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Wada: FFXIII might not be released in 2008. reason: DQIX

Wollan said:
Pretty obvious for like forever.

But, to blame DQIX on the DS? A portable game handled by Level 5. lul
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Dragon Quest VIII on the PS2 was handled by Level-5, too. It has nothing to do with the project consuming coders. It's a business move. Which is actually exactly what he said. RIF.

reilo said:
This is not like releasing DQ8 and FFX on the PS2 at the same time. This is releasing DQ9 on the Nintendo DS and FFXIII on the PS3. Two entirely different consoles, two entirely different markets.

This "bad for business" excuse sounds like bullshit.
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It's not bullshit. The fact that one is on the DS and the other is on the PS3 changes nothing. It's still the Dragon Quest Market and the Final Fantasy Market. There's still a great deal of overlap. And they still need to stagger their releases so all their blockbusters aren't coming out at one time.
 
HK-47 said:
To see fangirls like you squirm? Yeah I guess.
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You're flat out pathetic, and not a gamer by any means then. You of all people have no room to call out other people. Then again, you never add anything remotely constructive anyways, joke character without the funny.
 
reilo said:
Bad for business?

This is not like releasing DQ8 and FFX on the PS2 at the same time. This is releasing DQ9 on the Nintendo DS and FFXIII on the PS3. Two entirely different consoles, two entirely different markets.

This "bad for business" excuse sounds like bullshit.
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You seem to have no idea why it is bad for business. So let me explain. Square Enix is not a private company, they're are publically listed and traded. They have investors. As such, if you release two of your biggest titles in the same business year, this means that the profits for that year will be much higher than usual, but at the same time the next year would without a doubt suffer. You would want to spread the profits out over two years optimiumly, so you get great profits consistantly.

It has nothing to do with consumers or overlap in sales, and everything to do with projections, profit margins and investor reports.
 
gogogow said:
Release FFXIII in 2008 for the US market and 2009 for Japan.
And release DQIX in 2008 for the Japanese market as planned.

Problem solved. Don't care about the European release, I import all my games anyway.
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What IS the reason FFXIII couldn't be released in the US first? You know, besides SE being gigantic assholes about it.
 
It has nothing to do with consumers or overlap in sales, and everything to do with projections, profit margins and investor reports.
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True, but...

DQ9 is probably much closer to completion than 13. I don't think they could ship 13 in 2008 even if they wanted to.
 
duckroll said:
You seem to have no idea why it is bad for business. So let me explain. Square Enix is not a private company, they're are publically listed and traded. They have investors. As such, if you release two of your biggest titles in the same business year, this means that the profits for that year will be much higher than usual, but at the same time the next year would without a doubt suffer. You would want to spread the profits out over two years optimiumly, so you get great profits consistantly.

It has nothing to do with consumers or overlap in sales, and everything to do with projections, profit margins and investor reports.
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butbutbut it's bullshit, they are using DQIX as an excuse!!!11!11!

lol
 
Teknoman said:
Whats wrong? Both are/should be AMAZING games. As long as we get one of em this year.
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Are you in Japan? You'll definitely get DQIX. Elsewhere?...erm. I mean, they haven't even announced localizations for DQIV or FFIV DS (which I assume would be coming).
 
Expecting FFXIII not to come out in 09 is nearly as pathetic as expecting it to come out in 08.
(Except if you're talking about PAL, but that doesn't matter on PS3 thanks to Sony)

Also, listen to duckroll.
 
Systems_id said:
What IS the reason FFXIII couldn't be released in the US first? You know, besides SE being gigantic assholes about it.
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yeah, western devs should release their games in japan first too.

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come on.
 
ethelred said:
Dragon Quest VIII on the PS2 was handled by Level-5, too. It has nothing to do with the project consuming coders. It's a business move. Which is actually exactly what he said. RIF.



It's not bullshit. The fact that one is on the DS and the other is on the PS3 changes nothing. It's still the Dragon Quest Market and the Final Fantasy Market. There's still a great deal of overlap. And they still need to stagger their releases so all their blockbusters aren't coming out at one time.
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I guess they are too busy cashing in on those remakes for the DS. Give me some new games already >:|
 
jgwhiteus said:
Are you in Japan? You'll definitely get DQIX. Elsewhere?...erm. I mean, they haven't even announced localizations for DQIV or FFIV Advance (which I assume would be coming).
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Nevermind then...dunno why I took that as getting it in english. Heh I always think that when I read about a release, then I realize it was japanese.
 
For people who have somehow managed to go amnesiac on Square Enix's release calendar over the past six years:

2002: Kingdom Hearts
2003: Final Fantasy X-2
2004: Dragon Quest VIII
2005: Kingdom Hearts II
2006: Final Fantasy XII

So how would good business be:
2008: Final Fantasy XIII + Dragon Quest IX?
 
Systems_id said:
What IS the reason FFXIII couldn't be released in the US first? You know, besides SE being gigantic assholes about it.
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It's obviously possible, but SE is a Japanese company and AFAIK FF is bigger in Japan.

By the way, if he wants to talk about good or bad business decisions, I would love for him to explain why the next FF (AND a spinoff) is headed towards the console with the worst sales in the market (at the moment, at least). I'm not even being sarcastic or smarmy - I'm really curious to know.
 
duckroll said:
You seem to have no idea why it is bad for business. So let me explain. Square Enix is not a private company, they're are publically listed and traded. They have investors. As such, if you release two of your biggest titles in the same business year, this means that the profits for that year will be much higher than usual, but at the same time the next year would without a doubt suffer. You would want to spread the profits out over two years optimiumly, so you get great profits consistantly.

It has nothing to do with consumers or overlap in sales, and everything to do with projections, profit margins and investor reports.
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They knew this before they started development on the titles, so if they actually have to delay FF XIII for this reason, that's pretty shitty planning and management. It sounds more like FFXIII just wont be ready to release in 2008.
 
ethelred said:
For people who have somehow managed to go amnesiac on Square Enix's release calendar over the past six years:

2002: Kingdom Hearts
2003: Final Fantasy X-2
2004: Dragon Quest VIII
2005: Kingdom Hearts II
2006: Final Fantasy XII

So how would good business be:
2008: Final Fantasy XIII + Dragon Quest IX?
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you're forgetting that they can pad 2009, 2010 and onwards with the rest of the 13 spin-offs

jk
 
Cool Hand Luke said:
They knew this before they started development on the titles, so if they actually have to delay FF XIII for this reason, that's pretty shitty planning and management. It sounds more like FFXIII just wont be ready to release in 2008.
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duckroll said:
Wada didn't say anything of the sort implied by the title or the OP. It's a business interview, and the question that is referred to was actually a question about his views on the business possibility of FFXIII and DQIX being released in the same year and his viewpoint on that. That's all. Of course it's a bad business idea, everyone would agree, but that has nothing to do with the development facts at all.

In fact, in the question BEFORE that he was asked about the big titles for 2008. Here's what he said:

In terms of major releases, we're basically look at DQIX. There's also Last Remnant, which is a multiplatform title we're expecting this year, although it has no date yet. It's a title we are planning on cultivating quite a bit. On the other hand as for Final Fantasy XIII being developed for the PS3, we currently have no idea at all (about the release) at present.
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eh, just show some gameplay to keep my interest strong.... WKS story will give me rpg fix...though I might not have access to my ps3 for the best part of a year...so I dont care that much
 
Error said:
yeah, western devs should release their games in japan first too.

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come on.
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Except that FF games do nearly as well in the US as in Japan while most Western games completely tank in Japan. There's really no reason not to. Fans would be there day one regardless.
 
Himuro said:
Um. We will get FFIV, DQIV-VI, and DQIX.
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I know...I was talking about getting a localization this year. DQIX is already confirmed in 2008 for Japan (I think, but no definite release date) but I don't know how long the localization process will take - DQIV and FFIV were released 2-3 months ago in Japan, with no localization plans or dates announced. So add on a few months to a year from DQIX's release, and it doesn't seem likely we'd get it in the US this year.
 
Y2Kev said:
Hey, I'm squirming cause I want to play FFXIII. :lol
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So do I but I understand why this is happening and I will have plenty of other games to play. Including DQ IX.

Also lol Rzez
 
Anyway, we get crisis core this year...I'm pretty hyped for the game

Releasing the Last Remnant...they probably think that will tide some people over
 
Well screw that if they can manage to finish the game in this year with out hurting the vision they should! But I guess that makes sense financially bastards!
 
Arsenic said:
Yeah? They also sell alot more in PAL territories, but they seem to get shitted on regardless.
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They sell more in NA. And PAL DOES get shitted on regardless, it has nothing to do with sales. Trying to compared FF and MGS in terms of regional sales is laughable
 
ethelred said:
For people who have somehow managed to go amnesiac on Square Enix's release calendar over the past six years:

2002: Kingdom Hearts
2003: Final Fantasy X-2
2004: Dragon Quest VIII
2005: Kingdom Hearts II
2006: Final Fantasy XII

So how would good business be:
2008: Final Fantasy XIII + Dragon Quest IX?
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To be fair, all of those were being released for the same system.
 
Systems_id said:
Except that FF games do nearly as well in the US as in Japan
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They don't really, no. FFX is the only one that's come close in the US to matching its Japanese sales, and even then it was about half a million more in Japan. VII sold more than half a million more in Japan, VIII sold 1.5 million more, IX sold 1.4 million more, X-2 sold over a million more. Even XII did much, much better in Japan. Japan is still clearly the lead market on these games.

Zoe said:
To be fair, all of those were being released for the same system.
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That's not being fair, that's just tossing off weird irrelevant points. It has nothing to do with their system and everything to do with fiscal year bottom lines.
 
Himuro said:
i'm buying crisis core because it's got zack and zack is sexy. also, i heard the music owns. hopefully it doesn't disappoint.

*looks at j-gaf*
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makes sense yo
 
Vyse The Legend said:
Technically, they sell the most in Europe, but yet, Europe always gets shafted with a late release.
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You sure? I was always under the impression MGS did the best in NA
 
Imo, the crux of the issue, not releasing FF XIII in the same year as DQ IX, is about the low user-base of the PS3, and the inflating costs that is the main-line FF series.

If Nintendo, of all companies, can release multiple casual, core titles, with tremendous overlap, SE cannot ease some of their business concerns by separate each release by 6+ months? Bullshit.
 
Himuro said:
i'm buying crisis core because it's got zack and zack is sexy. also, i heard the music owns. hopefully it doesn't disappoint.

*looks at j-gaf*
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Zack ^_^ Indeed he is, always wished VII involved him then fallout boy cloud.
 
Flakster99 said:
Imo, the crux of the issue, not releasing FF XIII in the same year as DQ IX, is about the low user-base of the PS3, and the inflating costs that is the main-line FF series.

If Nintendo, of all companies, can release multiple casual, core titles, with tremendous overlap, SE cannot ease some of their business concerns by separate each release by 6+ months? Bullshit.
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Nintendo has a lot more marquee franchises; they have a much greater ability to release multiple blockbuster-selling games in one year and then follow it up with more the very next year. Square Enix, on the other hand, has three prime franchises and they've pretty clearly geared their release schedule around those three series.

I certainly wished they had more than three series that sold on this level, but unfortunately they don't. Nintendo will release Smash and Mario together, but next year they'll have Brain Training 25 and Animal Crossing, and there's not going to be any perceivable hit in their bottom line.
 
eatyobeans said:
DQIX- Mid-late 08 release in Japan
Early 09 release in NA

FFXIII- Early 09 release in Japan
Late 09 release in NA

My guess ^^^
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Yeah that is what I think too, hopefully they can stream line their translation process so that they can bring it to the good ol US of A faster.
 
ethelred said:
They don't really, no. FFX is the only one that's come close in the US to matching its Japanese sales, and even then it was about half a million more in Japan. VII sold more than half a million more in Japan, VIII sold 1.5 million more, IX sold 1.4 million more, X-2 sold over a million more. Even XII did much, much better in Japan. Japan is still clearly the lead market on these games.
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Yeah well, at the very least there should be a simultaneous worldwide release. There's no fucking excuse for the NA and PAL territories to wait six months to a year for regional releases.
 
Good news. I wanted a 09 release to get maximum userbase for sales. A 08 release is great for playing the game earlier but bad for sales of the game. Sony can release GT5 for fall 08 instead.


And when the US gets it Europe better get it at the same time like with Crisis Core Square!!!!!
 
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