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Vita has no games... compared to?
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KojiKnight
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Sorry, mistook Killzone with Resistance. Will edit the post.
I edited in quite a bit more, this was the rest:
It's not what I wanted to do, I wanted to address the idea that multiports don't mean shit (or very much) on the vita - because some people already have them easily accessible on other consoles. No - they're huge on the vita. The whole selling point for the platform is that it's portable. A port can also be a handheld exclusive (or the best version
).
UberTag
Member
We're still going to apply the same "has no games logic" to PS4/Durango when those systems come out, right? Because you're looking at nothing but titles on other formats and a tiny handful of exclusive first-party "actually developed for next-gen efforts" that probably won't move anything at a $499 price point.
Or will we apply a double-standard and COUNT multi-plat games on those systems because well, they look prettier and you can play them on your TV?
Or will we apply a double-standard and COUNT multi-plat games on those systems because well, they look prettier and you can play them on your TV?
KojiKnight
Member
100% yes we will if there are no killer apps. That said, I fully expect next gen to be a slower start than most next gens.
Liamario
Banned
As a vita owner; the problem isn't quantity, but quality. That's not saying that there aren't any good games on it. It's lacking games with real mass appeal. Also, a lot of there games are ports that are available on PS3. Sony needs to reduce the focus on games that are designed for the home consoles and make games designed for a handheld.
I don't get this Vita Defence Force thing this thread has going on. I don't have a Vita yet, but I will because of all the Plus games. But I already have a vested interest in it succeeding, as for a prospective customer I want it to be good. But claiming it is succeeding, it does have plenty of games, or whatever other BS is being spouted in this thread is nonsensical. Claiming it's success on a forum will not make it successful.
If you are a customer or fan you should be much more critical or the shoddy line up, and it is shoddy, the 3DS has more games coming out immanently (i.e. the "it's been out for a year more" argument is irrelevant). Too many of the Vita's good games are cross play titles. If I owned a Vita I'd be pretty unhappy with the current line up. And I wouldn't defend it on forums at all, i'd slam it the hardest, because Sony shouldn't get a free ride of your fanboyism when they only provide mediocre content.
Also List wars are dumb period, quantity is not quality, etc. etc.
If you are a customer or fan you should be much more critical or the shoddy line up, and it is shoddy, the 3DS has more games coming out immanently (i.e. the "it's been out for a year more" argument is irrelevant). Too many of the Vita's good games are cross play titles. If I owned a Vita I'd be pretty unhappy with the current line up. And I wouldn't defend it on forums at all, i'd slam it the hardest, because Sony shouldn't get a free ride of your fanboyism when they only provide mediocre content.
Also List wars are dumb period, quantity is not quality, etc. etc.
Well at least they should be superior ports compared to the current gen. Still vastly inferior to PC though.
Well to be fair vita has been out a long time. You know eventually ps4/Durango will have a lot of games. Can't really say that for vita at the moment.
Acquiescence
Member
These Vita versus 3DS threads are becoming insufferable.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I like that we're just starting threads with list wars now.
Really saves us all some time.
Really saves us all some time.
What western titles?
The non-SS of the 3, Killzone and Tearaway, plus the ones likely to be announced shortly at E3.
That will be the time to do the game, pricecut and ad combo, which are the most crucial things.
I'm not talking about the 45 or so remaining unannounced indie titles coming to vita this year.
LamerDeluxe
Member
The Vita seems to be winning the list wars right now :^p
Akibastman
Member
I agree with people saying Vita has no system seller. I mean, I know people that bought a 3DS the day of the Pokemon X/Y trailer.
For people to buy a Vita like this, Sony should announce amazing Vita exclusives like a new Crash Bandicoot by Naughty Dog or a FF7 or 6 remake or Persona 5. Long awaited games, exclusive mainline sequels of famous franchises or incredible surprises. Sony hasn't yet.
For people to buy a Vita like this, Sony should announce amazing Vita exclusives like a new Crash Bandicoot by Naughty Dog or a FF7 or 6 remake or Persona 5. Long awaited games, exclusive mainline sequels of famous franchises or incredible surprises. Sony hasn't yet.
I don't understand what the expectation for the Vita is, but it's definitely out of whack. This thing will always be niche, just like the psp was. It'll never have a software library as broad as the 3DS,but so what? As people have pointed out there are tons of great games already. There's even a monthly Vita love thread here on GAF.
KojiKnight
Member
Go on... We're already list waring, I'd love to see yours.
I think Killzone and Uncharted did/will do a better job than Crash Bandicoot could, and I'm a big fan of crash bandicoot and think it should be brought back for the fans. But let's not be silly or at least manage expectations.
Sony need to advertise and drop their prices firstly. I'd love big titles though and they'll need something convincing soon enough. Luckily we've been hearing somewhat promising rumours and teasing.
Not so much 'list wars', as an illustration of how many games I've bought for the Vita in the last 15 months (all digital versions):
Retail:
FIFA 13
Soul Sacrifice
Earth Defence Force 2017: Portable
Virtues Last Reward
Dead Or Alive 5+
Little Big Planet Vita
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Mortal Kombat
Resistance: Burning Skies
WipeOut 2048
MUD: FIM Motocross World Championship
Sonic & Sega Allstars Racing: Transformed
Virtua Tennis 4
Call Of Duty: Declassified
Shinobido 2: Revenge of Zen
WRC 3
Need For Speed: Most Wanted
FIFA 11
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
PS Allstars: Battle Royale
Metal Gear Solid: HD Collection
Rayman Origins
Gravity Rush
Lumines: Electronic Symphony
Touch My Katamari
Ridge Racer
Everybody's Golf
Dynasty Warriors Next
PSN:
Velocity Ultra
Thomas Was Alone
Guacamelee
Puddle
Oddworld: Strangers Wrath HD
Big Sky Infinity
Knytt Underground
Urban Trials Freestyle
Retro City Rampage
Sine Mora
Jet Set Radio
Sound Shapes
Hustle Kings
Treasures of Montezuma Blitz
Super Stardust Delta
Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
Motorstorm RC
I think that's the full list. Obviously, most of these aren't for everyone. It sure has kept me busy though!
Retail:
FIFA 13
Soul Sacrifice
Earth Defence Force 2017: Portable
Virtues Last Reward
Dead Or Alive 5+
Little Big Planet Vita
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Mortal Kombat
Resistance: Burning Skies
WipeOut 2048
MUD: FIM Motocross World Championship
Sonic & Sega Allstars Racing: Transformed
Virtua Tennis 4
Call Of Duty: Declassified
Shinobido 2: Revenge of Zen
WRC 3
Need For Speed: Most Wanted
FIFA 11
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
PS Allstars: Battle Royale
Metal Gear Solid: HD Collection
Rayman Origins
Gravity Rush
Lumines: Electronic Symphony
Touch My Katamari
Ridge Racer
Everybody's Golf
Dynasty Warriors Next
PSN:
Velocity Ultra
Thomas Was Alone
Guacamelee
Puddle
Oddworld: Strangers Wrath HD
Big Sky Infinity
Knytt Underground
Urban Trials Freestyle
Retro City Rampage
Sine Mora
Jet Set Radio
Sound Shapes
Hustle Kings
Treasures of Montezuma Blitz
Super Stardust Delta
Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
Motorstorm RC
I think that's the full list. Obviously, most of these aren't for everyone. It sure has kept me busy though!
Akibastman
Member
Yeah I'm not saying it's a good idea. Just saying that Vita would sell better if Sony announced a game that'd make people freak out, like a Vita Exclusive, Naughty Dog developped, new Crash Bandicoot game. It was an exemple. It's not the best way to revive Crash.
dgrdsv
Member
Generally the ones who are saying that Vita "haz no gamez" mean that there is no a) GT Vita, b) GoW Vita, c) Killzone Vita etc.
Basically Vita is lacking in AAA titles from 1st party. That's not a lot of games in any case, it's like 10% from all the games on the platform, but these games are the ones people talk about when they think about getting a Vita.
I being a Vita owner for more than a year think that Vita has a shitload of games.
Basically Vita is lacking in AAA titles from 1st party. That's not a lot of games in any case, it's like 10% from all the games on the platform, but these games are the ones people talk about when they think about getting a Vita.
I being a Vita owner for more than a year think that Vita has a shitload of games.
Good point, definitely they could do with something to really kick the hype up with vita and restore some of its reputation.
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Upcoming list (ty again corrosive frost):
They need to reveal the damn games they've kept secret asap! And not have people forget with all the next-gen hubbub.
List is missing Dragon's Crown for some reason. Also, some more of the indies we know about that are coming:
Can someone redo this image or something comparable with Vita games?
looking at that list, the wiiu statement is really silly imho.
both the hasnogame memes are simply exagerated
I'd rather force the Vita up my left nostril than play a JRPG. Including the charging cable.
Hahaha thanks for the laughs. But you know everything comes down to taste you know. I for one would love to get a Vita and a Wii U but the problem is that i don't have enough money to support multiple consoles.
Yeah I know. Well having exactly two games announced from your better teams exclusively for Vita tends to do that.
KojiKnight
Member
I giggled. I giggled like a small female child who goes to a proper learning establishment.
Do you work for Sony? Or did their advertising and your fandom just combine and hit you real deep?
ringwaldhaze
Neo Member
But you'll buy ports of FIFA based on old engines, unfinished games like Ridge Racer, and Call of Duty: Declassified?
Are you mad it's getting to you?
kurtrussell
Banned
Yay! Console Wars! LET'S DO THIS.
My Sega Saturn library trumps your Vita library. Discuss.
Bluekaveli
Member
PS3 in 2007.
And we know what the motto was in 2007.
And we know what the motto was in 2007.
the_korben
Member
There are a lot of good posts in this thread already.
I think the situation is very complex, actually. There's several aspects to the "Vita has no games" problem, and people keep mixing them up. But before I go into that: if you happen to own both the 3DS and the Vita, you're pretty much in gaming heaven (and you will be pretty much for eternity) because they are the ultimate cross-gen gaming platforms.
The whole DS library, much of the PSP and PS1 library, as well as great ports and native exclusives on both the 3DS and the Vita could keep you playing until your fingers fall off.
Both handhelds have good operating systems so you can finally load them up with tons and tons of games to the point where one SD card or memory card could last you for years of gaming. Overall, the two systems are much more complementary than the PS3 and XBox360 ever were. From this perspective, it's really a shame that so many people can't get out of their system-wars mode.
Ok, that said, the Vita has a few "perceived" problems.
1.) The Vita really is the first DD handheld.
A lot of what makes the Vita and its gaming library so awesome are titles that you can't see on store shelves. Yes, the 3DS has the e-shop, but if you're shopping for a 3DS at Gamestop or wherever, you'll encounter a wall of games (and racks of DS games). It immediately gives you the impression that "woah, the 3DS has sooo much to play".
With the Vita it's the complete opposite.
First off, some stores stopped updating the actual boxed Vita releases on their shelves (of which there weren't that many after the launch anyways), so to the casual observer it seems like there's still mostly the launch games on that machine. Secondly, in-store the PSP games are rarely associated with the Vita both because the PSP didn't do so well in the west in recent years and also because the Vita can't play the UMDs. But add the PS1 games to the digital PSP games that are available, and you'll have an enormously impressive library that could match the DS "wall of games" quite well.
2.) The Vita is not so much defined by its games as it is defined by the experience of using it.
For me, the whole Vita situation is somewhat comparable to what iPods were like before Apple came up with the iPhone. Why did people buy the new iPods year after year? Using the arguments that people bring up for why the Vita "has no games", these things should not have sold because they "have no MP3s". People bought the iPods because they were sleeker, had cool new OS features, and had more memory year after year. People still listened to the same old music they did before, but they enjoyed it more. The Vita works the same way. Of course you can play that port here, that port there, PSP games on your PSP, PS1 games on your PS1/PS2/PS3, but you could never, ever, ever, play all these things (+ cool Vita exclusives) in the palm of your hand, with such great screen and controls, such a sleek OS, and carry it on one (ridiculously overpriced) memory card.
Sony just doesn't know how to do the proper marketing for this situation. And no, showing a bunch of teenagers jumping around with their Vitas as they shoot invisible enemies is not the way to go.
3.) You can't easily capture video with a regular Vita.
There's not much to say about this. In a time where video content on gaming websites pushes public opinion the most, not having video capture capabilities is a huge problem. Add to that the fact that the gaming press is pissed of because of this (see next point) and you're creating some pretty substantial anti-system bias.
4.) The Vita gets bad press because of the way the gaming press operates.
There is a weird disconnect between the way people like to play their games and the way people in the gaming press play their games. Writers for gaming magazines play games under the pressure of deadlines, have very specific expectations of what games are, and they always have relations with the manufacturer and the greater status of the industry in their minds. This is a big reason why the Vita is getting bad press. As noted above, you can't capture video with the Vita. People tried to film the handheld screen itself, but that just sucks and annoys the hell out of them. But in addition, there's the general problem that handheld gaming does not gel well with a the way the press handles games. Why would you want to play a handheld game in the office when you don't have to pay for the coolest large screen + surround sound gaming setup to use for your reviews?
Also, the Vita integrates incredibly well with the Playstation Network. It carries over (and adds to) all your trophy information, allows for cross-platform purchases and so on. The problem is: the gaming press in America was always much too comfortable with Xbox Live which is why almost everyone ignored this part of PSN. If the Vita was a Microsoft device and people could take over their accounts and achievements, the system would have been received with much bigger enthusiasm.
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There's a few more things that also play into it (e.g., people also hated on the 3DS but they gave in and now they are committed to it which creates some potential for platform warmongering, 3DS has been out for almost twice the time, ...), but overall I think the reasons I mentioned are some that have not yet been mentioned in this thread and I don't want to repeat everything that I agree with.
In any case, the Vita is a great machine (as is the 3DS) and it's a bummer that so many people dismiss it without good reason. On the other hand, it really IS quite expensive - not in absolute terms given the hardware, but in comparison to the 3DS. And there are really not too many blockbusters announced for the next few months. Sony needs to work on both of these problems. But there's really not much wrong with the current Vita lineup in terms of the enjoyment you can get out of it, and therefore "The Vita has no games" is really a pretty wrong statement.
I think the situation is very complex, actually. There's several aspects to the "Vita has no games" problem, and people keep mixing them up. But before I go into that: if you happen to own both the 3DS and the Vita, you're pretty much in gaming heaven (and you will be pretty much for eternity) because they are the ultimate cross-gen gaming platforms.
The whole DS library, much of the PSP and PS1 library, as well as great ports and native exclusives on both the 3DS and the Vita could keep you playing until your fingers fall off.
Both handhelds have good operating systems so you can finally load them up with tons and tons of games to the point where one SD card or memory card could last you for years of gaming. Overall, the two systems are much more complementary than the PS3 and XBox360 ever were. From this perspective, it's really a shame that so many people can't get out of their system-wars mode.
Ok, that said, the Vita has a few "perceived" problems.
1.) The Vita really is the first DD handheld.
A lot of what makes the Vita and its gaming library so awesome are titles that you can't see on store shelves. Yes, the 3DS has the e-shop, but if you're shopping for a 3DS at Gamestop or wherever, you'll encounter a wall of games (and racks of DS games). It immediately gives you the impression that "woah, the 3DS has sooo much to play".
With the Vita it's the complete opposite.
First off, some stores stopped updating the actual boxed Vita releases on their shelves (of which there weren't that many after the launch anyways), so to the casual observer it seems like there's still mostly the launch games on that machine. Secondly, in-store the PSP games are rarely associated with the Vita both because the PSP didn't do so well in the west in recent years and also because the Vita can't play the UMDs. But add the PS1 games to the digital PSP games that are available, and you'll have an enormously impressive library that could match the DS "wall of games" quite well.
2.) The Vita is not so much defined by its games as it is defined by the experience of using it.
For me, the whole Vita situation is somewhat comparable to what iPods were like before Apple came up with the iPhone. Why did people buy the new iPods year after year? Using the arguments that people bring up for why the Vita "has no games", these things should not have sold because they "have no MP3s". People bought the iPods because they were sleeker, had cool new OS features, and had more memory year after year. People still listened to the same old music they did before, but they enjoyed it more. The Vita works the same way. Of course you can play that port here, that port there, PSP games on your PSP, PS1 games on your PS1/PS2/PS3, but you could never, ever, ever, play all these things (+ cool Vita exclusives) in the palm of your hand, with such great screen and controls, such a sleek OS, and carry it on one (ridiculously overpriced) memory card.
Sony just doesn't know how to do the proper marketing for this situation. And no, showing a bunch of teenagers jumping around with their Vitas as they shoot invisible enemies is not the way to go.
3.) You can't easily capture video with a regular Vita.
There's not much to say about this. In a time where video content on gaming websites pushes public opinion the most, not having video capture capabilities is a huge problem. Add to that the fact that the gaming press is pissed of because of this (see next point) and you're creating some pretty substantial anti-system bias.
4.) The Vita gets bad press because of the way the gaming press operates.
There is a weird disconnect between the way people like to play their games and the way people in the gaming press play their games. Writers for gaming magazines play games under the pressure of deadlines, have very specific expectations of what games are, and they always have relations with the manufacturer and the greater status of the industry in their minds. This is a big reason why the Vita is getting bad press. As noted above, you can't capture video with the Vita. People tried to film the handheld screen itself, but that just sucks and annoys the hell out of them. But in addition, there's the general problem that handheld gaming does not gel well with a the way the press handles games. Why would you want to play a handheld game in the office when you don't have to pay for the coolest large screen + surround sound gaming setup to use for your reviews?
Also, the Vita integrates incredibly well with the Playstation Network. It carries over (and adds to) all your trophy information, allows for cross-platform purchases and so on. The problem is: the gaming press in America was always much too comfortable with Xbox Live which is why almost everyone ignored this part of PSN. If the Vita was a Microsoft device and people could take over their accounts and achievements, the system would have been received with much bigger enthusiasm.
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There's a few more things that also play into it (e.g., people also hated on the 3DS but they gave in and now they are committed to it which creates some potential for platform warmongering, 3DS has been out for almost twice the time, ...), but overall I think the reasons I mentioned are some that have not yet been mentioned in this thread and I don't want to repeat everything that I agree with.
In any case, the Vita is a great machine (as is the 3DS) and it's a bummer that so many people dismiss it without good reason. On the other hand, it really IS quite expensive - not in absolute terms given the hardware, but in comparison to the 3DS. And there are really not too many blockbusters announced for the next few months. Sony needs to work on both of these problems. But there's really not much wrong with the current Vita lineup in terms of the enjoyment you can get out of it, and therefore "The Vita has no games" is really a pretty wrong statement.
Indeed, I will.But you'll buy ports of FIFA based on old engines, unfinished games like Ridge Racer, and Call of Duty: Declassified?
If there's a better handheld FIFA, I haven't played it. Ridge Racer was banging, and priced according to its lack of modes.
As for CoD, well, I was drunk. Really, really drunk.
KojiKnight
Member
I think he just gave a hyperbolic response to your hyperbole on portable console quality gaming.
It's the ouroboros of internet conversations.
kurtrussell
Banned
WrenchNinja
Member
I think it's cause they're not physical copies.
KojiKnight
Member
Damn, another one that made me giggle. This thread is worth it for these responses alone.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I look at the lineup and the only games I would genuinely pay money for are Wipeout, Uncharted, Marvel 3 and Assassin's Creed, all 4 of which I can play better versions of if I bought a PS3 instead of a Vita. So to me, there's no compelling reason to own the hardware given my finite resources and time.