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WASD! Huh! What is it good for?
- Thread starter Barkley's Justice
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So you are saying that WASD is bad because it is worse than a stick, but that mouses are bad because they are too easy....
*facepalm
More like leave it to a clueless console gamer to come into a thread, dis good games, complain about one control method but defend another for the same reason!, claim that console FPS take more skill and then wonder why people don't like his posts!
I don't know if this is complete idiocy or masterful trolling. Well done.
MoonLightWave
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So true, haha. My fingers standard position are always on shift+wad+space.
nhlducks35
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SturokBGD
Member
I've been dinged at work for this because my hands naturally sit like that so people think I'm playing games.
See, the problem with all of the alternate configs that I've seen (and tried) is that if you need both shift and alt, they won't cut it. I don't know many games that this would be an issue for, but my shaman in WoW has over 100 keybindings between the mouse and keyboard (9 button lachesis mouse), and without both of these modifiers (and alt with my mouse buttons), I simply can't bind everything comfortably.
It may be a corner case (sort of, tons of people play WoW, but I don't know many with as many binds as an engy shaman with tons of consumables on-hand), but it proves that WASD certainly still has it's place.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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I'm absolutely no expert FPS player, I play casually, but I find myself bored too quickly to get any good.
I find that with modern FPS, I do roughly equally well with M+K and Controller (in terms of k/d ratio), but Controller feels generally more awkward (it might be that's because I'm primarily a PC player).
I don't think a controller is terrible to use, but I definitely don't see it having any advantage, and would never consider using one on PC, even for games that seems designed for it (I'm looking at you Assassin's Creed).
One thing that irks me that has been brought over from consoles to PC on the back of generally different control scheme is locking onto enemies, specifically (again, because I'm playing it at the moment) Assassin's Creed is terrible with that where it autolocks you when engaging in battle, and if you want any kind of free movement, for instance to flank an enemy, or pull back you have to manually unlock.
Oh, and I use WASD, mostly out of laziness. Wouldn't mind trying out ESDF, but manually changing control schemes in every game I play is offputting.
I find that with modern FPS, I do roughly equally well with M+K and Controller (in terms of k/d ratio), but Controller feels generally more awkward (it might be that's because I'm primarily a PC player).
I don't think a controller is terrible to use, but I definitely don't see it having any advantage, and would never consider using one on PC, even for games that seems designed for it (I'm looking at you Assassin's Creed).
One thing that irks me that has been brought over from consoles to PC on the back of generally different control scheme is locking onto enemies, specifically (again, because I'm playing it at the moment) Assassin's Creed is terrible with that where it autolocks you when engaging in battle, and if you want any kind of free movement, for instance to flank an enemy, or pull back you have to manually unlock.
Oh, and I use WASD, mostly out of laziness. Wouldn't mind trying out ESDF, but manually changing control schemes in every game I play is offputting.
I find WASD terrible. But what's worse is trying to use the F or G keys for things like melee and grenades. And then trying to put crouch on the X, C, or Shift key? Forget it, I'm plugging in a controller and never looking back.
Oh, and the Num keys for selecting items? I just find myself pressing every single one until I finally find the one I'm looking for.
Oh, and the Num keys for selecting items? I just find myself pressing every single one until I finally find the one I'm looking for.
out0v0rder
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you are mad about that but what about stuff like aiming, jumping and shooting at the same time on a controller?
all control methods are shitty until we get neural input.
I'm hardly any better aiming with a mouse than a controller. And I don't have a problem jumping on a controller. Besides, I'd rather not get carpal tunnel and be forced to sit up straight in my desk to play games.
Late, but whatever...
Counterpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58
Arena shooters needed movement, strategy, map control and amazing aiming skill.
Love these videos. They really show how controllers are just inadequate.
And Quakeworld had even more of a focus on movement than Q3 (outside of perhaps CPMA):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_J0X0IolWM
Note the strafing, btw. You can't get that sort of quickness and 100% digital precision on strafing with twiddle sticks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_J0X0IolWM
Note the strafing, btw. You can't get that sort of quickness and 100% digital precision on strafing with twiddle sticks.
Ville Pukema
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i love my merc stealth
Another merc lover here. <3
I think it all depends on what you grew up with. If you grew up playing console shooters post-Halo then you're more comfortable with that: likewise if you played 40 hours of Doom before you turned 10 then that's you're preference. Everyone can yell about it until they're blue in the face but neither side will budge.
ScrabbleBanshee
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Unless controlling your guy using your left hand feels right to you I don't see what the alternative is...
snoopeasystreet
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Yep. I still prefer mouse for looking by a long shot but WASD now feels off to me. The only advantage it really has over an analogue stick is that it's way more precise for double tap to dodge but when do we even do that any more?
I use double tap in Hawken.
Metalmurphy
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Imo it's worst because left ctrl is farther away.
WASD + mouse offers more precise aiming and movement, and the "old" games were designed around that. Today almost every "AAA" game is designed around the strengths (and weaknesses) of controllers, so it's a matter of taste. I personally can't aim at all using sticks so it still is keyboard and mouse for me.
Then again, when possible (for FPS) I still use mouse2=forward, lshift=backward and... inverted mouse, so I shouldn't talk too much
Then again, when possible (for FPS) I still use mouse2=forward, lshift=backward and... inverted mouse, so I shouldn't talk too much
Left ctrl is futher away, so let's say you lose that button (it's too far away now), but you gain 3 buttons: Tab, Caps Lock, and Shift.
Essentially, you have more keys accessible to your fingers with ESDF than you do with WASD.
uh no my original point was that WASD is only useful for old style games like quake and CS and that analog pad was better for 3rd person games and newer fps games.
ok.
I was writing boot disks with custom batch files before you were even gaming. I played all the classic games back then, and now I still prefer hooking the PC up to the tv and using a ps3 controller. I'm old now and I hate using KB+M, I already spend all day using that at work. also many people in here have said that they have difficulty aiming on the controller, so it is in fact a skill.
Frankenstrat
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No, man, no.
This isnt true though because WASD is still better with a mouse with newer fps as well. Sure you got third person games but thats just because they are so designed that way. FPS still works fine.. explain to me what modern console FPS is better with controller? Because you can clearly still aim better and move just as good.
Hell look at BF:BC2 which was developed as a console FPS.. yet is soooo much better as a PC game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqvV4sxsCjU
Same as people said earlier about Mirrors Edge.. the PC controls actually make it a better game.
Now I dont want to pick on you anymore and we clearly all have different taste but that last line is still utter bullshit.
Using bad controls does not make you skilled.
Thats like saying if I am good at a Kinect game which has the worst controls then I am the leetest man alive.
industrian
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I remember when I started PC gaming I would use the arrow keys instead of WASD. I'd use the right ctrl and shift keys for crouch and jump.
Then I was bullied into using WASD and never went back. Now I just look back and say "what the fuck was I thinking?"
Then I was bullied into using WASD and never went back. Now I just look back and say "what the fuck was I thinking?"
Hazelhurst
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Yes, but a mouse is far superior for aiming than an analog stick.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Either you guys have small hands or I've got huge ones. I could feasibly use TFGH before stretching to hit the left ctrl was required (and even then I'd use Alt I guess.)
Johnny Dazzle
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Whats it good for?
I can hit `,1,2,3,4,5,6 tab, q,w,e,r,t,y,u,a,s,d,f,g,h,z,x,c,v,b,caps lock,left shift,left control,left alt with ease. That plus left, middle and right mouse is all the buttons I will ever need.
I can hit `,1,2,3,4,5,6 tab, q,w,e,r,t,y,u,a,s,d,f,g,h,z,x,c,v,b,caps lock,left shift,left control,left alt with ease. That plus left, middle and right mouse is all the buttons I will ever need.
Wasd is for strafing though. You don't need analog for that, it doesn't really add anything.
Then you are wrong!
If by "newer fps games" you mean CoD, BF3 and MoH (and the like), you should know that they all have a very short amount of time it takes to kill someone, so quick aiming is very, very important. Something that M+KB is way better at!
Don't ignore that most FPS on consoles have aim assist !
The fact that it is in most games is proof that controller is not better for FPS!
You don't even know my age, yet try and pull the age card on me!
People say it is hard to play on controller because you have to fight it all the time vs KB+M, it is no proof that it is better!
It is so bad the games even help you!
All your posts in this thread read like trolling.
It sounds like it comes from someone that is trying to delude themselves.
And BTW, I started playing FPS on consoles first then moved to KB+M, I am good at both and know that KB+M is better.
snoopeasystreet
Member
Sweet! I'm now looking forward to Hawken.
krameriffic
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How is mouse look digital? It's infinitely more precise than analog sticks can ever be and the reason why the digital movement provided by WASD works so well: because forward, back, left and right and all the intermediate angles can be constantly readjusted relative to one another with pixel perfect precision by the mouse look.
I'd like to see what you'd use to play Starcraft 2.
Same, I usually rebind crouch to shift.
I think you misspelt caps lock.
The fuck. I had a friend in high school that did the same thing.
Graphics Horse
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Well it adds analogue movement, but I'm not sure if it's more comfortable. If I had the choice I'd have pressure sensitive analogue keys.
I would really like an analog stick and a mouse. I use WASD now but that is 8 directions to choose from. A analog stick can have as many as hardware allows.
That would free upp two fingers. Instead of three fingers on WASD/ESDF/whatever you have the thumb on a analog stick and four fingers free for commands.
Like half a game controller but with more buttons.
That would free upp two fingers. Instead of three fingers on WASD/ESDF/whatever you have the thumb on a analog stick and four fingers free for commands.
Like half a game controller but with more buttons.