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Violent standoff between Cops and Protesters in Baltimore

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USC-fan said:
Really....

What do people have against the national guard now?

Insane... these are the same guys that went to war for this nation. Show some respect.
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Fuck out of here with that shit.

People in the military have plenty of ways to get food. Those people scrambling to centers and churches don't.

And I doubt have of those people in uniform were ever on a tour.
 
Script Kiddies LLC said:
Its such a silly ass question that's an obvious goddamn strawman that I didn't dignify it with a response, considering it was asked and answered already since you and that same person had been active in this thread. You're threadshitting and derailing the topic, which is not surprising.
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Why is it not surprising? What exactly have I said that make what I asked some sort of indicator of thread shitting? I've been posting in good faith in this mess of a thread, all you have done is call me a bigot and a thread shitter.
 
On CNN, YOOOO a black senator just came out and said, "You want to call those rioting and looting thugs? Let's be real and just call them niggas. That's what you want to call them," or something to that effect.
 
Script Kiddies LLC said:
I have 400 years of history to not really give them the benefit of the doubt and to err on the side of "nah, I'm done shopping with you."
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Oh yeah, boycott is certainly not out of the question. I'm a huge proponent of "vote with your wallet".

And yeah true, I can't even argue with the bolded.
 
It is absolutely ridiculous to criticize Whole Foods and Five Guys for giving free food to the men and women sent in to protect their stores from being looted or burned down tonight. There is nothing at all wrong with encouraging them to give free food to the residents, but calling for a boycott for supporting the people there to protect their stores is just dumb. Almost as dumb as suggesting people are really going to boycott Whole Foods in masses for supporting the National Guard.
 
CygnusXS said:
That's fine. But read the message that is being sent. Whole Foods is thanking the National Guard, a military force, for keeping the city of Baltimore safe. As if it's a warzone. Who is the enemy? Who are they keeping Baltimore safe from and who are they keeping it safe for? There's a political message in this specific act and it's gross.
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So what recourse does the city have if the situation gets beyond what the police force can potentially handle? People in threads like these are always talking about how the police shouldn't be a military force. Okay, great. So, if something gets too big (or out of scope) for the police to handle, the National Guard gets called in. They're there to keep the citizenry of Baltimore safe and that includes rioters and non-rioters alike. A description of their job:

Under state law, the National Guard provides protection of life and property and preserves peace, order and public safety. These missions are accomplished through emergency-relief support during natural disasters such as floods, earthquakes and forest fires; search and rescue operations; support to civil defense authorities; maintenance of vital public services and counter-drug operations.
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War doesn't even really come up there.
 
CrazyDogg77 said:
Nobody sees the irony in the National Guard coming in and being immediately fed by Whole Foods yet we have kids who can't get their free lunch from school having to go to shelters to eat?
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This is almost getting to Onion levels of parody. Whats next, Wallmart starts collecting blankets for the poor officers that have been displaced from their cars during the riots to keep them warm?
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
But massive change can be both massively positive or massively negative. As the French Revolution example has shown.
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Which is why I am not strictly an advocate of violent protesting.
However, I look more to the why than the how in these matters.
Most people are not inherently violent, so when a situation such as this erupts, there must have been underlying tensions.
 
Yaphett Kotto said:
Fuck out of here with that shit.

People in the military have plenty of ways to get food. Those people scrambling to centers and churches don't.

And I doubt have of those people in uniform were ever on a tour.
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Yes it sucks that their are kids that are going to go without thier school lunches today, but ,one can say that these men and women travel the world, stick thier neck out, fight in wars, and put thier lives on the line on a regular basis. All so people can sit on thier asses and make shity posts on a video game forum.


Yeah I think a little fucking respect is due.
 
roknin said:
You could taste the frustration there. Like he really could have gone another hour on it, but can't.

The second half and especially the last part of that was very poignant... and so far, no site seems to be quoting the latter parts of that speech - only the "rioting and looting is criminal" portion at the start.



1) It took over a century to get to the point where it was even a possibility.

Yes. But I'm talking about it now. Today there are still bigots and people (most likely those with a lot of money or power) still have antiquated racists views, but I believe that most educated people are not racist.

2) Have you seen how much racist tripe gets thrown around since he became president?

Yes, there are still racists in the world. Being non-white I hear racists marks from racist people at the time. I'm not denying there is racism. But people hold all sorts of judgments. People on welfare are considered losers by many. People who believe in certain god or god are judged by people, called idiots by people who are athesits etc etc.


3) Also notice that current issues with cops killing black youth are happening while he's in office, once again exposing how deeply rooted America's problems with race really are.

Him being elected president didn't magically stop racism nor should anyone have been under the insane delusion that it would. What it did do, is show that there's improvement, and that a change in the status quo is possible.

Problem is, as he alluded to in his reply on Baltimore: people only really care when things hit the point of crisis, when it should be something we work at daily.
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I'm not denying racism. I'm not denying that there are cops that racists.
But I don't believe racism is not the main problem. I believe It's income that determines your value in society- that's the problem.
Cops' powers and income inequality. Cops can get away killing people who are poor or don't really "contribute" to society, where it be black or white. I hear news all the time about cops killing white homeless people or drug addicts. No one does anything, because people don't seem to care about these people. They probably think Cops are doing a good job getting rid of these people.




The previous poster said "society doesn't care about black people" implying that because these people are black that's why no one's doing anything. I think it has less to do with race than it has to do with most of those people are poor. I really doubt cops could go around killing black people that are contributing a lot the society. If they do the same thing in San Fransisco, killing black people that have important positions in the big tech companies or start up companies, don't you think corporations would be pissed off and some sort of amendment would take place.

Right now you have all sort of people (all ethnicities) that are protesting peacefully for the sake of blacks.


Cops have too much power. . No one wants to get in their way though. No one wants to directly oppose them. I'm not exactly sure why.
Obama tried to change that by mandating body cameras
But if they are killing off homeless people, who on welfare have a mental disability, people who are poor and not contributing to society, then people who well off have a tendency, "well those people are drug addicts or failures" so we will believe whatever the cops say.

People on welfare, disability (only $1100 a month), or just poor people are not respected in America by a lot of people and cops have too much power.
 
Gold_Loot said:
Yes ot sucks that their are kids that are going to go without thier school lunches today, but ,one can say that these men and women travel the world, stick thier neck out, fight in wars, and put thier lives on the line on a regular basis. All so people can sit on thier asses and make shity posts on a video game forum.


Yeah I think a little fucking respect is due.
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The deification is palpable.
 
Script Kiddies LLC said:
You didn't answer my question. And yes. But you still didn't answer my question. Do you feel the majority of black people have it wrong when it comes to police brutality and you somehow found the key in education to prevent from getting your ass kicked by a cop if he felt inclined? Or could you actually answer my question?
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Yes police brutality is a issue for all people but even more so for blacks. Is it our biggest issue we need to resolve as a culture. My answer is no. Education is a much bigger factor and where my focus is. I rather spend my time promoting college education and getting more blacks interested in STEM programs.

My beliefs are self learned and based on my past experience and experience my friends and family have been through. I have seen my fair share of violence, mostly in response to what someone has done to me whether verbally or physically I would go over the top with violence. Looking back I wish I would have responded differently. Now that I'am older I am more impress with people that are able to resolve problems in a non-violent manner than a violent manner and this is why Malcolm X and MLK were taken out these guys were mentally strong and were feared for that reason.

I am not against protesting just the violent acts. Protesting with a clear message and taking other non-violent means of action is much more powerful.
 
As a person who is deeply in the horror film/prop collecting community, I've been having a hard time reading my Facebook feed recently. Wait too many prop makers and other forum users I consider internet friends are literally saying they'd run over black people if they saw a riot. I shit you not I read that.

I read stuff about how white people are being oppressed, and how more whites are killed by cops so we should burn down black businesses and all sort of vile shit, by people I talked with for years.

Shit I'm a white fucking Canadian. And that shit brought my piss to a boil. It's like collecting Jason masks and Freddy gloves appeals to way more insane people than I thought before. Man that's just goddamn depressing.
 
Sat0ri said:
I think there is one in Chicago today and nyc tomorrow as well.
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Chicago's protest should be going on right now.

A solidarity protest is planned for Tuesday at 6 p.m. in front of the Chicago Police Department headquarters, located in the 3500-block of South Michigan Avenue.
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Protestors have taken to the streets of Chicago frequently over issues related to police behavior, and much of that is rooted in unrest in minority communities.
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http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-leaders-activists-respond-to-baltimore-riots/684891/
 
Gold_Loot said:
Yes it sucks that their are kids that are going to go without thier school lunches today, but ,one can say that these men and women travel the world, stick thier neck out, fight in wars, and put thier lives on the line on a regular basis.

All so people can sit on thier asses and make shity posts on a video game forum.


Yeah I think a little fucking respect is due.
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Oh is that why they do it?

Because I don't seem to recall any foreign armies invading either American coasts in quite some time.
 
Gold_Loot said:
Yes it sucks that their are kids that are going to go without thier school lunches today, but ,one can say that these men and women travel the world, stick thier neck out, fight in wars, and put thier lives on the line on a regular basis. All so people can sit on thier asses and make shity posts on a video game forum.


Yeah I think a little fucking respect is due.
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Not this generation. This generation has been the tool of a warmongering nation that uses it military to benefit its investments. The only thing given are the fucks they have as they steamroll to progress.
 
slit said:
Oh is that why they do it?

Because I don't seem to recall any foreign armies invading either American coasts in quite some time.
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America hasn't fought a justifiable war since '45. I'm waiting for all the "FREEDOM" posts.
 
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