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> Go to restaurant
> Order 30 dollar italian meal
> Go to the toilet
> Some guy spits to the toilet
> ABORT MISSION ABORT MISSION
> Open the toilet door with your leg
> Waitress is clearing your plates
> Say "h-h-h-hope you had a nice meal" to the waitress
> Tip 40 bucks
> Never return
 
In Germany they leave you alone until you give them a hand signal, because you want to order new drinks/ food or want to pay. When you order something new they usually ask, if they can take empty plates away; unless you put your cutlery on the plate in a specific way as signal you're done eating.
They would let you sit there for hours and hours, if you don't give them a signal. On the plus side you are really undisturbed while dining, but on the other hand you won't get free refills.

Seems reasonable to me. Though judging by the free refills part, I assume you are talking about the American influenced restaurants. Personally I don't drink anything fizzy with a meal. Wine, whiskey or water. Everything else unsettles my stomach. Each to their own though.

I wish everywhere was like that in the UK.
 
Even in god awful places like The Harvester they bring the bill over and don't make a song or dance about it. That is fine by me.

I can't think of any way that you could present a bill dramatically. Did a waiter rub you the wrong way when he did a backflip before giving you the bill or something?

The Harvester is a god awful place? Jeez, you're a bit up your own arse aren't you.
 
No, I'm serious.

English dining standards are being degraded and I really am annoyed by it.

Stop harassing me and sod of waiters/waitresses! If I require assistance I shall signal for it!

If it is in another country and is a cultural thing, fine, but I am speaking specifically of the etiquette in English restaurants.

Troll confirmed.
 
It is rude to interrupt a meal. Manners cost nothing. It is against etiquette and people should stand by that etiquette.

I would be flat out embarrassed for the person who is still eating and has to suffer the indignity of being the last person eating.

Correct dining equiquette:

  1. Order a starter.
  2. Starter arrives - everyone eats it - waiters/waitresses remove cutterly etc.
  3. Waiters/Waitresses then take orders for the main meal and add extra cutlery/replace napkins or other essentials as required.
  4. Main course arrives - everyone eats it - waiters/waitresses remove cutterly etc.
  5. Waiters/Waitresses then take orders for desert, including coffees/teas/cream teas.
  6. Desert etc arrives, everyone eats it.
  7. Signal to the waitress/waiter that you have finished, they discretely bring over the bill, you leave the money inside the slip that comes with the bill. Leave.

All of that assumes that the restaurant doesn't already have the necessary cutlery correctly laid out before you when you arrive. That also assumes that the waiter/waitress doesn't take the entire order at the start of the process. Generally, waiters and waitresses are seen or heard minimally for the best type of service.

Everyone knows where they stands and has a good meal.

I'm annoyed when people have their elbows on the table, insert a knife into their mouth for any reason at all or ask for ketchup or another inappropriate condiment.

Play by the rules guys.

4/10
 
Me and the wife seem to always have the opposite problem. We tend to eat out just by ourselves, and we don't sit there and socialize with ourselves for a long time. We go to a restaurant because we just didn't feel like cooking for ourselves that time and we have other things to do. We want to get in and out fast but I don't know how many times we will have finished our food and are just sitting there quietly waiting for the check. A few times we just get up and tell the person at the front we never got our check but we are ready to leave.

Not sure a polite way to tell people ... hey we don't talk much please just bring us the check with the food so we can leave as soon as we are done.

Earlier I said I have not experienced someone taking my plate while it's just my girl and I. But this has happened to us on more than one occasion. I'll try to make eye contact with a nearby waiter/waitress if possible as a signal we need an out. I've never been sure of what the "proper" method is. Occasionally I'll wave someone over, but rarely. I usually find it a comical situation to be in.

How vulgar...

Hah!
 
umm... is it really difficult to say that you don't want them to take your plate away?

Is this really an issue... Why does it matter? You go to a restaurant to eat and catch up with your friends/family. If my finished plate is taken away from me, it's not like I'm going to suddenly feel left out because my friends are still eating.

Why would I want to have a empty plate in front of me, so my friends can feel like they're not being rush? They know I'm done with the food with or without the empty plate. The plate takes up room and actually makes the table feel cluttered.

Not only that, my friends are literally right in front of me, I can still chat to them while they are eating or worst comes to worst I can go browse the internet on my phone for 5-10 minutes.

What I'm trying to say this isn't issue, if you're feeling self conscious because you ate too fast or ate too slow and you feel like you're being judged, that's something you have to fix. It's not the waiter fault at all.
 
umm... is it really difficult to say that you don't want them to take your plate away?

Is this really an issue... Why does it matter? You go to a restaurant to eat and catch up with your friends/family. If my finished plate is taken away from me, it's not like I'm going to suddenly feel left out because my friends are still eating.

Why would I want to have a empty plate in front of me, so my friends can feel like they're not being rush? They know I'm done with the food with or without the empty plate. The plate takes up room and actually makes the table feel cluttered.

Not only that, my friends are literally right in front of me, I can still chat to them while they are eating or worst comes to worst I can go browse the internet on my phone for 5-10 minutes.

What I'm trying to say this isn't issue, if you're feeling self conscious because you ate too fast or ate too slow and you feel like you're being judged, that's something you have to fix. It's not the waiter fault at all.

This is NeoGAF. People are afraid to talk irl to express what they are thinking and too busy crying over video game announcements.
 
WHOA WHOA WHOA why would you assume I want a starter? Am I expected to pay for a portion of it even if I don't eat it? I'm already offended by your poor manners.



Again, what if I don't want a starter? I find it very rude of you to assume that I did. Not only that, I needed that knife you just ordered the waitress to take away. How did you know if I was done with it? Current mood: Mortified.



Add and replace napkins? Why are you eating like such a slob? One napkin per meal should be plenty. And why would I need extra cutlery? Is the meal so poorly cooked you need multiple knives with which to cut it?



Wait, did you order for me? Why are we all eating the same thing? This is unbelievable.



You're assuming I have time and the desire to eat dessert (or desert as you say...misspelling *scoff*)



I MIGHT understand misspelling a simple word once, but twice? I question you're pedigree. Did you get excited because I used the wrong your? That was a ruse to see how quickly you'd jump at the chance to make someone look like a fool. You've failed miserably.



Signal like you would a collie performing a new trick? And if that's not enough, you didn't even bother to tip for our Downton Abbey-like service, which is to be expected at all restaurants regardless of context and culture.

*shakes head*

Excellent troll. Way to be offended by my standards.

If no-one wants a starter, move on to the next course. Remove the cutlery for the starter though. Don't be silly, you have different cutlery for different courses! If I order crab or lobster then I will need inappropriate cutlery removed and the correct cutlery brought to the table if it is specialist cutlery.

Tip? It is included in the service charge for the table.

Of course I will need to signal to say I am finished with my meal. A simple raised finger is enough.

You guys are all acting like you are offended by someone who follows etiquette. In high quality restaurants a certain degree of etiquette is expected. That is all.

I am not talking about McDonalds, Burger King, Nandos, The Harvester, Table Table or other restaurants that could fit into those brackets.

I have never eaten in a Wimpy. I hear they give you proper plates in there.
 
umm... is it really difficult to say that you don't want them to take your plate away?

Is this really an issue... Why does it matter? You go to a restaurant to eat and catch up with your friends/family. If my finished plate is taken away from me, it's not like I'm going to suddenly feel left out because my friends are still eating.

Why would I want to have a empty plate in front of me, so my friends can feel like they're not being rush? They know I'm done with the food with or without the empty plate. The plate takes up room and actually makes the table feel cluttered.

Not only that, my friends are literally right in front of me, I can still chat to them while they are eating or worst comes to worst I can go browse the internet on my phone for 5-10 minutes.

What I'm trying to say this isn't issue, if you're feeling self conscious because you ate too fast or ate too slow and you feel like you're being judged, that's something you have to fix. It's not the waiter fault at all.

No, good sir/madam. It's not difficult at all.

For most other Gaffers, well...
 
The only thing that irks me is if the waiter asks if someone wants dessert while some people at the table are still eating their dinner. This is usually done while plates are being removed. That's just awful etiquette that screams "hurry up so we can sit more people."
 
I don't mind, if I am done eating, I rather the empty plate removed. Who ever I am with knows they aren't in a rush and I ensure they know that too. I just prefer my table not to be cluttered with dishes that are not being used anymore.
 
you have this vibe about you that those who dont run their business like yours are below you
Not at all. I am genuinely baffled by criticism of the OP. I'm not sure I've ever been to a decent restaurant that clears individual plates. I wonder if it's a US/UK thing.
 
Not at all. I am genuinely baffled by criticism of the OP. I'm not sure I've ever been to a decent restaurant that clears individual plates. I wonder if it's a US/UK thing.

It's pretty much never happened to me except for one time I think, recently. I'm in Canada.
 
One particular type of restaurant that I respect and admire are Indian restaurants. Yes, there are varying qualities of food among them, but the service is wonderful.

Waitcoats, whole order taken at once, unnecessary cutlery removed, all the food in a course arrives at once and is removed all at once, then the next course etc. Really good.

The selection of deserts varies unfortunately. I've eaten in some that only offer ice-cream or Irish coffees. Then again I've eaten at some that have hand made individual desserts that are incredible.

Chinese restaurants on the other hand are mad. It always feels frantic.
 
Servers in American restaurants don't observe a host of etiquette things I learned in Europe, and no Americans I know seem aware that the placement of your knife and fork indicates whether you are finished eating or not.

I don't give a shit, though. Etiquette is a nasty social weapon.
 
Servers in American restaurants don't observe a host of etiquette things I learned in Europe, and no Americans I know seem aware that the placement of your knife and fork indicates whether you are finished eating or not.

I don't give a shit, though. Etiquette is a nasty social weapon.

That's the second time I've seen that posted in this thread, I'm an American and I always thought that was common knowledge.
 
I'm a slow eater and waiters often ask if they can take my plate before I'm done. It gets annoying, especially if it happens more than once during the same meal. The worst is when you notice them observing you from a distance, waiting to pounce like goddamn vultures to take your food away.

edit: I just read my own post and I sound like a little bitch. I take it all back, there is nothing wrong with any of it unless waiters actually take your plate without asking.
 
Servers in American restaurants don't observe a host of etiquette things I learned in Europe, and no Americans I know seem aware that the placement of your knife and fork indicates whether you are finished eating or not.

I don't give a shit, though. Etiquette is a nasty social weapon.

There's no such thing as etiquette class in America.

I was taught the bolded, as well as pushing your plate away from you to signal that it was to be taken, but it seems that teaching those things are in the minority and are not commonly observed.
 
meh, if i finish before the others i have no problem if they take the plate away, those plates aren't gonna wash themselves and i don't have a useless empty plate before me.

and no Americans I know seem aware that the placement of your knife and fork indicates whether you are finished eating or not.

yeah i was writing this but i though that maybe was only an italian/european thing
 
That's the second time I've seen that posted in this thread, I'm an American and I always thought that was common knowledge.
I mean I haven't exactly consulted every American I've eaten with to check, but I've talked about it with my wife and her relatives (as a curious, cultural difference thing; I'm not trying to be snooty or shame them), and they had no idea. I've never seen an American do it.

Also, Americans almost universally put their knife down once they've cut their food and transfer the fork to their right hand to eat. Which is weird to me, but whatever.

In general, American service is far more impressive, so I'm not complaining. But it seems to be missing some of the codified social rules that make some of this easier. Like, there are basic rules about when to serve from the left or right to cause least interference with the diner, but only one American server I've had has ever observed them, and that was in a place with $40 entrees.

But yeah, etiquette sucks when it's used to highlight class distinctions, education or "breeding." Shit's gross.
 
Not at all. I am genuinely baffled by criticism of the OP. I'm not sure I've ever been to a decent restaurant that clears individual plates. I wonder if it's a US/UK thing.

I'm in the US, and it's almost a guarantee where I've eaten that a waiter/waitress will ask if we would like any of the empty plates to be removed, whether everyone is finished or not. It's actually preferred for me since I normally go out to eat with a group of friends, so the table can get cluttered easily with different appetizer plates, salad bowls, etc.
 
Also, Americans almost universally put their knife down once they've cut their food and transfer the fork to their right hand to eat. Which is weird to me, but whatever.

Okay, I do this. Why is this weird? What do you do? For whatever reason this is really interesting to me.

edit: sometimes I do, sometimes I keep the fork in the right hand, knife in the left and continuously cut the food as I eat.
 
Why would anyone be bothered by this?

Not sure. Why would anyone feel pressured to eat faster? Are they so worried what everyone else is thinking about them that it makes them feel ashamed or embarrassed by the fact that they are a slightly slower eater? I'm sorry but some of this etiquette bull shit is fucking ridiculous and usually just comes down to catering to other peoples strange insecurities.

If a person I was eating dinner with told me to leave my empty plate in front of me so they didn't have to feel rushed, and I told them that it was fine and they can eat at whatever speed they wanted, and they insisted that I leave said empty plate in front of me or tried to pull the etiquette card... Then that would probably be the last time I went to dinner with that weird, awakward person. Some etiquette I can understand, but most of it is just antiquated and nonsensical.
 
People will complain about anything. Honestly, who cares if they take your plate away before everyone is done? Does it somehow make someone feel slower to notice that there is no plates around them, than it does to see that everyone is finished with empty plates and they're still eating? It's the same shit.
 
I hate it, too. I'm a rather slow eater and when the waiters start clearing the table, it kinda makes me feel rushed.

Waiter: "WE'RE WAITING FOR YOUR FUCKING PLATE."
 
I don't care, but I really don't understand the second paragraph. What's the difference between an empty plate and a removed one? Why would others feel more pressured when either way the others are done eating?
 
I don't care, but I really don't understand the second paragraph. What's the difference between an empty plate and a removed one? Why would others feel more pressured when either way the others are done eating?

Exactly what I was coming in to say.

Really, dining etiquette begins and ends with those eating. You should time your bites of food to match exactly that of the other people you are eating with, so that no one finishes too soon or too late. All parties should finish at the same instant. Then there's no opportunities for hurt feelings or a need to write idiotic articles on the internet.
 
I was curious what is American knife and fork etiquette and found this:

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Only happen to me at banquet setting like a formal wedding dinners or a company holiday party. Catering seemingly has different rules that restaurants. I understand they are just trying to make room for the next course and the are on a time table, but if I am not done, the plate stays. So I only find it rude if they take it without asking (unless I have made an obvious dirty dish pile at the end of the table), or in the case a banquets are active pressuring you to hurry up.

And yes, please drop of the check ASAP if I have signaled I'm done ordering. I hate waiting 20 minutes after finished dining to leave. If I change my mind, you can add the extra drink or dessert.

I've worked in catering for banquets in a hotel. For the one I worked at at least, the initial set up is before anybody comes in, the room is split into two. Waiters generally take two or three tables. The palces are set such that you have cutlery for starter, soup, main course, desert, and tea/cofee (so a knife and fork for starter, a spoon, fork, and bread knife for soup, a fork and meat knife [a steak knife is initially there, if somebody is having fish then while ordering we swap knives], a spoon for desert, and a spoon for tea/coffee). You work your way in, from the outside, each course. After we take orders (choice between main courses, and a vegetarian option which isn't advertised), everybody has a chance to talk, order drinks, go to the bathroom, etc. After a short gap you're called into wherever the chefs are putting things onto the plate, and for your side of the room, there are three stacks of plates. Food is placed on the top plate of each stack, and then you carry them in, starting at the top table (where the bride and groom are, or people of msot importance) and we work ourway to the opposite side of the room (so you come in, collect three, place three down starting from the top of the room [for the main course you just look at what type of knife they have as that indicates their choice], come back, line up, and take three more again). After the first course of meals are brought in, you wait around at the side; you're not meant to go over to each table and ask the people at it if they need anything because not only might you be interrupting photos or conversations, but you don't want to be sent off on a bunch of tasks when you may have to clear the table or do another job, you wait to be called by anybody who wants you. In the mean time, if your water jugs on tables are empty, you fill them up.

The host of the event wanders around the room talking to guests and ensuring everybody's enjoying themselves, but he's also checking to see what progress everybody is making on their food, and keeping track of the time (while you're having a course, the next course is being made in the kitchen, as soon as it's fresh and done, it gets put on plates and served, the chefs don't take kindly to delays as it impacts the customer's appreciation of the food, so time management is extremely important). Once most people are finished, he signals to everybody to start collecting your table's plates. If somebody is not yet done, you leave them with the plate for the moment, but you need to collect everything related to that course (so at starters, you take up the cutlery, and the plate being used; after the soup, you take up butter from the table, cutlery that should have been used with the soup, remaining bread, bread knives, side plates; after the main course, you take up salt and pepper, plates, cutlery, the plates that the water jugs were on, the table number and associated stand, and the menus; after desert you take everything else off and clean it).

At this point, there's generally only a few minutes before the next course is on the way. The general rule is, unless somebody is visibly eating their meal, you assume they're finish and move on, you don't have time to ask twenty-four to thirty six people if everybody is finished their meal, especially when most people are engaged in conversation and don't acknowledge your existence (a lot of people are drunk). Anybody who is still eating at this point is an exceptionally slow eater, because most people have finished for a short length of time, hence everything being called. You clear everything else and if, by the time everything else is done, somebody still hasn't eating you tell the person hosting the event. They'll talk to them for awhile and ask if everything is okay and if they'd still like to continue their meal. If they do, you just carry on and ignore them. You bring out their next meal with everybody else's, and the process continues until after the main course (during the main course, you sometimes get deligated jobs, such as to bring extra vegetables around to each table and see who wants them; if you get lucky you fill water jugs) when most speeches are made. You have to put away all of what has been cleaned (that which you brought in ealier; they might be used in another banquet on in another room, or the hotel restaurant), and do any other jobs while the speeches go on. As soon as they're done, you bring out deserts, When tea/coffee is done, you empty everybody's wine into the water jugs (unless somebody explicitly protests, you don't ask, you only don't if you are interrupted), and clear everything. You then quickly clean the room (hoover, change linen on tables, move the tables, set things up or remove if necessary), the band sets up (why timing is so important in general too; the bad is hired for a certain length and you better be ready by the time they are booked) and people are brought back in to dance/order drinks if they want, and your job is done after you do the few remaining cleaning tasks (a skeleton crew stays on). Time management is too important for the entire thing to be delayed by one or two slow eaters. If you feel like you're being pressured, it's because you are; the managers really cannot afford to have the entire thing delayed. When you need to have two/three hundred people at their seats, orders taken, four/five courses given to everybody with a delay between each course (so people can chat/relax/go to the bathroom), and the room needs to be cleared, cleaned, and have the layout changed for a band and the guests, you cannot feasibly delay things for two or three people, and small delays have a knock-on effect.

I hope that provides greater clarification to how (some) banquets are catered. EDIT: Regarding a dirty plate pile, for us anyway, that wouldn't have made a difference. We put all knives in the same direction on a plate, and put all forks perpendicular to them above them to hold them down. You then hold that plate in your hand, and pile the rest of the plates on top of the same hand to carry them. You work in one direction around the table, regardless of what the guests have done, because you can't afford to keep on encircling the table or going around it at random when you've one or two more to go to.
 
I prefer they clear my dish so I don't accidentally dip my elbow in a sauce puddle. Plus it makes their jobs easier if they're not trying to grab everything at once. Sorry OP.
 
It wouldn't be such a problem if most people made a minimum amount of effort to learn basic etiquette. The seven points excelsiorlef listed is the standard everywhere. At least where I am (Canada). It's not complicated.

It's as if most people in here have never gone to a real restaurant before.

edit: I will say that I don't find asking for condiments to be weird or inappropriate though. That's going pretty far.
I live in Canada and have gone to real restaurants before. You are just a whiney child.
 
No, I'm serious.

English dining standards are being degraded and I really am annoyed by it.

Stop harassing me and sod of waiters/waitresses! If I require assistance I shall signal for it!

If it is in another country and is a cultural thing, fine, but I am speaking specifically of the etiquette in English restaurants.

Are you dining with the queen every other week? The rest of us are getting on with our lives and not bothering with this small stuff.
 
I don't agree with the OP. I much prefer a clean table in front of me than having a dirty plate in front of me. Although the meal may have looked appetizing at the beginning , a dirty plate looks disgusting afterwards.

And why would your guest feel more comfortable if you had a dirty plate in front of you? If they really felt rushed if your plate was cleared, wouldn't they just look up at you and see you haven't touched your plate for 5 minutes and feel the same?

I always felt half of these proper etiquette rules were made for and by people with sticks up their ass.
 
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