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Speaking of which, it was kinda silly that there were no Tech-priests or Skitarii in that game. A guardsman even lampshades it, so it must've been a production issue.
They do explain it (at least for the Skitarii). One of the servo skull audio logs explain through a conversation between two Guardsmen that the Skitarii forces had been wiped out by the Orks pretty early on in the invasion.
 
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They do explain it (at least for the Skitarii). One of the servo skull audio logs explain through a conversation between two Guardsmen that the Skitarii forces had been wiped out by the Orks pretty early on in the invasion.
Ehh, not buying it. Graia would've had billions of Skitarii and there really should've been at least some Enginseers running around. Instead the troopers had to fix their vehicles themselves.
 
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Well, this certainly came out of nowhere: Dan Abnett is writing a new Eisenhorn book: "The Magos".

The Magos is a brand new Eisenhorn novel… and one I didn’t expect to write. This epic volume gathers together all the Eisenhorn short stories that have appeared over the years, several of which haven’t been in print before. But it’s not just an anthology for completists. There’s an entire, new, full-length novel here too, one which ties together many elements from those short stories to become the unexpected fourth book in what was previously the Eisenhorn trilogy. Hunting for heresy in the remote worlds of the Imperium, Gregor Eisenhorn must confront the truth about himself: who is the real heretic? And, in this life-or-death struggle, who is the hunter and who is the hunted? Essential reading for all fans of the Eisenhorn and Ravenor series.
It's not the Pariah sequel I was hoping for, but I can't wait for this. Eisenhorn got me into the warhammer universe and it's still one of my favorite series. Good to see Abnett writing for Black Library again.
 
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Before Games Workshop released the Imperial Primer paint, they used to recommend priming/undercoating with Chaos black. The Imperial Primer i got a few years back but never really used is pretty ruined (far too watery and bubbly), so is using Abaddon black an acceptable substitute? They're non-GW models i'm going to use it on.
 
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Before Games Workshop released the Imperial Primer paint, they used to recommend priming/undercoating with Chaos black. The Imperial Primer i got a few years back but never really used is pretty ruined (far too watery and bubbly), so is using Abaddon black an acceptable substitute? They're non-GW models i'm going to use it on.
If they are a decent resin or plastic then your good most likely if you give them a wash. Metal I would say try to get some primer on there. Also look in to a big bottle of Vallejo primer you put on with a brush. It isn't cheap, but great to have around.
 
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Before Games Workshop released the Imperial Primer paint, they used to recommend priming/undercoating with Chaos black. The Imperial Primer i got a few years back but never really used is pretty ruined (far too watery and bubbly), so is using Abaddon black an acceptable substitute? They're non-GW models i'm going to use it on.
It works, but I'd recommend using a proper primer. The spray cans are great.
 
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I kitbashed a couple of Vanguard Veterans to join my Blood Angels force over the past couple of evenings.
Going to do another 3 and add them to my force. It's so nice as that to do list shrinks. I can quite easily field an entirely painted 2000 point army now. Feels good.

 
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It's (almost) time boys

The Siege of Terra Dawns

11 years. 45 books (and counting!). 1 galaxy spanning series. The Horus Heresy has come to redefine how we look at the world of Warhammer 40,000, bringing the Primarchs, their Legions, and even the Emperor Himself to life in more detail than ever before. From the initial fall of Horus to the tragedy of the Dropsite Massacre, to the truth behind Imperium Secundus, everything has been building up to one climactic battle – the Siege of Terra. A group of Black Library's most renowned authors have gathered in Nottingham today for one final planning meeting – how do you go about doing justice to the most famous event in Warhammer 40,000 history? We sent Warhammer Community writer Rhuairidh to sit in and see what's next for the Horus Heresy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/20/the-siege-of-terra-dawns/
 
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It's (almost) time boys

The Siege of Terra Dawns

11 years. 45 books (and counting!). 1 galaxy spanning series. The Horus Heresy has come to redefine how we look at the world of Warhammer 40,000, bringing the Primarchs, their Legions, and even the Emperor Himself to life in more detail than ever before. From the initial fall of Horus to the tragedy of the Dropsite Massacre, to the truth behind Imperium Secundus, everything has been building up to one climactic battle – the Siege of Terra. A group of Black Library’s most renowned authors have gathered in Nottingham today for one final planning meeting – how do you go about doing justice to the most famous event in Warhammer 40,000 history? We sent Warhammer Community writer Rhuairidh to sit in and see what’s next for the Horus Heresy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/20/the-siege-of-terra-dawns/
Holy shit I never thought this day would come.
 

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Before Games Workshop released the Imperial Primer paint, they used to recommend priming/undercoating with Chaos black. The Imperial Primer i got a few years back but never really used is pretty ruined (far too watery and bubbly), so is using Abaddon black an acceptable substitute? They're non-GW models i'm going to use it on.
I usually use an airbrushed primer from Badger which is fantastic, but sometimes get lazy and use a Citadel Spray.
A friend of mine uses a spray primer he gets at Walmart for $3 a can and it works great as long as you get one that can do plastic.
Like someone said, metal is a little more picky about primer.
 
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There isn't an Age of Sigmar OT but the Miniature Gaming OT would be a good place to start a discussion for AOS:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389064
I think this would be a fine place to discuss AoS (and by extension, all GW games). There's a lot of overlap.
Thanks both of you. If anyone thinks it's innapropriate I'll move it over there.

I was just wondering what's up with the grand alliance death? Is it bound to be getting new factions/models/battletomes any time soon? Thought I'd dip my toe in to AoS and I'd prefer a faction with a battletome and I have no idea what differs the flesh-eater courts from the other vampires and everything else in that alliance. It's not very accessible.

Also just to keep things a little 40K, are they ever doing battleforces again? Id love to grab an admech cohort to add to the collection.
 

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Re: Death-
GW will be releasing a new skirmish game, Warhammer Underworld: Shadespire soon, which like every other AoS thing features Sigmar vs. Khorne. But! They already announced the first expansion, and it's all about skeletons, with new models. In my opinion, it's very likely they will also be released for the main game.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/13/warhammer-underworlds-shadespire-new-faction-revealedgw-homepage-post-2/

As for battleforces, nothing announced, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some new prIce-saving bundles for the holidays.
 
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Info from GW's annual general meeting:
Performance: sales are up across the board - in every sector, every range, and every month

all the charts are pointing in the right direction, surplus cash will be returned to shareholders as dividends

Strategy: they've recruited so that they now have separate design teams for 40k, AoS and specialist games

this is to allow them to release something for each of those lines on a regular basis, monthly at least if not faster they want there to constantly be something new for players to buy rather than them waiting for months on end keeping a constant monthly cashflow and sales improvement is important to them, it's not about a few big releases a year

efforts are being made to reduce the price point and make joining the game easier, thus the range of price points for 8th (from £5 magazine with single figure up to £95 boxed set)

target areas for new stores are North America and Asia

trade (FLGSs) is more profitable than retail (GW stores), but the latter is more important for recruitment. They intend to do more to support both

they want to bring more women into the hobby, but don't want to alienate the existing playerbase while doing so, it is something they're aware of (but no details as yet)

prices aren't dropping any time soon, production is pushing up against maximum capacity, they're going to be investing a fair bit in new injection moulding machinery

Marketing: they hired a marketing team about 18 months ago, they have no intention of mass-marketing

the digital strategy is an attempt to get control of the narrative, they identified the fact that all the web traffic was going to blogs and forums where new (and old) players would meet a lot of negativity and grumbling

it's working, their web traffic is high and growing (2 million unique users on warhammer community, for example), the traffic on 3rd party sites is falling

they are measuring clickthroughs and doing more market research about customers, no granular info yet, but a big change in direction from the Kirby years

they intend to carry on being much more proactive in supporting tournament organisers and the like

40k: none of them are allowed to say, but from what I wheedled out it sounds like 8th is doing very well indeed, they consider it a success

the gathering storm stuff and SW:A was a strategy to prevent the normal big sales drop-off they get before a new edition (like they did with WHFB's end times)

AoS: they won't provide figures for individual ranges, but sales are up, overlords did well

Specialist games: the reason they abandoned these in the past was because they had a small design team which was hard to expand, so they put the focus into the most profitable lines (40k and fantasy), that's not an issue any more

the success of BB caught them by surprise, which is why there was a fairly big gap between gobbos and elves. The latter are the first team designed entirely since release, they intend to continue releasing about one team per quarter

necromunda will have better support from the get go, they want to get more of the gangs out at release or shortly thereafter and have future plastics more planned out aiming to make them very customisable, extra weapons and upgrades will probably be available in resin cawdor got a mention, might mean that they're coming at release or might just mean that that's one they're working on now

HH has been derailed a bit by Bligh's death and producing a new rulebook. Now that's in the printers they're getting back on with it, there are plenty of models in the pipeline there are no more HH plastics planned at the moment. Never say never, but production time is at least a year, so don't expect anything anytime soon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer4...ording_to_person_who/?st=j7vyoozo&sh=d9f730a3

GW has the fastest growing FTSE stock in the UK in 2017 so far: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ops-u-k-stock-gains-for-2017-as-profit-surges

Love that they have dedicated teams for each game now, always hated the release droughts in the past.

BTW, rumours coinciding with this meeting point to new Astra Militarum stuff soon and new Sisters of Battle on the way.
 
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Re: Death-
GW will be releasing a new skirmish game, Warhammer Underworld: Shadespire soon, which like every other AoS thing features Sigmar vs. Khorne. But! They already announced the first expansion, and it's all about skeletons, with new models. In my opinion, it's very likely they will also be released for the main game.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/13/warhammer-underworlds-shadespire-new-faction-revealedgw-homepage-post-2/

As for battleforces, nothing announced, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some new prIce-saving bundles for the holidays.
Thanks! The disparity between order/chaos and death/destruction is really annoying. Hopefully more death models are coming our way.
 
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The disparity between order/chaos and death/destruction is really annoying.
Indeed! Death especially. I'm a Destruction fan personally (this is my website: https://www.the-stronghold.com/), and I enjoyed the releases in the first half of 2016, but since then there's been basically nothing for a year.

Hopefully the internal restructuring to give AoS its own dedicated design team will help prevent this from happening again, you can really see the negative effect a lack of new releases for a grand alliance has on its popularity online, at events etc, and the General's Handbook 2017 wasn't too kind to Destruction either (my poor Stonehorn took multiple nerf beatings - I do wonder about their playtesting sometimes!).

I'd love to see Ironjawz get a lot more fleshed out for instance, love their models but the selection is still so limited and they were big sellers for GW when they launched. Moonclan Grots would surely be an obvious popular choice for release too.
 
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Indeed! Death especially. I'm a Destruction fan personally (this is my website: https://www.the-stronghold.com/), and I enjoyed the releases in the first half of 2016, but since then there's been basically nothing for a year.

Hopefully the internal restructuring to give AoS its own dedicated design team will help prevent this from happening again, you can really see the negative effect a lack of new releases for a grand alliance has on its popularity online, at events etc, and the General's Handbook 2017 wasn't too kind to Destruction either (my poor Stonehorn took multiple nerf beatings - I do wonder about their playtesting sometimes!).

I'd love to see Ironjawz get a lot more fleshed out for instance, love their models but the selection is still so limited and they were big sellers for GW when they launched. Moonclan Grots would surely be an obvious popular choice for release too.
It's a problem in 40K too but at least in 40K there are a bunch of different armies whereas in AoS there are only 4 grand allainces so the discrepancy is very noticeable.

The Ironjawz models are really nice. AoS overall has a really nice aesthetic to it
except for the ugly stormcast eternals
but I can't bring myself to care about order and I get enough chaos in my 40K. Why are dark elves in the order alliance?

I think I'll hold off on AoS models for now. Might start that Tau army I've been thinking about.
 
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Codex: Astra Militarum is the next codex in line for Warhammer 40,000, and it's just as packed with new content as its predecessors.



We've seen rules for Space Marine Chapters, Traitor Legions, forge worlds, and now there are rules for 8 regiments of the Astra Militarum. Which regiments, you ask? Cadia and Catachan will, of course, be included, as well as new rules for Armageddon, Tallarn, Valhalla, Vostroya, Mordian and the Militarum Tempestus. Each one of these factions will be getting its own regimental doctrine, order, stratagem, relic, and warlord trait – the codex is absolutely brimming with content, aimed at letting you customise your army to suit your style of play.

Similarly, the codex is set to diversify Astra Militarum lists with tweaks to rules and points aimed at putting each unit on an even footing. Conscripts, for example, have been changed to better reflect their inferior discipline compared to professional soldiers. It's not just about rules, either – the new codex contains loads of new background and art, including a look at some of the more unusual regiments of the 41st Millennium and advice on how you might want to convert them.






Of course, if you're starting a new Astra Militarum army, you'll need somewhere to play them, and Moon Base Klaisus is perfect. Building your own boards is a fun and rewarding experience, but it's not always practical for gamers who are limited by space or just want to set their games up quickly – the new Moon Base Klaisus set gives you everything you'll need to get gaming in minutes on a great looking 6'x4′ board. Made up of modular card tiles – designed to be interchangeable to vary your battlefields – and featuring push-fit ruins, Moon Base Klaisus is great for gamers looking for an easy way to make sure they've got a cool-looking place to play, wherever they are. The ruins themselves are designed to fit in with both the Sector Mechanicus and Sector Imperialis terrain, meaning if you do decide to build a more bespoke gaming board you'll be off to a head start.



Don't worry, enemies of the Imperium, we haven't forgotten about you – next week will also see four new models for the Death Guard! As well as Scribbus Wretch the Tallyman and Nauseus Rotbone the Plague Surgeon, you'll be able to get your hands on the devastating Plaguecburst Crawler tank and the multi-part Foetid Bloat-drone kit.





As well as the plaguesprayers equipped by the Bloat-drone in Dark Imperium, the full kit contains some new weapons options – our favourite is the grisly flesh mower, which looks... well, exactly as you'd expect:

https://www.warhammer-community.com...gines-a-battlefield-in-a-box-and-a-new-codex/

Rumour guy perhaps mistook those Astra Militarum conversions for new models.
 
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If those 3 new IG factions are fully fleshed out with models for every troop type I'll be super impressed.

Edit: too good to be true. I see they are just kit bashes.

Edit 2: post above edited to confirm my suspicions
 
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Oh man, I was so fucking excited when I saw those Savlar Chemdogs. I really thought those were new models. I've been wanting a full force since around 4th edition when I first saw them mentioned in an old codex. I had to green stuff some old metal heads from Obliterators I think and cut up Chaos Marine backpacks, I should still have one of them around somewhere. Too busy to do Astra Militarum all the way but maybe for Shadow War.
 
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Oh man, I was so fucking excited when I saw those Savlar Chemdogs. I really thought those were new models.
I've been assembling and painting genestealer cult models, so I recognized the bits. If it were not for that, I would have thought the same thing!

It does look as though a simple head swap would be easy to use the cult models for chem dogs.
 
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I picked up the Death Shroud and they're nice models, even if they're mono pose. I'll definitely pick up the new Terminators too.

The real winner is this one nurgling that comes in the new Plague Marines box. It's striking a pose while wearing a plague marine helmet. Got a chuckle out of me when I came across it in the codex.
 
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I've just read some of the Lexicanum about Farsight. Have i missed something, or is the whole reason for Farsight rebelling just that
he looked into the warp, then picked up what is probably a Daemon Blade, and then got angry at those things because he thinks the Ethereals knew what Daemons are and decides they might be controlling the Tau in some mysterious way without any proof?

That seems....pretty dumb if that's the case. I was under the impression that Daemons and Chaos were something the Tau had encountered before, but just didn't fully understand exactly what they were. They even have allies that are powerful psykers.

It doesn't even seen clear if his assumptions are actually true or not. The leixcanum says "not even he truly knew why" he was thinking these things, so is there any truth to them or has he just been corrupted?
 
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Ethereals having more than just surface level influence over Tau is something that's been hinted at for a very long time. I think that extends to Water Caste as well. I definitely remember it as far back as 4th edition. They have no warp presence but it could be they exert their influence by some other means, pheromones for instance.

Tau certainly know what Chaos is but probably can't understand its nature. I think Farsight is rebelling more against the control by Ethereals over his people.
 
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Ethereals having more than just surface level influence over Tau is something that's been hinted at for a very long time. I think that extends to Water Caste as well. I definitely remember it as far back as 4th edition. They have no warp presence but it could be they exert their influence by some other means, pheromones for instance.
It's been hinted at, but as far as i know those hints were random speculation from the Imperium, and even then they basically said "It could be X or Y, we really have no idea though" suggesting that they didn't actually have any evidence for it and it was all just guessing because they couldn't really understand Tau society and come up with any other reasons for it. That's how the original 2 codex's worded the hints about it, at least.

I don't remember seeing any actual concrete evidence for there being any actual mind control or manipulation from the Ethereals or anything like that (although the Firewarrior novel does mention they can calm nearby Tau with Pheromones, but that isn't really the same i don't think).
 
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I don't know if it's ever going to go past that. It's not definitive, but it adds depth to Tau. You can point to that and show people that they really aren't the force for 'good' some people mistake then for. Well that and their immediate action in crushing anyone who doesn't side with them right away. And possibly enslaving the Vespid.
 
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I don't know if it's ever going to go past that. It's not definitive, but it adds depth to Tau. You can point to that and show people that they really aren't the force for 'good' some people mistake then for. Well that and their immediate action in crushing anyone who doesn't side with them right away. And possibly enslaving the Vespid.
Sure, the hints at their secretly being something else going on does add some mystery and depth to them, even if there isn't any real proof for it being outright true. Things like the Vespid support both sides though, it could be some form of control, or it could simply be because they could properly understand each other after that. There are suggestions that things are really not what they seem but you can't outright say it's true unless i've just completely missed something over the past few years.

The whole "crush anyone who refuses" though...i was under the impression that isn't true and that's more of a last resort. I can't remember where but i remember reading somewhere how they'd wait decades if they had to, and keep trying diplomacy for as long as they can. If the other race are really adamant they want nothing to do with the Tau but the Tau want them/whatever they have desperately enough, then they'd go that far. I don't think it's exactly a "Oh you said no once, we better destroy you then" situation.
 
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Ethereals having more than just surface level influence over Tau is something that's been hinted at for a very long time. I think that extends to Water Caste as well. I definitely remember it as far back as 4th edition. They have no warp presence but it could be they exert their influence by some other means, pheromones for instance.

Tau certainly know what Chaos is but probably can't understand its nature. I think Farsight is rebelling more against the control by Ethereals over his people.
Maybe I missed some lore or changes along the way, but I thought most of the Tau background / origins stuff implied that the Ethereal caste were a creation of the Eldar, and that the Tau are an attempt to create a chaos and warp immune force in the galaxy?
 
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Sure, the hints at their secretly being something else going on does add some mystery and depth to them, even if there isn't any real proof for it being outright true. Things like the Vespid support both sides though, it could be some form of control, or it could simply be because they could properly understand each other after that. There are suggestions that things are really not what they seem but you can't outright say it's true unless i've just completely missed something over the past few years.
I think when Vespid were first introduced there was something that indicated that the helm the leaders wear was meant for communication (or control) which in turn would extend to the other Vespid in the strain.

Some background in Warhammer is inferred. There is a lot of hard canon but there are a few bits that are left to the imagination.

The whole "crush anyone who refuses" though...i was under the impression that isn't true and that's more of a last resort. I can't remember where but i remember reading somewhere how they'd wait decades if they had to, and keep trying diplomacy for as long as they can. If the other race are really adamant they want nothing to do with the Tau but the Tau want them/whatever they have desperately enough, then they'd go that far. I don't think it's exactly a "Oh you said no once, we better destroy you then" situation.
That might have changed. I remember the old codices gave a vibe of 'join us or die' to tie in with their rapid expansion but that could have softened over the years. If it did that's a shame because I like the sinister side that lends itself to.

Maybe I missed some lore or changes along the way, but I thought most of the Tau background / origins stuff implied that the Ethereal caste were a creation of the Eldar, and that the Tau are an attempt to create a chaos and warp immune force in the galaxy?
I've only read that from online discussions but I don't think I've stumbled across it in any of the codices. I'll have to take another look through the books. I think it could have come from that one old book that was meant to be an Imperial scientists observations on Xenos that he gleaned from his own research and autopsies. Never did pick up a copy.
 
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lmao this tsundere Sister in the new book is really jealous of the Golden Boys
I studied them for a long time, trying not to be too envious, and often failing. I came to hate their quiet, steady resolve. They never complained, they never got angry. Everything with them was polished and reverent, like diplomats somehow siphoned into the suits of warriors. I might have thought they were automata had I not seen the way they moved a blade. Throne, they were even well spoken, and they treated me with such relentless politeness and consideration that I wanted to scream.
That was the core problem – I needed an excuse to loathe them, and they wouldn't give me one.
I could have punched his big, elegant face. Now we were needed. Now we were wanted.
That might have changed. I remember the old codices gave a vibe of 'join us or die' to tie in with their rapid expansion but that could have softened over the years. If it did that's a shame because I like the sinister side that lends itself to.
It ultimately boils down to "join us or die", but they are known to spend years, even decades turning Imperial border worlds to Tau worlds through trade and diplomacy, if it's for the Greater Good.