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VP of Digital Media at Microsoft Confirms NO 1080p HD-DVD or DVD over Component
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plagiarize
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if i was MS i'd throw somethingon xbox live arcade soon that runs at 1080p native just for it to be there.PhatSaqs said:
marble blast ultra could probably run at 1080p pretty comfortably.
the plot doesn't thicken. Monkey and Ponn both know that what the MS rep says is true, they just think the sony rep actually meant to say that there weren't any 1080p games for the xbox 360 despite that not being what he actually said.m0dus said:
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This is truly, the only way it CAN work without breaking the AAC's restrictions.
People seem to also be confusing "1080p videos", with "copy-protected 1080p Hollywood movies". The latter being 100% not allowed (although physically possible) to be output over component at full resolution.
m0dus said:
He's not going to come back - just like the 1up "Ninja Gaiden Black on PS3" thread he started, when the 1up dudes made it sound like a trick - when his card gets pulled, he ducks out...
Either way, this was a useless "haha MS lied - oh wait they didn't" thread that was totally unnecessary since there is already a 360 1080p thread with this info in it...
He tried to call out MS, and failed miserably, again.
segasonic said:
The question to ask isn't when 1080p will become standard but rather when it will become relevant, which is far sooner than when it becomes standard. In fact, it's already proving relevant based on the part it plays in defining the direction of two next-gen game platforms now as well as both successors to the current DVD movie standard.snatches said:
monkeymagic
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arne said:
Until we see some native 1080p games it doesn't.
Right now all this update is good for is scaling 720p games to 1080p. Just as previously it had been able to scale 720p games to 1080i.
Microsoft alluding to native 1080p games is the same way they alluded to 1080p HD-DVD over component when neither actually exists.
I guess they hope they can fool more people by saying as little as possible.
plagiarize
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hmmn. he wasn't saying that in this thread... his posts on the second page seemed to be agreeing with Ponn who had no trouble believing the 360 could render internally at 1080p... but i see now how he might still have believed that.arne said:
edit: guess you're right. just saw his post above me. he remains batshit insane.
meltpotato
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monkeymagic said:
I guess Sony doesn't have free online play either :lol
Well then they should break the stupid AAC restrictions. The restrictions are retarded and do absolutely nothing to prevent piracy. The only purpose these AAC restrictions serve is to punish legitimate customers. People who want to copy and pirate movies are not playing back and manually recording video over an analog connection.Jim said:
plagiarize
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do you know what 'capable' means? it means something can do something, whether or not it actually does. a bomb is capable of exploding even if it never does.monkeymagic said:
it also opens the door for a developer to make a game in 1080p where as before there was no point.
the press release alluded to no such thing. Microsoft no more alluded to this than Sony did when talking about the $499 PS3. as i told you on the PS3 thread, more than once... the PS3 is capable of outputting a movie in 1080p over component if the disc isn't copy protected. not all store bought DVDs are. self burnt home movies won't be. the same is true of the xbox 360.
yes. you *guess*. just as you *guess* that everything sony says is true.
Why wouldn't it be capable of 1080p games? ATi has said that the 360's graphics card is capable of 1080p. Your argument makes no sense. If 1080p HD DVD over component is not allowed it is only because of AAC copy protection restrictions which do not apply to video games. The Xbox 360 can certainly display 1080p video over component when AAC restriction is not present.monkeymagic said:
What reason do you have to believe that 1080p games are not possible on Xbox 360? Thankfully the video game industry has not been corrupted by copy protection the way Hollywood movie industry has.
VictimOfGrief
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who the F*** cares about 1080p? I sure as hell don't with my 720p/1080i TV.
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monkeymagic said:
hey, I could decide to not quote something too if it served my purpose, such as the part where *I* said
I can guarantee you that you'll be hard pressed to find an actual statement from MS that said that, because it doesn't exist. that all came from reading incorrectly between the lines.
just as soon as i'm done with coding this psychonauts BC, I'll code you a 1080p version of lode runner, 'k? what's a peek and a poke? I need help.
plagiarize
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here's a warm thought for the Sony Defense Force.
doesn't Microsoft accepting 1080p as a standard make it more likely that multiplatform games will come out in 1080p on both systems? isn't it really plausible that you'll see more 1080p games on the playstation 3 than you would have done otherwise now?
shouldn't that make you happy?
doesn't Microsoft accepting 1080p as a standard make it more likely that multiplatform games will come out in 1080p on both systems? isn't it really plausible that you'll see more 1080p games on the playstation 3 than you would have done otherwise now?
shouldn't that make you happy?
Having a 1080p HDTV as reference:
After the update, Xbox360 can output true 1080p signal through component and VGA.
Only when using the VGA cable will it output 1080p in DVD movies through upscaling and true 1080p in HD-DVD movies that support this resolution.
When using the Component calbe it'll be at best 480p in DVD movies and as high as 1080i in the case of HD-DVD movies.
For any other thing it'll output true 1080p or upscale to it depending on the situation no matter the video cable used.
Is that right?
After the update, Xbox360 can output true 1080p signal through component and VGA.
Only when using the VGA cable will it output 1080p in DVD movies through upscaling and true 1080p in HD-DVD movies that support this resolution.
When using the Component calbe it'll be at best 480p in DVD movies and as high as 1080i in the case of HD-DVD movies.
For any other thing it'll output true 1080p or upscale to it depending on the situation no matter the video cable used.
Is that right?
plagiarize
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yep. spot on.JMPovoa said:
i'm gonna make this simple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV
what difference does it make when pretty much all of these....
have to fit into this SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE???
unless everyone buys a HUGE television, IT DOESNT MATTER! thats why HD DVD and BR are having such a hard time as it is. going up to 1080p only worsens the perceive quality jump when the tube is still small.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV
what difference does it make when pretty much all of these....
have to fit into this SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE???
unless everyone buys a HUGE television, IT DOESNT MATTER! thats why HD DVD and BR are having such a hard time as it is. going up to 1080p only worsens the perceive quality jump when the tube is still small.
thirty said:i'm gonna make this simple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV
what difference does it make when pretty much all of these....
have to fit into this SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE???
unless everyone buys a HUGE television, IT DOESNT MATTER! thats why HD DVD and BR are having such a hard time as it is. going up to 1080p only worsens the perceive quality jump when the tube is still small.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
DenogginizerOS said:
This year's CEDIA (going on right now) says no.
By the time this generation starts to hit mass-market ... say 3 years or so ... there will be tons of 1080p TV's available under $2000 for large sizes, and less for smaller displays.
Will more people have 720p/1080i TV's in their homes by the end of this generation? Sure. However, there will be enough of a userbase of 1080p-capable TV's that this is will affect more than a niche market.
monkeymagic said:
You're just being f'ing ridiculous now.
With what I've read from you in just the past 2 days, you are by far and wide the most nonsensical, jaded and ignorant poster I've seen here... seriously, who are you to say that the 360 being able to render at 1080p is a downright lie? Even on the day that the update comes out and people are displaying games and video at 1080p, are you still going to say they are lying?
All you are right now is some kind of pretend developer whose knowledge of these kind of things most likely extend no further than what you read on this very forum - stop embarassing yourself...
Seriously. You know nothing about the hardware, yet you continue to make yourself look like a fool...
Shogmaster
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Mmmkay said:
You're right, now that I read the article again, they don't mention component anywhere.
The reason why I kept going on about the article is because of the fact that Shane Kim said that ALL content would be upscaled to up to 1080p.
ALL content meaning - HD-DVD, and regular DVDs. They didn't add the caveat those would only be possible over VGA only.
Nowhere in that little tidbit did they specify that it would be VGA only. That is why I got a little excited about it. I'm stuck on a 3 year old component only TV and I would love to have an upscaling DVD player.
The entire Joystiq article led me to believe that all of these features would be unlocked for every single Xbox 360 owner. They didn't specify or even give a clue that it would be restricted to every single Xbox 360 owner who is using VGA.
OldJadedGamer
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monkeymagic said:
Now I'm confused... Doesn't Sony allude to the fact that the $499 PS3 can play video in 1080p over component? Has Sony themselves gone on the record to say that Blu-Ray movies can't be played in 1080p on the cheaper version?
plagiarize
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yes there are but they're not cheap sadly. multiple hundreds for a half decent one last i looked.segasonic said:
AlanHemberger
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So clearly the 360 has more ways to output 1080p. Sony shitbaked? Microsoft just won the console war? Oh yeah, it never ****ing mattered to begin with. Monkeymagic, you never answered my question sweetcakes... pillow biter?Shogmaster said:
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KeithFranklin
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Will you be able to stream HD content from Windows Media Center Edition to the 360 in 1080P.
Thats all I would care about since I am sitting out the HD-DVD/BluRay battle in favor of media stored on a server.
Thats all I would care about since I am sitting out the HD-DVD/BluRay battle in favor of media stored on a server.
KeithFranklin said:
Heh, Your network would have to be a monster to handle 1080p streaming. I'm sure it would be possible, but you'd need Wireless N to do it. My wireless G network can barely handle streaming 480p and 5.1. Microsoft recommeds wireless A for 720p/1080i content. I've tried to stream 720p conent from my media center PC to my TV and its been a choppy mess because there just isn't enough bandwidth to handle it over Wireless G.
OldJadedGamer
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segasonic said:
So how is this any different then what MS is doing? How can Sony condem them yet do the exact same thing? Now I'm super confused.
KeithFranklin
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bill0527 said:
My devices for this are hardwired 100MB Ethernet. Getting one megaserver and letting TV's all over the house access it with XBOX 360's. Sick and tired of my kids moving DVD's around the house or recording something with the TIVO downstairs when my wife and I want to watch it up stairs before we go to bed.
Wireless is for sitting on the couch with my laptop.