aspiegamer
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Do you think this is the reason Trump says he has no confidence in the intelligence community? Because he knows fake Russian bullshit was passed on and accepted as fact? That would be simultaneously hilarious and damning.
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WaPo: Dubious Russian document influenced the FBIs handling of the Clinton probe
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The Silver
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Thanks Obama, you told me Putin wasn't a 9th level quidditch master and now we have Chester Cheeto in the whitehouse
Pretty much. And now we live in the Dark World.
While it is arguable that she could have run a better campaign, I know that if I were her, I'd be beside myself with anger with all of this rubbish coming out.
The democracy of the USA got played like chumps. Hard.
EatinOlives
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I don't believe that he did it as a malicious action toward Hillary's campaign, but a bad choice is still a bad choice, and he still was one of the many factors that got us into this mess, however inadvertent it may have been.
Lord Frieza
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In a way, even though it is bad in multiple different avenues, him getting fired from the FBI is probably a better thing than not. Not only did it kick the whole thing into the overdrive it needed, I just frankly don't fucking trust Comey in this position anymore after reading all of this. I don't think this was really agenda based, I don't, but we have what amounts to two of the most bafflingly stupid moves a FBI can do in an election happening within like 6 months of each other.
That's probably a stretch. He just says that because of the investigation against him.
That's probably a stretch. He just says that because of the investigation against him.
TestOfTide
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The Jackdog
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comey is a textbook wrong things for the right reasons guy huh
It should never be forgotten in the midst of all this mess just how badly Comey screwed up his job during the election.
We all did. Sadly.
He's a good guy with absolutely terrible instincts on how to handle public relations and has a LOT of implicit biases that he hasn't learned how to course correct on.
StrategyFan
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august was a long time ago. how is this only coming out now?
Host Samurai
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Constitutionally lots of things shouldn't be happening but are
whyamihere
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which one is Calzoneghazi
Lights and Waves
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QuantumBro
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This might've influenced the actions Comey took, but he already testified that straw that broke the camel's back was when Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch on the runway.
If you're going to blame Comey for Clinton losing, gotta blame Bill too.
If you're going to blame Comey for Clinton losing, gotta blame Bill too.
UnObtainium17
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Wow fuck.. honestly it hurts reading that.
TestOfTide
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To everyone about to use this thread to criticize Comey, realize that if Comey has NOT sent that letter, the reopening of the emails case would have still been leaked to the press by the shitty NY criminal field office and the result would have been likely entirely the same with the only difference being that Comey wouldn't have had from January through April to continue investigating Trump and Russia.
AMEN
In a just world, Comey DID deserve to lose his job. How he handled the Clinton investigation was boneheaded, undeniably partisan, and broke with standard DoJ protocol in just about every way. Had he conducted the investigation by the book, he might have gotten far enough to realize the department had been fed bad Intel. But nope, good ol"Maverick" Comey. The man's a dummy.
...he just didn't deserve to lose his job under the circumstances that he did.
This works both ways. Had Comey not sent that letter, Clinton likely would have won, and the FBI would have been able to continue their investigation without being hounded by a madman president.
"Mrs. Clinton...we have a memo here from Kremlin saying you are corrupt and bad for country. How do you respond??"
RPGCrazied
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Man, I'd pay good money to watch Trump get grilled like the way Hillary was for 13 hours that day.
Freeza Under The Shower
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precisely.
He easily could have worded the letter in a much better way. He messed up.
Byakuya769
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Nah, just kind of dumb with Clinton-conspiracy mania like the rest of america. Made them weak to bad intel.
psynergylover
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ugh....I fell uttely ashamed to be a Amercan...looking like complete fools on the world stage....
He wouldn't last 3.
Honestly, that farce was the day that convinced me she would be a good president. Kept her cool for 13 fucking hours with the most banal questions being thrown at her over and over and over again.
I get that part, mostly, but just the entire Russia/e-mail/leaking/Trump fiasco in general. There's just so much going on right now it's hard to keep up.
tedrotheredro
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But a leak is unverified and unofficial. How could it possibly have had the same effect?
Lord Frieza
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No, we don't. Comey was the one who made the decision. Comey was the one who decided to basically give the right a bombshell to threw in a heavily polarized enviornment where one candidate was the target of an unprecedented smear job. Comey did this shit again, too, six months later. Comey. Fucked. It. Up.
Funky Papa
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I see Russian intelligence continues to run circles around America's.
Jesus Christ, I'm shocked Putin hasn't died from a riotous fit of laughter. He was probably at the brink of a stroke on election night.
Jesus Christ, I'm shocked Putin hasn't died from a riotous fit of laughter. He was probably at the brink of a stroke on election night.
Wet Bloodfart
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Shit makes me furious. She would have been a fantastic president.
TestOfTide
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The problem is that had Comey done it by the book, then what would have happened instead would be:
- NY Criminal Field Office leaks the reopening of the emails case to the press
- Congress and the Senate get to play outraged demanding Comey explain why he "covered up" the reopening of a case from congress
- News headlines still appear about the emails case being reopened, which means Hillary still barely loses
- Trump's Team immediately knows that they can't count on comey, so instead of firing him in April, they fire him January 21st and replace him with a Trump crony who won't allow the investigation to actually happen.
I do believe she would have been, yes. Despite all the skeletons in her closet.
Oh well. What could have been.
Spoiled Milk
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Putin is one of the most intelligent leaders of the 21st century. Like the Kims or Lukashenko, Putin will go down in history as a shrewd survivor that outplayed most of his opponents.
Lord Frieza
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That's all just speculation to try and circumvent Comey's fuck up. We really don't know what would have happened. Comey fucked up.
That was not the reason he was fired. A reason to be fired sure, but not even remotely close to the reason why.
GoldenEye 007
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This is all fair. I think a major issue in all of this is still the Bill Clinton meeting. Without, that, this simply would have fallen on the AG Lynch to make her own decision. People still would not have liked it, but it would have kept the FBI out of the decision making process and likely would have prevented the press conference.
The secondary letter still would have been problematic, but they could have sat on it for a day or two and ensured that the emails were duplicates before releasing it.
You might be right - but I'm thinking if he was a little less partisan in his letter, things may have turned out differently. Sure wish we could run a simulation to find out what would have happened.
You're giving way too much credit to a leak. No way would a leak have been given as much credit as a letter from the director himself. I mean, there was a leak a day in 2016. Not all of them became front page news. A letter from Comey GUARANTEED a week's worth of headlines, which is exactly what happened.
KernelPanic
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Holy shit he got played by fake news.
That also explains why he was so tenacious investigating Russia. Once he realized he got played it became very personal(besides the seriousness).
That also explains why he was so tenacious investigating Russia. Once he realized he got played it became very personal(besides the seriousness).
I had always admired Clinton, but that day I think I really became a "true believer". She was fucking incredible withstanding that marathon of bullshit.
TestOfTide
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Except leaks are exactly what has been taking down Trump inch by inch.
There is a lot of reason to believe that the part of the FBI that is "Trumpland" is the NY Criminal Field Office. They WOULD have leaked shit to the press if Comey didn't send the letter, and then if Hillary STILL lost, Comey would have been fired in January 21st.
shawnbuddy
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Can we just, like, do the election again? I'm not sure the results could be considered valid at this point.
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