown around in this instance, where a staggering amount of the person's psychology is assumed by people who possibly couldn't know, in a way that sounds suspiciously like victim blaming/rationalization for a police killing.
ReadingRambo
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I said this "reads like suicide by cop". If you read the article the police stated the man was acting like he was about to produce something from his waistband while saying "I hate my fucking life". That will get you shot more often than not and it's a frequent occurrence in other suicide by cop rulings. Stop trying to villainize people.
Boy, right back at you. You're pushing suicide by cop based on the words of the police chief, after video shows the cops shooting the guy on the ground when he posed no danger.
prelude514
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Suicide by cop lol. Some of you guys are fucked.
You sure bout that?
ReadingRambo
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Ok. Grind away.
Uh, yeah? I don't see what one random guy's comments have to do with what I wrote.
NobleGundam
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Rip me..
Edit: tragic story.
Edit: tragic story.
NobleGundam
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Wait are ppl actually posting "Suicide by cop" holy shit what is wrong with you...
old manatee
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Do you think it is AT ALL possible that he tried to raise his shirt because he had ALREADY been shot by police, and he was trying to assess the damage that was done to his physical person?
ReadingRambo
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Possible? Sure.
old manatee
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So if you were shot during a traffic stop you would just lie perfectly still and you wouldn't reach for your torso that had just been shot?
Galactic Barret
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Listen, I would absolutely say "I hate my fucking life" if I was being swatted/pulled over by 3 police officers with guns aimed at me. Thats a fucking horrible day in any standard; a bit of hyperbole on the 'suspects' part should be given leeway and should not be used to justify this suicide-by-cop... thing.
Now, we just saw a shooting of Philando Castile last night, when he was requested by officers to produce ID and registration. That movement got him shot 4 times.
We also saw the shooting of Alton Sterling, where you can clearly see that the act of being shot will cause you to move your hands almost involuntarily.
These shootings are wrong; the second amendment protects our right to bear arms, yet people are being killed for the slightest suspicion of carrying a weapon. Its Police officers and their training that is the problem. With 37 combined years on the force, they should have done a better job deescalating the situation without murder being the end result.
ReadingRambo
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Listen. I've watched the video and read the police account which is literally the only evidence to go on. I don't know why the police shot the guy other than they say he was acting like he was reaching for something. They also originally shot him because he turned, walked towards them while reaching into his waistband while saying "I hate my fucking life". This is a not-unheard-of scenario and it appears on first glance, with no other evidence, as a "suicide by cop" scenario. It may not be. There is a minute or so of unreleased footage from the police PoV and the full truth may come out when it is released. If you disagree then fine.
Rastafarian42
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Police brutality is a serious problem that effects everyone three senseless killings in the past three days by cops.
old manatee
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OK, but you still haven't explained why all of these police officers couldn't have apprehended this unarmed man without murdering him.
They have night sticks, pepper spray, tasers, rubber bullets, bean bag guns, tear gas, etc.
old manatee
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Suicide by cop is no excuse for this shooting.
Suicide by cop is a symptom of police abuse.
Suicide by cop is a symptom of police abuse.
ReadingRambo
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I haven't explained it because that was never my point. Ever. Not once did I condone it. I have only stated that people have used the fact that often police will respond with deadly force to threats (real or otherwise) of violence to end their lives. This phenomenon is known as "suicide by cop" and it is an official, legal cause of death in the US and UK and perhaps other countries.
The Jackdog
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who CARES if it was suicide by cop?
these are supposed to be trained officers of the law sworn to serve in protect.
Im pretty sure they dont teach "Whenever anything happens, pump it full of lead just in case" at the academy.
these are supposed to be trained officers of the law sworn to serve in protect.
Im pretty sure they dont teach "Whenever anything happens, pump it full of lead just in case" at the academy.
Galactic Barret
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Again, why is it suddenly suicidal to say 'I fucking hate my life' when FML has been an acronym since forever?
Thats bullshit.
Thats bullshit.
thelooseteeth
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Hmmm... I can't help but wonder why I feel disgusted and annoyed every time I see some one parrot "suicide by cop."
LiquidSword
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You just gonna quote me without my name hoping I wouldn't respond? My comment does not prove your point. You posted a story about a guy with a fake gun committing suicide by cop. Totally different situation than guy getting shot and then while he is writing on the ground shoot him some more.
old manatee
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In the future it will be explicitly illegal to hate your life. I plan to start all encounters with the police by declaring that I love my life, I love myself, and I am very optimistic about being pulled over.
I wouldn't want to give them the wrong impression and make myself eligible for immediate euthanization.
LMAO. Get over your inflated sense of self importance, it was faster than editing in the full quote tags.
I'm reserving judgement until the other footage is released here.
You accept the risks but you do not have to sacrifice or risk your life for anyone. Police in the US do not have a duty to die for you, you can research case law after case law and will fine that the police in the US have no duty to protect you either. Police have 1 main purpose in the US and it's to maintain peace/order by enforcing the law.
Police are provided training, gear, and powers to prevent them from losing their lives and minimizing the risk they face in the line of duty. Police operate from a standard of reasonable amount of force necessary if an officer reasonably believes they face injury or death. Believe is the keyword as the threat does not have to be real. Based on the totality of circumstances, an officer can legally shoot an unarmed man who is refusing to take out his/her hands from their pocket if they reasonably believe that the person could be armed. It's one of the reasons that suicide by cop exists in the US.
old manatee
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Maybe they'll find a weapon in that footage.
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