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[Schobeleth]

Well, when all the 3DS had was Steel Diver and Pilotwings, people did say that. But now it has games, of the elusive "system seller" variety. Once the Vita comes into its own and gets out of the shadow of the PS3, no one will say this anymore.

I doubt it. PS3 had this stigma for way longer than it should have, I expect Vita will struggle against the stigma of no games for it's entirety. People are just ignorant, or they just don't acknowledge anything that's not a system seller.

Vita is getting more system sellers IMO like

Ys: Memories of Celceta
Killzone: Mercenary
Tearaway
Muramasa Rebirth
Dragon's Crown

But sadly most people will go WELP THOSE AREN'T BIG ENOUGH. LET'S MOVE ALONG FOLKS VITA STILL HAS NO GAMES.

 

[CronoShot]

Lots of percentage and list wars going on in this thread.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

You know it's list warz time when someone's bringing up their love of Hungry Giraffe

 

[olimpia84]

The Vita already had games since day one. IMO the system had one of the best, if not the best launch lineups ever. And sure, there were some big gaps and droughts along the way but if you take a look at the Vita's library now is reaally good. I'm really happy with the games I have so far and bear in mind that I still haven't bought the following games I'm interested: VLR, Soul Sac and P4G

 

[Alexios]

Vita is getting more system sellers IMO like

Muramasa Rebirth
Dragon's Crown

Lol.

System sellers aren't games you may want, they're games tons and tons of people may want.

If anything it's the Vita itself that will help such limited appeal titles sell a little more than usual by being among the few notable options for its install base, not the other way around.

 

[clay_ghost]

Disgaea 3


.

Oh. Forgotten about that game , was hoping to discover something i never heard.

Oh well, i am sure there will be more in the future.

Rainbow Moon is coming soon.

Looks interesting will keep an eye on it.

 

[BlackLagoon]

i hate list wars and everything but what is the Turn-based Strategy for Vita ? Very interested .

Rainbow Moon is coming soon.

 

[zashga]

When people say "has no games" it generally boils down to that it doesn't have one or two big blockbuster game that moves units and get's people interested who weren't before. On that metric, it definitely "has no games."

Genre preference is also a big part of it. That's why we can have people in the same thread talking past each other, listing games from their preferred platform as if the other side had nothing at all.

 

[Skyzard]

People said the same thing about the PS3 and having no games. We all know they all gave in, in the end, Sony gets you. Some Nintendo fans just kick and scream a lot during their resistance.
Others have the sense to give in straight away and enjoy the experience from the beginning instead of waiting 5 years to save 30 bux.

 

[TheSeks]

Some people are interested in deep jrpgs like FF; vita has no games for them.

Persona? Disgaea 3? Final Fantasy X HD coming soon? PSP backlog of numerous titles that people could play?

 

[Sakura]

C-Can I post my list too? These are the 3DS games I own:

Super Mario 3D Land
Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart 7
Kid Icarus
Kingdom Hearts 3D
NSMB2
Fire Emblem
Monster Hunter 3
Animal Crossing New Leaf
Project X Zone
Bravely Default
AKB48+Me
Style Savvy Trendsetters (or whatever it's called)
Cardfight Vanguard
Beyond the Labyrinth
New Love Plus
Samurai Warrior Chronicles 2
Super Robot Wars UX
Super Street Fighter IV
Harvest Moon ANB
Tomodachi Collection


Then there are a ton of other games I want but can't afford right now, like Rune Factory 4, Fantasy Life, Luigi's Mansion, etc. And upcoming games like SMTIV or Pokemon X/Y

I have a Vita too and it has some decent games, but my problem with the Vita is most of the titles are ports/multiplats, while for the 3DS the majority of the titles I listed are games I can only get on the 3DS.

 

[Ty4on]

I guess it doesn't sound that awesome to everyone, but I love taking up a home console from my pocket. I could play Rayman/NFS/MGS/Persona at home, but now I can play them on a beautiful OLED while waiting for the bus or on a plane trip home. I almost understand the WiiU because it is pretty awesome to play a game in bed.

Dude, you know you can play MGS 1, 2, 3 & Peace Walker on a Vita, right?

....and both PSP GTA games. And more Final Fantasy games than you could possibly want to play?*

And play the (superior) PSP version of GTA Chinatown Wars.

If I can ever start to feel finished with the games I have I may start MGS and then I may start on GTA as well

Vita owners have an ace in the hole on the way:

I will likely buy a Vita just for this. Hopefully Jeff finishes development before he gets too distracted by the new Animal Crossing.

Why haven't I heard of this?!

 

[ArtHands]

The vita has a shitload of games for hardcore gamers. It doesn't have many and is far too expensive for casual gamers.

That and some stupid prices for memory cards will explain why it has a small but extremely dedicated fanbase. As the price comes down to earth it will cross over a little but will never be a raging success. But it's also not even close to 'doomed' like so many people here like to parrot.

It sold less than 20k according to the latest NPD and its sales is dropping back close to pre-price drop territory in Japan recently.

Its only major titles are just killzone and 2 FF ports for the future, and both FF ports will be for the ps3 too.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I doubt it. PS3 had this stigma for way longer than it should have, I expect Vita will struggle against the stigma of no games for it's entirety. People are just ignorant, or they just don't acknowledge anything that's not a system seller.

Vita is getting more system sellers IMO like

Ys: Memories of Celceta
Killzone: Mercenary
Tearaway
Muramasa Rebirth
Dragon's Crown

But sadly most people will go WELP THOSE AREN'T BIG ENOUGH. LET'S MOVE ALONG FOLKS VITA STILL HAS NO GAMES.

By "get out of the shadow of the PS3" I actually meant that the Vita has the stigma of being a PS3 accessory. You even see it here on GAF. People sometimes specify "I have a Vita but not a PS3" as if that's weird. Also all these PS3 ports and crossbuys, while cool, don't sell Vitas, and just further make the Vita seem like this portable PS3, and not its own thing.

 

[Skyzard]

It sold less than 20k according to the latest NPD and its sales is dropping back close to pre-price drop territory in Japan recently.

Its only major titles are just killzone and 2 FF ports for the future, and both FF ports will be for the ps3 too.

Sony son. They aint no toy company, no need to worry.

 

[famousmortimer]

I think Vita fans need to be less defensive about the system. I used to get into all of these threads and try to argue with people but the fact of the matter is that the naysayers don't want to hear otherwise. You could have a powerpoint presentation and it doesn't matter.


I made this realization about a month ago when I posted that I talked to someone inside Sony who said they weren't happy with the Vita's sales but they felt like they were on the right track and it was already a profitable endeavor for them. I had a number of people tell me "making a profit isn't all that matters for companies." You can't fucking win in an argument against people like that.


Those of us with Vitas know that there are a ton of great games, we all discuss in the games thread how we are working our way through our vita backlogs... we know the system is in the black for sony and is not 'doomed' like people like to argue. We know the future of the system is brighter now than it ever has been with things like Killzone and Y's coming, PS4 integration and the tidal wave of indie support. We also know it's not ever going to catch up the 3DS and unless some game comes out of nowhere (like Monster Hunter did for the PSP) it's not going to "huge." But it doesn't need to be huge, it needs to be awesome, and it is. So stop arguing with the trolls. You aren't going to change their minds.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Why is the concept of 'enough' so easily dismantled by the concept of 'too much'?

 

[IcyEyes]

Vita have no games because people say that.
/s

Anyway, I agree with most of the post above, this system have already a lot of awesome games and its a young system ... Maybe Vita need something that appeal the "mass" market, but let me be straight, Vita is a very pretty gadget, not only for gaming and aside the high price of the memory card, the system worth the price.

Ps I love my white Vita.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

Sony son. They aint no toy company, no need to worry.

Why antagonize unnecessarily? He posted hard numbers, plain and simple; if you could retaliate with a sound analysis or a some numbers of your own, your argument would hold weight. Instead you unnecessarily antagonize the other platform maker. Doesn't do your stance a world of good, you know.

Unless you were being facetious, in which case I apologize. It is hard to tell on these boards anyway, and your point did come off wrongly to me.

 

[Skyzard]

Why antagonize unnecessarily? He posted hard numbers, plain and simple; if you could retaliate with a sound analysis or a some numbers of your own, your argument would hold weight. Instead you unnecessarily antagonize the other platform maker. Doesn't do your stance a world of good, you know.

Unless you were being facetious, in which case I apologize. It is hard to tell on these boards anyway, and your point did come off wrongly to me.

Lol. He's heard the arguement many times before. He uses data without context and also makes it out to be complete when it's clearly not.

Since you seem curious - Vita dropped less than other consoles in the US during that slump he quoted the number from. Some games are coming unannounced. Non-japanese actions (price drop, ads, games) yet to take place, Sony haven't done anything significant in US for a while - yada yada. But none of that matters, because Sony. They're no small company and they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot when there's tonnes left to try. No where near as doomed as some people like to make out/wish were the case.

HARD numbers are so hard to argue with!

 

[ArtHands]

Sony son. They aint no toy company, no need to worry.

Perhaps its time to do so, what's with the future game selection looking much worse than ever.

 

[Plinko]

I doubt it. PS3 had this stigma for way longer than it should have, I expect Vita will struggle against the stigma of no games for it's entirety. People are just ignorant, or they just don't acknowledge anything that's not a system seller.

Vita is getting more system sellers IMO like

Ys: Memories of Celceta
Killzone: Mercenary
Tearaway
Muramasa Rebirth
Dragon's Crown

But sadly most people will go WELP THOSE AREN'T BIG ENOUGH. LET'S MOVE ALONG FOLKS VITA STILL HAS NO GAMES.

I think you and the general public have a different definition of the term "system-seller."

 

[Call Me Maybe]

Lol. He's heard the arguement many times before. He uses data without context and also makes it out to be complete when it's clearly not.

Since you seem curious - Vita dropped less than other consoles in the US during that time. Some games are coming unannounced. Non-japanese actions yet to take place yada yada.

HARD numbers are so hard to argue with!

Okay, I lack the context for his post and for yours; since I am unaware of the history, your post came off as unprovoked and unnecessarily offensively defensive.

As for the numbers: percentages. You're using percentages. Not absoute numbers. Not cold, hard numbers. You're using relative numbers. If something drops from 5 to 3, and the other thing drops from 45 to 20, which one is healthier?

 

[maltrain]

This won't end well, like every single vita(and some not-vita related) thread.

A one year older console has more games? Compliments! A really impossible task!

Even if the 3ds has more games this does not mean that vita has no gaemz.

Vita has bad sales? Yes.
Vita needs more big games? Yes.
Vita has no games? No, only brainwashed fanboys and who doesn't even know what a vita really is could really think this way.
Vita has a false and undeserved reputation.

Exactly my point. You can compare the list of games of 3DS the first year and the PS Vita and there are almost no differences. I have 4 memories full of games.

Sorry, haters.

 

[Skyzard]

Perhaps its time to do so, what's with the future game selection looking much worse than ever.

Some companies who can compete with the big boys worldwide, like to save their announcements for proper shows (and don't have to spill their load early while people still care).

Okay, I lack the context for his post and for yours; since I am unaware of the history, your post came off as unprovoked and unnecessarily offensively defensive.

As for the numbers: percentages. You're using percentages. Not absoute numbers. Not cold, hard numbers. You're using relative numbers. If something drops from 5 to 3, and the other thing drops from 45 to 20, which one is healthier?

The one more stable and with a company big enough to cover its debts.

You're using random numbers btw.

 

[2+2=5]

Yes it is. Though the multiplats don't run the same on each platform, so there is still some difference.

Ports don't particularly matter on nintendo platforms as long as they've traditionally brought the exclusives . They are an easy way to fill a system's library but it shouldn't be what defines it, which is where the vita is right now.

As i already said vita needs more exclusives, but 90% of the ps3 games i have and love are multiplatform, ps3 has no gaemz? Nintendo platforms are the exception, ps360 and vita are the rule.

Oh hey, look, it's Captain Obvious!! Was wondering when you'd pop in here.

He answered OP's question. If it's bothering you so much, thread might not be for you.

If what i said is obvious then it's undeniably right, so thanks for your staying at my side

Can we haz statistickz instead?

Total number of rated games (Metacritic):
3DS - 195
PS VITA - 99
Ratio: 1.97

Total number of 75+ rated games
3DS - 51
PS VITA - 47
Ratio: 1.09

Total number of 50-64 rated games
3DS - 121
PS VITA - 45
Ratio: 2.69

Total number of 1-49 rated games
3DS - 23
PS VITA - 7
Ratio: 3.29

Many vita games have no review, and if i think that soul sacrifice got bad scores(7 is a bad score if it's less than what it deserves) because it's a "button mashing"(WHAT?!?!), it's "repetitive"(monster hunter is sooooo varied instead) without even trying the multiplayer(WUT?!?!), well i have enormous doubts about the professionalism and independence of some of the reviewers hence i don't trust those statistics(well tbh i have never trusted reviewers and metacritic in general so nothing has changed)

 

[Lumpy Onion]

If it wasn't for Ys, I wouldn't have any games to look forward to on Vita or I must have forgotten about all of them. I really hope Sony shows something new at E3.

Same for me. Ys is pretty much why I bought my Vita. Since buying mine at launch the only thing I have gotten for it was P4G. Sure, there are games out there for it. But they aren't ones that I would particularly want to buy.

 

[ChesterCharm]

C-Can I post my list too? These are the 3DS games I own:

Super Mario 3D Land
Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart 7
Kid Icarus
Kingdom Hearts 3D
NSMB2
Fire Emblem
Monster Hunter 3
Animal Crossing New Leaf
Project X Zone
Bravely Default
AKB48+Me
Style Savvy Trendsetters (or whatever it's called)
Cardfight Vanguard
Beyond the Labyrinth
New Love Plus
Samurai Warrior Chronicles 2
Super Robot Wars UX
Super Street Fighter IV
Harvest Moon ANB
Tomodachi Collection


Then there are a ton of other games I want but can't afford right now, like Rune Factory 4, Fantasy Life, Luigi's Mansion, etc. And upcoming games like SMTIV or Pokemon X/Y

I have a Vita too and it has some decent games, but my problem with the Vita is most of the titles are ports/multiplats, while for the 3DS the majority of the titles I listed are games I can only get on the 3DS.

i call BS

 

[Call Me Maybe]

The one more stable and with a company big enough to cover its debts.

You're using random numbers btw.

Of course I am, the numbers were there to make a point; I never said they are indicative of anything, did I?
And the company more stable to cover the debts... do you mean the one with $15 billion in the bank, a balance sheet full of assets and no liabilities?

 

[maltrain]

Vita has no games... right:

And I'm not including A LOT of only digital ones, PSP, PSOne, PSM and MINIS...

 

[Skyzard]

^ Nice pic, maltrain. Needs more to dispense more salt ideally though.

Of course I am, the numbers were there to make a point; I never said they are indicative of anything, did I?
And the company more stable to cover the debts... do you mean the one with $15 billion in the bank, a balance sheet full of assets and no liabilities?

No, the one too big to fail.

The numbers being random means I don't have to care the difference between the two were so huge and the point about the stability holds. As well as you complaining about me putting his 20K into context.

 

[gngf123]

i call BS

He could have a JP 3DS. EDIT: He says he has Beyond the Labyrinth, so yeah a JP 3DS it must be.

Vita has no games... right:

Dude, quote that.

 

[Clockwork5]

I don't understand the line up expectations some of you seem to have for such a young system. The x360 had a pretty poor line up at launch. I guess Call of Duty was a launch or near launch game. Same thing with Ps1, Ps2, GameCube, Xbox, Wii, DS, 3ds, and PSP (i was going to include N64 since it only had a few titles, but Mario 64 and Goldeneye were just soo good) Has it just been too long since system releases for us to remember the first year of these systems?

I love my 3ds but didn't get one until over a year and a half after launch.

I may get a vita if off screen play with the PS4 is as cool as it sounds.

 

[Oyashrio-Sama]

Vita owners have an ace in the hole on the way:

I will likely buy a Vita just for this. Hopefully Jeff finishes development before he gets too distracted by the new Animal Crossing.

Wait... WHAT! Why am I only now hearing that a new Tempest is in the works for Vita?

 

[ArtHands]

Some companies who can compete with the big boys worldwide, like to save their announcements for proper shows.

That's what people said for every vita's events last year.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

No, the one too big to fail.

The numbers being random means I don't have to care the difference between the two were so huge and the point about the stability holds. As well as you complaining about me putting his 20K into context using the troublesome relative numbers.

The difference stands: Vita's lifetime sales right now by the most optimistic measure are what, 5 million? 3DS is six times that. In any case, stop arguing the numbers as a smokescreen. I never said the numbers represent the 3DS and the Vita. I used them to establish a point, which you seem to have understood, so don't use them to detract from the main argument here.

'The one too big to fail.'
So Nintendo, then? Like I said, no liabilities, all assets, core business being games (so it's not something that they would spin or sell off in case of a bad financial outlook to raise some money*), more money to cover the system's losses (not that there are any).

*Not that Sony would either, since Playstation is one of their most profitable divisions; it would probably be the last thing to go down with Sony, if Sony ever did go down.

 

[maltrain]

Wait... WHAT! Why am I only now hearing that a new Tempest is in the works for Vita?

You should read the Vita Thread here!!!

 

[Skyzard]

That's what people said for every vita's events last year.

Guess we won't have to wait to long to find out.

Pretty sure Vita will come off alright. After all, it turns actual next-gen consoles portable as a bonus feature lol. Not to mention the numerous reports of things looking good at e3 for vita.

The difference stands: Vita's lifetime sales right now by the most optimistic measure are what, 5 million? 3DS is six times that. In any case, stop arguing the numbers as a smokescreen. I never said the numbers represent the 3DS and the Vita. I used them to establish a point, which you seem to have understood, so don't use them to detract from the main argument here.

'The one too big to fail.'
So Nintendo, then? Like I said, no liabilities, all assets, core business being games (so it's not something that they would spin or sell off in case of a bad financial outlook to raise some money*), more money to cover the system's losses (not that there are any).

*Not that Sony would either, since Playstation is one of their most profitable divisions; it would probably be the last thing to go down with Sony, if Sony ever did go down.

I never assumed you were referring to the 3DS. The 3DS isn't even a competitor for the Vita outside of Japan, which is a tiny part of the world. 3DS has it's own demographic (kids). Vita is going for something else, the higher tech range, older gamers. It's like saying Wii is a competitor for the PS3. Yeah...sort of, but not really.

If you think Sony can't manage the vita and is about to drop support anytime soon then you've spent too much time with nintendogaf.

 

[Nibel]

The term "no games" is probably the most mis-used and stupidest term we use

What exactly do we mean with this?

- That there are literally no games for a system which was never true?
- That there are no games that are interesting for the people who say this?
- That there are no games that sell well?

I always say that the Vita doesn't have many games that interest me, but it has a few and I'm certain that a bunch of them will follow shortly; and that's a good thing

It offers a whole different catalogue than the 3DS and the 3DS offers a whole different catalogue as well. I love both systems and think that handheld gamers have a lot to look forward to.

I try my best to avoid the using the term from now on

 

[Clockwork5]

Guess we won't have to wait to long to find out.

Pretty sure Vita will come off alright. After all, it turns actual next-gen consoles portable as a bonus feature lol.

Are we sure off screen will be fully portable, I was under the impression it had to communicate with the console, similar to Wii U off sccreen. I hope your not suggesting the Vita has next gen hardware on par with what the consoles are rumored to have.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

The term "no games" is probably the most mis-used and stupidest term we use

What exactly do we mean with this?

- That there are literally no games for a system which was never true?
- That there are no games that are interesting for the people who say this?
- That there are no games that sell well?

I always say that the Vita doesn't have many games that interest me, but it has a few and I'm certain that a bunch of them will follow shortly; and that's a good thing

It offers a whole different catalogue than the 3DS and the 3DS offers a whole different catalogue as well. I love both systems and think that handheld gamers have a lot to look forward to.

I try my best to avoid the using the term from now on

It's like I said earlier:

Like all other similar statements, 'Vita has no games!' is an annoying meme that is meant to convey one or all of the following points:

• Vita has no game that would sell the hardware to a mass, mainstream audience
• Vita has no games that would sell the hardware to the person saying it has no games
• Vita has no games compared to its direct competition, the 3DS

In all these three cases, 'no games' is not an absolute measure, it is a relative measure: one might be interested in one game on the Vita, for example; or the Vita might have lots of good games, but not enough (relative to mainstream appeal, personal preferences, or the 3DS). That is all there is.

It's annoyingly inaccurate, and people really need to stop using it, because all it does is incite fanboy wars.

 

[BlackLagoon]

I made this realization about a month ago when I posted that I talked to someone inside Sony who said they weren't happy with the Vita's sales but they felt like they were on the right track and it was already a profitable endeavor for them.

Interesting. There were some murmurings that the indies were only coming because Sony was paying for the ports, but with news of even hyped titles like Guacamelee selling more on Vita than PS3 (in Europe at least), Sony's earning back whatever incentives they provide and then some.

Anyway, I'm pretty much in the same place as you. I've got a decent backlog and more stuff coming I'm excited about, so I'm happy with my purchase.

 

[Tuck]

Vita had more released games in the first 12 months than 3DS ( which were better rated by 5% on average) It was always a stupid notion.

We're not still in the first 12 months, are we?

 

[Father_Brain]

I think Vita fans need to be less defensive about the system. I used to get into all of these threads and try to argue with people but the fact of the matter is that the naysayers don't want to hear otherwise. You could have a powerpoint presentation and it doesn't matter.


I made this realization about a month ago when I posted that I talked to someone inside Sony who said they weren't happy with the Vita's sales but they felt like they were on the right track and it was already a profitable endeavor for them. I had a number of people tell me "making a profit isn't all that matters for companies." You can't fucking win in an argument against people like that.


Those of us with Vitas know that there are a ton of great games, we all discuss in the games thread how we are working our way through our vita backlogs... we know the system is in the black for sony and is not 'doomed' like people like to argue. We know the future of the system is brighter now than it ever has been with things like Killzone and Y's coming, PS4 integration and the tidal wave of indie support. We also know it's not ever going to catch up the 3DS and unless some game comes out of nowhere (like Monster Hunter did for the PSP) it's not going to "huge." But it doesn't need to be huge, it needs to be awesome, and it is. So stop arguing with the trolls. You aren't going to change their minds.

Sony is still obscuring Vita shipment numbers, they only expect to ship 3-3.5 million worldwide this FY, and their previous quarterly report actually named Vita's weak sales as the biggest issue facing the gaming division at the time. I don't think your inside sources at SCEA have quite the same perspective as the people in charge, and the latter seems a lot closer to reality based on the publicly available information.

I'm also still not sure why you have such bottomless faith in retailers to keep restocking a platform that's selling less than one unit per store per month on average, in a year when two new consoles and Disney Infinity are launching.

But if you want to dismiss all that as trolling, just because many of us put more weight on the facts we actually know than what SCEA inside sources tell you, go right ahead.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

We're not still in the first 12 months, are we?

18 months from Japanese launch, 15 months from worldwide launch.

 

[gngf123]

We're not still in the first 12 months, are we?

It was released last February I think.

 

[sechsterangriff]

Are we sure off screen will be fully portable, I was under the impression it had to communicate with the console, similar to Wii U off sccreen. I hope your not suggesting the Vita has next gen hardware on par with what the consoles are rumored to have.

Like most things that require network connectivity to work, remote play works best on LAN but it also works over the Internet.

 

[Skyzard]

Are we sure off screen will be fully portable, I was under the impression it had to communicate with the console, similar to Wii U off sccreen. I hope your not suggesting the Vita has next gen hardware on par with what the consoles are rumored to have.

Actually yes. The vita CPU is currently locked. Once unlocked, it turns into a PS4.

 

[Clockwork5]

^ Source please.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

I never assumed you were referring to the 3DS. The 3DS isn't even a competitor for the Vita outside of Japan, which is a tiny part of the world. 3DS has it's own demographic (kids). Vita is going for something else, the higher tech range, older gamers. It's like saying Wii is a competitor for the PS3. Yeah...sort of, but not really.

If you think Sony can't manage the vita and is about to drop support anytime soon then you've spent too much time with nintendogaf.

The first part of your post is BS, pure and simple. It's along the lines of that Tretton statement, 'we aren't afraid of 3DS with regards to Vita, people use Gameboys only as a babysitting tool.'

As for the second part of your post, I never doubted Sony's stability, not once. In fact, I added a disclaimer to the end of the very post you quoted, stating Sony will keep the gaming division alive for as long as possible. You were the one who trolled Nintendo (and now the 3DS) first, but apparently you didn't like it when I retaliated in kind. Attacking Nintendo and the 3DS first reeks of pure insecurity. For the sake of your stance, don't do it again.