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Vita has no games... compared to?
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clay_ghost
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Oh this kind of thread again.
Vita have games, lots of them too.
But no systems seller.
? You should stick with physical copies of games then, i always try to do this outside of steam lol
Vita have games, lots of them too.
But no systems seller.
? You should stick with physical copies of games then, i always try to do this outside of steam lol
Fully agree and it definitely beat PSP's first year, yeah at the very least by quality.
To be fair, they have P4G.
it has games, just not a lot that I'm excited for.
Here's a list of things I have for my vita
Gravity rush PS+
Uncharted PS+
Metal gear solid hd
persona 4
disgaea 3 PS+
That's pretty much all the vita games that I'm interested in playing not counting psp and ps1 since I already have a pspgo. Also if not for PS+ i'd prob only gotten gravity rush out of the 3. I have no intention of buying another vita game in the next few months and have nothing to look forward to as of now.
Compare that to my 3ds list
Fire emblem
RE
Soul hacker
EO IV
Monster hunter 3
Devil survivor overclocked
with animal crossing and SMT IV preordered. On top of that I have many games that I want to get for the systems that already came out or coming up like 3d land, zelda OOT, link to the past 2, luigi mansion, monster hunter 4, pheonix wright, donkey kong, rune factory 4, new EO, devil survivor 2 etc. From my point of view you can see that there's pretty much no games for the vita
Here's a list of things I have for my vita
Gravity rush PS+
Uncharted PS+
Metal gear solid hd
persona 4
disgaea 3 PS+
That's pretty much all the vita games that I'm interested in playing not counting psp and ps1 since I already have a pspgo. Also if not for PS+ i'd prob only gotten gravity rush out of the 3. I have no intention of buying another vita game in the next few months and have nothing to look forward to as of now.
Compare that to my 3ds list
Fire emblem
RE
Soul hacker
EO IV
Monster hunter 3
Devil survivor overclocked
with animal crossing and SMT IV preordered. On top of that I have many games that I want to get for the systems that already came out or coming up like 3d land, zelda OOT, link to the past 2, luigi mansion, monster hunter 4, pheonix wright, donkey kong, rune factory 4, new EO, devil survivor 2 etc. From my point of view you can see that there's pretty much no games for the vita
Risk Breaker
Member
Monster Hunter 3, EO IV and DS: OC aren't exactly system sellers for me and I see them posted a lot around here.
Killzone, Tearaway, Dragon's Crown (don't say it doesn't count, because Smash does count), more Uncharted and some God of War, in the 1st party front, will come out for sure. I think that's a comparable amount of future titles. I don't know, I'm fine with 4-5 great 1st party games per year (we just had Soul Sacrifice), it's not like I would have the time to play much more as I don't play exclusively on my Vita and there are also third party games and indies.
Killzone, Tearaway, Dragon's Crown (don't say it doesn't count, because Smash does count
), more Uncharted and some God of War, in the 1st party front, will come out for sure. I think that's a comparable amount of future titles. I don't know, I'm fine with 4-5 great 1st party games per year (we just had Soul Sacrifice), it's not like I would have the time to play much more as I don't play exclusively on my Vita and there are also third party games and indies.WrenchNinja
Member
Some people want new experiences to justify a purchase. 3DS has more of them.
I have a 3DS and a Vita. I prefer the Vita but the 3DS just gets more games.
Also the 3DS definitely has a couple of "must have" games that aren't ports: Super Mario 3D Land and Fire Emblem. Personally I don't think anything else on there is something you can recommend to every single person but that's 2 system sellers.
The closest thing Vita has to a real system seller is Persona 4 Golden. A lot of people played Persona 4 on the PS2 (Although Golden adds A LOT to it) and a niche JRPG/Dating sim is not a system seller for most people.
I play a lot of PSP games I missed on the thing, as well as a lot of the PSone classics. I'm grudgingly going to be playing the 3DS more this summer because of SMT4, hate the feel of the thing, the graphics and resolution in general, and the 3D is always off because it gives me headaches.
I don't regret my Vita at all though. I've actually played it more than the 3DS at this point. The current library isn't bad at all but the coming releases look kind of sparse, let's see what happens at E3.
Also the 3DS definitely has a couple of "must have" games that aren't ports: Super Mario 3D Land and Fire Emblem. Personally I don't think anything else on there is something you can recommend to every single person but that's 2 system sellers.
The closest thing Vita has to a real system seller is Persona 4 Golden. A lot of people played Persona 4 on the PS2 (Although Golden adds A LOT to it) and a niche JRPG/Dating sim is not a system seller for most people.
I play a lot of PSP games I missed on the thing, as well as a lot of the PSone classics. I'm grudgingly going to be playing the 3DS more this summer because of SMT4, hate the feel of the thing, the graphics and resolution in general, and the 3D is always off because it gives me headaches.
I don't regret my Vita at all though. I've actually played it more than the 3DS at this point. The current library isn't bad at all but the coming releases look kind of sparse, let's see what happens at E3.
Talking playability. A lot of multiplats experience issues or are graphically worse on the ps3 than they are on 360. And a bit of the time they impede on the playability of the game.
If playing ports on a handheld offer a different experience or the game ends up being technically superior than the console version (in terms of slow downs, graphic issues or glitches), then it'd count. If it's just a straight port with the same controls and runs the same as the counterparts, then no, it's just down to preference of portability and not the game itself.
clay_ghost
Member
How much did P4G push Vita hardware anyway? I remember a bump in Japan Hardware sales but don't recount any for the west.
They should have make a limited edition Vita using the P4G skin then , i cannot get the skin where i come from ;
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IrishNinja
Member
it's a good little system; i've already got a backlog on it, thanks largely to PS+
however
..in one. just like last gen, there's definitely exclusives id like to play on it (and some multi plat like say VLR) but overall, the 3DS has stuff coming this year that i'm infinitely more excited about than anything on the Vita side, from indie to AAA. nothing wrong with that, but it's gonna come up in these entirely unnecessary comparisons.
however
..in one. just like last gen, there's definitely exclusives id like to play on it (and some multi plat like say VLR) but overall, the 3DS has stuff coming this year that i'm infinitely more excited about than anything on the Vita side, from indie to AAA. nothing wrong with that, but it's gonna come up in these entirely unnecessary comparisons.
It's all preference. Rarely is one version superior in all ways. Why that makes it less important beats me.
People seem to like telling others they don't like convenience :S Guess no one does really, that's why people hook their PC's up everywhere they go to check their emails.
I thought it was plainly obvious that the "Vita has no games" is hyperbole based off of there not being much of a must-have on it. The best thing you can say about the Vita is it's powerful and can handle a lot of console-style games on it, but for someone like me who'd prefer to play a console game on a console and not a portable, my Vita hasn't done much to me except for being my P4G machine. If you're the kind of person who likes to have a machine filled with a plethora of ports and indie games then it's probably your kind of machine, but quality-wise there's not much on there that you can't get on other consoles, and with those memory cards it gets pricey to maintain.
Yes, there's a PSP library to be played on there that increases the backlog as well, assuming you don't already have one. But the DS also has a massive backlog to be explored with the 3DS, and while that comparison may be a stretch since PSV only offers a lot of the games digitally, it doesn't offer all of them, and a few of them still cater to a very niche brand.
Ultimately that's what it comes down to, the Vita is a niche machine that suits niche needs. If you have a reason to believe that what it offers appeals to you then you'll probably get a lot of mileage out of it. But for someone like me who'd rather have a portable for the sake of getting a lot of high quality exclusive experiences out of it that are tailored for the handheld, I don't really have much use with it. Soul Sacrifice and Gravity Rush both didn't do much to me and those were the two games I got the Vita for.
Yes, there's a PSP library to be played on there that increases the backlog as well, assuming you don't already have one. But the DS also has a massive backlog to be explored with the 3DS, and while that comparison may be a stretch since PSV only offers a lot of the games digitally, it doesn't offer all of them, and a few of them still cater to a very niche brand.
Ultimately that's what it comes down to, the Vita is a niche machine that suits niche needs. If you have a reason to believe that what it offers appeals to you then you'll probably get a lot of mileage out of it. But for someone like me who'd rather have a portable for the sake of getting a lot of high quality exclusive experiences out of it that are tailored for the handheld, I don't really have much use with it. Soul Sacrifice and Gravity Rush both didn't do much to me and those were the two games I got the Vita for.
KojiKnight
Member
Are you really arguing semantics here? We all know what people mean on this forum when they say "there are no games"... to argue that it's not accurate to say it that way is just... well... dickish.
People shouldn't have to type out every time "Vita has no games that fit my particular interests and desires, but I'm fully aware that other games do exist, but none of them fit the criteria I need to purchase the console." Bitch just ain't got no games!
clay_ghost
Member
Persona 4 Golden is ;P
we have to admit that most PS3 ports to Vita(Sly copper ,MK) are slightly downgraded , only some are better (DOA plus comes to mind) .
^ Who would expect otherwise. For people who buy a portable console for the portability and not because they are desperate for more games, the fact that the games are running well on a handheld tends to make those differences a non-issue. Convenience overrules a lot for someone interested in a handheld.
P4 seems like a bad example, it's basically already on PS2.
Why didn't you just sit at that for 80hours and play it instead of buying a vita if no other games or the platform's portability itself didn't interest you
P4 seems like a bad example, it's basically already on PS2.
Why didn't you just sit at that for 80hours and play it instead of buying a vita if no other games or the platform's portability itself didn't interest you
the androgyne
Member
The idea of a "real system seller" has changed so much over the years. Lumines, Ridge Racer, Wipeout were all considered system sellers for PSP. Barring Ridge Racer, Vita's versions of those games compare favourably with the older versions but they're no longer system sellers. People were buying PSP for graphics back then but these days even something as incredible looking as Uncharted won't move systems, let alone a damn puzzle game!
Hell this Gamespot article cites Burnout, NFL Street as their favourite games too. Ports or compilations!
Hell this Gamespot article cites Burnout, NFL Street as their favourite games too. Ports or compilations!
P4 seems like a bad example, it's basically already on PS2.
Why didn't you just sit at that for 80hours and play it instead of buying a vita if no other games or the platform's portability itself didn't interest you
Personally I agree it's not exactly a sales incentive. That said I'm one of the rare people who never owned a PS2. If I did, I probably wouldn't have kept my Vita since Persona is one of my favorite franchises. P4G ended up justifying my purchase where I had hoped Gravity Rush would have.
KojiKnight
Member
Your only example is a console game for a console that was 12 years old. Kudos.
Bethesda couldn't even get it right on PS3... now you'd "trusting" them on a portable?
I'd buy a Vita again for Skyrim portable... though I'd miss the mods from my laptop and PC.
clay_ghost
Member
^ Who would expect otherwise.
P4 seems like a bad example, it's basically already on PS2.
Why didn't you just sit at that for 80hours and play it instead of buying a vita if no other games or the platform's portability itself didn't interest you
? I prefers gaming on portable a lot , i have said that quite a few times on GAF too.
That why i brought Vita in the 1st place, my plan for next gen is 3DS plus Vita Plus one more Console for most of next gen.
Until the other two get cheaper of course.
That's because the PS3 is a mess to work with compared to Xbox 360. And Bethesda is too lazy to put extra work in the ps3 version. PS Vita is much easier.
RAM was the issue was it not? Doesn't the Vita have plenty more?
You'd be happy spending all that time hooked up to your ps2 when you could have played it at your ultimate convenience? How do these people not realise that other people won't be as strict with their gaming or will want a bit more control over their gaming.
I don't get these people saying something that basically equates to convenience doesn't matter. Who cares if you're not interested or willing to suffer through the chains of a living room setup, it's the whole point of the platform, there are others that do value it.
I'm picturing you lot as some dude in a dark humid room hooked up to a tiny monitor playing an indie like minecraft thinking, shit who would want to play this wherever, look at the draw distance!
Monster Hunter 3, EO IV and DS: OC aren't exactly system sellers for me and I see them posted a lot around here.
Killzone, Tearaway, Dragon's Crown (don't say it doesn't count, because Smash does count
Ok, I did forget Smash was 3ds (so was Sonic now that I think about it) but is there a confirmed God of War or Uncharted coming? Sure there probably will be but how far away is it? A year? Two, three? How commited are Sony to the Vita's success? How long will they support the Vita before abandoning it?
Unlike Nintendo, who's entire business is to make Wii U and 3ds successful, Sony has dozens of divisions, and I'm worried Sony might view the Vita as a low priority. I hope I'm wrong and that they show they are commited to Vita by announcing some great exclusives at E3 and if they do I'll most likely buy one. But I'm worried they'll ignore Vita to focus on PS4.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
It always puzzles me when people say this. How many games do you buy a month?
I honestly dont buy more than 8 retail and 1O digital titles a year on any plaform. There is way more out there already on the Vita than I comfortably play in its lifespan.
I know people get worked up about this because of how much a platform is selling etc but as far as im concerned, as long as there is always a new game of whatever size (Mini, PSN or retail) to play whenever I want one, I really cant see what the problem is.
I Think with gamers, especailly on this site, there is a desperate crave to hoard and collect loads of games that dont even get played or only get played once. Thats why the Vita is a issue, just the PS3s one was once opon a time.
I honestly dont buy more than 8 retail and 1O digital titles a year on any plaform. There is way more out there already on the Vita than I comfortably play in its lifespan.
I know people get worked up about this because of how much a platform is selling etc but as far as im concerned, as long as there is always a new game of whatever size (Mini, PSN or retail) to play whenever I want one, I really cant see what the problem is.
I Think with gamers, especailly on this site, there is a desperate crave to hoard and collect loads of games that dont even get played or only get played once. Thats why the Vita is a issue, just the PS3s one was once opon a time.
Always get a Nintendo handheld.
Always get a Sony home console.
That's the rules man
Vita has good games but there's nothing that sells me on the system. I'm getting a 3ds for Pokemon X for starters. As soon as a 3ds Pokemon game was announced that's when I made the promise that I'll get a 3ds and I know at least 5 other people who are doing the same.
Always get a Sony home console.
That's the rules man
Vita has good games but there's nothing that sells me on the system. I'm getting a 3ds for Pokemon X for starters. As soon as a 3ds Pokemon game was announced that's when I made the promise that I'll get a 3ds and I know at least 5 other people who are doing the same.
ThisWreckage
Banned
It has games. The mantra that it doesn't is one of the biggest myths in gaming.
Duxxy3
Member
The Vita has games, it's just lacking new releases and it costs way too much money for the system and especially the memory cards.
I'm still convinced that if they got a bundle with an 8GB memory card and a free game for $199 that it would sell, and far better than it is right now. Without a price drop the vita is in limbo, not quite dead buy not alive either.
I'm still convinced that if they got a bundle with an 8GB memory card and a free game for $199 that it would sell, and far better than it is right now. Without a price drop the vita is in limbo, not quite dead buy not alive either.
It's very rare for me that whenever I leave the house, I'll have the opportunity to play on a handheld. My bus trip to uni takes roughly 30 minutes but I have to jump between buses meaning there's no much reason for me to dig out a handheld to play for 10 minutes. A vast majority of my gaming is done at home, and if I have a game like Persona, I'd much rather chill in the comfort of my couch in front of a TV rather than hunched over a handheld. Games like these need a timesink, and I'm not one that's much for putting on a game only to skim a couple of lines of dialogue.
If I ever have a game console with me it's usually my 3DS, because I know I can do a quick round of Fire Emblem, a couple of games on WarioWare or even some stages of Mario 3D Land because I know I'll a sense of quick satisfaction and progress out of it.
Really? Was this even necessary?
PatientRain
Member
Ha ha! This is great!
There's some truth in the irony here, too: I think the true block-busters come and go a lot less frequently on the handhelds, and the moments between them can feel like moments without games. There are a lot of games in the Vita library right now, and just about every week brings something new, but they're mostly smaller titles. I get the criticism for Vita's library, but I don't think it can stand up to scrutiny.
Who cares is my point, could you not see that others might have longer on their trip? Or maybe even play it at home for one reason or another.
Sorry to be blunt, I can FULLY understand people who don't see the appeal of the Vita (at anywhere near its cost) because they are fully content with their own setups etc. But the point is that some people (arguably people who would be interested in the vita to begin with and so the only people that really ought to matter) will appreciate these things it provides (by nature) that you don't. Hence making multiports still significant and potentially, incredibly different.
For a lot of people even though they have the console, they just wouldn't bother playing it if it wasn't on their handheld. - especially now that they're used to it.
But you can also have quick satisfaction with the Vita. In fact it basically specialises in that - giving you quick satisfying experiences of high quality that you'd expect with a longer sitting at a console.
The Incarnation
Member
I wouldn't say so. Lack of internal memory handicaps it, not using the most common form of memory cards was borderline psychotic, especially if Sony desires people to purchase some of the PSP and ps1 back catologue along with digital vita releases, not to mention patches and dlc.
A consumer friendly redesign wouldn't go amiss. I'd would have thought a company who saw the sense to allow PS3 hard drives to be easily swapped out to have more sense.
I would take Vita year 1 over 3DS year one (and Wii U year 1 too if you want to throw that in), just that the Vita has no chance of competing with 3ds year 2 and 3. I never had a PSP though (used to play my brother's) so I don't feel my vita purchase has been a waste since I'm able to play all the psp/psx games on dat beautiful oled screen. And the ps4 will give it another use, but yeah shame about the game situation for the Vita, I'm sure they'll be a few games a year that will interest me but whatever.
the androgyne
Member
Vita's actually made me buy more than i normally do! Hell i got 8 games in the last month or so (admittedly Vita's best month it'll likely ever have and a lot of sales, but hey, all good games!):
Lumines Electronic Symphony (sale)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus
Fifa Football (sale)
Pro Baseball Spirits 2013
Rayman Origins (sale)
DOA5+
PSO2
SFxTK (sale)
KojiKnight
Member
I like how people are still arguing semantics. No one is saying the systems LITERALLY has no games. No one is. The argument comes from killer, must have, system selling games... of which the PS Vita has none. Uncharted was supposed to be that game at launch, but it was too much of a "light" entry into the series so that didn't do it. Next up was Gravity Rush, which is a fairly good game, but just lacked the appeal of a big name series. Resistance was universally panned by critics. Haven't been keeping up on other shooters... but none of them have done well, which were a primary seller on PS3.
So, what's left? Mostly ports/multiplats/minor sequels... nothing that screams "must buy".
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I care. Because as I've said, it's not a console that suits my needs, and while I've already conceded in my first post that other people might find that appealing, you're the one who's actively trying to devalue my view on the console here.
Fuck, debating with time travelers is such a non-starter, it's an unfair advantage.
This. And also people like to repeat this "has no gaems" non sense for some reason.
Flightmare
Member
My list:
Vita retail:
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Gravity Rush
Mortal Kombat
Fifa football
Playstation all star
Assassin's Creed III: liberation
Touch My Katamari
Persona 4: Golden
PSN
Super Stardust Delta
PSP:
Ratchet & Clank size matters
Little big planet psp
God of War chains of Olympus
PSONE:
Final Fantasy VII
Never owned a playstation before so I'm quite satisfied. Planning to get Sly 4, Jak & Daxter HD collection, Killzone Mercenary, Soul Sacrifice. I'm currently playing vita more than 3DS, but that will probably change when bravely default and Pokemon launches later this year
Vita retail:
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Gravity Rush
Mortal Kombat
Fifa football
Playstation all star
Assassin's Creed III: liberation
Touch My Katamari
Persona 4: Golden
PSN
Super Stardust Delta
PSP:
Ratchet & Clank size matters
Little big planet psp
God of War chains of Olympus
PSONE:
Final Fantasy VII
Never owned a playstation before so I'm quite satisfied. Planning to get Sly 4, Jak & Daxter HD collection, Killzone Mercenary, Soul Sacrifice. I'm currently playing vita more than 3DS, but that will probably change when bravely default and Pokemon launches later this year
