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[Terra]

In summary, if Durango is almost as powerful and 100 cheaper than PS4 (speculation) - is what I love about Sony's hardware right now going to look like a mistake?

You can be sure that Sony will be competing. Especially how they learned the hard way what a high price means for sales.

 

[manueldelalas]

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Knack is (as far as we know) PS4 exclusive.
So will Media Molecule's new project.
I think Deep Down is next-gen exclusive.

Did you really just say almost nothing on vita couldn't be done on 3DS? Have you seen Uncharted Golden Abyss? When the prettiest game on 3DS is Monster Hunter 4 and Kid Icarus.....no. The "there's almost no game on it that couldn't be done on 3DS" statement isn't really true.

And did you miss the entire 45 minutes or so where they talked about new-features with the PS4 and Gaikai and online integration that is completely different than current-gen?

And I'm not sure why you dismiss inFAMOUS or Killzone. They're good games. Microsoft doesn't need to make new IPs to convince people to move onto a new platform. They just need to say "Hey, Halo 5. Launch window" and the people will flock.

Knack got me that Ape Escape feeling, that must be a good thing, but then again, I don't think it is a system seller in the same way Ape Escape wasn't.

I forgot about MM project, I was trying to erase that from my memory, but that definitely wasn't exciting, to me at least, and I don't think the casual market is prepared to pay US$450 for a console to play that game, when they could just buy a Wii with JD4 or a PS3 with Rock Band (IF they don't own those consoles already, which they do).
Deep Down is a tech demo, when we see gameplay, we talk (although it IS Capcom, so it will look awesome).

OK, so you counter my "almost no game..." argument with one game?? Obviously I said almost because stuff like Uncharted, GR and that MH Ifanune game exists, but you can't deny that the vast majority of VITA games (exclusive or not) could be done on 3DS with little loss.

I dismiss inFamous and Killzone because we are talking about sales here, and as those weren't big hardware drivers last generation, I don't see how anyone think those games will drive sales of the PS4.

And yes, MSFT needs to announce Halo 5, because Halo sells systems, so it's valid. It's not unfair, it's how the market is, it's not MSFT fault that Sony's IPs don't sell their systems (except GT, which I expect be revealed at E3 and have a GT6 paid demo thing near launch).

 

[Drek]

I'm pretty psyched that the PS4 looks powerful as far as the hardware is concerned, but then so is my Vita and we all know how that is turning out. How can Sony make things better with the PS4? Wasn't PS3 more powerful than 360 this gen and didn't it consistently have underperforming multiplatform games? Won't we see another "least common denominator" scenario with PS4 and Durango?

In summary, if Durango is almost as powerful and 100 cheaper than PS4 (speculation) - is what I love about Sony's hardware right now going to look like a mistake?

1. The price difference between PS4 and Durango won't be significant if MS is even in the same ballpark hardware-wise.

2. The PS3 had more theoretical processing power, less memory, and far less dev friendly tools and architecture. This is why games made specifically for the system shine. Next generation "least common denominator" will still allow for significantly more scaling, as both will be running more more similar architecture (AMD CPUs, ATi GPUs, etc.).

3. The Vita is struggling because the dedicated handheld market is all but dead outside of Japan, in decline there, and it costs more than what consumers are comfortable spending on a uni-tasking portable device. The PS4 is aiming at a market segment that grew last generation, has done nothing but grow for about three decades now, and where a bit higher premium for high end hardware is accepted.

4. Sony's first party studios and IPs are heavily focused on the home consumer. They have little mindshare with the handheld specific gamer, they have several strong brands on their consoles that compel users to buy systems.

5. 3rd party support for the next PS4 is guaranteed, it's anything but that for the Vita.

6. Sony's commitment to the PS4 will be on an entirely different level from the Vita from a marketing standpoint. The PS4 will be pushed heavily.

Ultimately your theses also boils down to a logical fallacy too, by the way. How are two products with incongruous target audiences supposed to predict the likelihood of success for the other? By your logic Apple should have never released the iPhone because they weren't a strong contender in the whole "personal computing" market via their laptops. Not only did it work out well, it strengthened the laptop brand along the way.

The same could well be true for Sony. A successful PS4 will have an echo within PS Vita sales and developer support, especially if the PS4 becomes the dominant home console in Japan, even despite the shrinking audience there for a home console.

 

[commish]

I'm pretty psyched that the PS4 looks powerful as far as the hardware is concerned, but then so is my Vita and we all know how that is turning out. How can Sony make things better with the PS4? Wasn't PS3 more powerful than 360 this gen and didn't it consistently have underperforming multiplatform games? Won't we see another "least common denominator" scenario with PS4 and Durango?

In summary, if Durango is almost as powerful and 100 cheaper than PS4 (speculation) - is what I love about Sony's hardware right now going to look like a mistake?

You really don't understand the difference between the position of the PS4/PS3 and Vita/PSP?

 

[Sipowicz]

First Party Studios.

nailed it

Sony will actually try on PS4 unlike Vita. Console's are also Sony's forte so they should be fine (although i doubt they'll sell as much as the PS3 did)

 

[Amneisac]

You really don't understand the difference between the position of the PS4/PS3 and Vita/PSP?

Well, I thought I went on to explain in my post that my concern is the philosophy behind creating the most powerful hardware isn't always going to guarantee success. I think that applies to PS3 and Vita, but I used Vita as Sony's most recent example.

I also would disagree on some level that the handheld market is abandoning dedicated gaming hardware (a lot of people seem to be saying this) as evidenced by the strong sales of the 3DS.

But yes, I understand that handheld and console gaming markets aren't the same and that Sony will provide better first party support to the PS4.