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Watchmen Movie ending makes no sense

It's not just the US that got nuked though. I thought this was obvious, maybe its because I saw it recently.

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Yup, ending was perfectly clear to me. Should change thread title to 'Watchmen Movie ending makes no sense if you miss bit that shows why countries would come together'.
 
What didn't make sense to me was the time frame of the bomb going off and the journal sitting on the desk with the rest of the mail.

That was quite a bit after the explosion as there was all Veidt's construction equipment all over the place. I imagine the postal service was probably quite slow after half the city had been obliterated. Or have I misunderstood your post?
 
The changed ending is just the cherry on top of the that shit adaption. You can't slap pages from the book onto the screen, change a few things, and call it a day. The ending was just the biggest and sloppiest of those changes. I can see why the did it, they didn't want to dedicate screen time explaining and showing the alien squid. Fine, but you have to show the impact. You need that splash page of carnage. Some shitty cg craters and the poor acting on display did not do the scene justice at all. The movie has no problem ratcheting up the violence from the book, showing blood and gore throughout, and then turns squeamish at the end? ie.

I agree with you on this point. The backstory to the squid was the most painful part of the graphic novel, (i.e. the story with the Indian artist, etc). However, they could have glossed over it in less than 3 minutes with only 4-5 lines of exposition. For instance,

VEIDT: I'm working on a "special" project that will change things forever.

DREIBERG: You want to share it with me?

VEIDT: I could but there be no fun in that.

DREIBERG: You know, Veidt, there have been dozens of men throughout history who though they could change the world by themselves, but none have succeed.

VEIDT: Oh, but this is different.

Then the could have shown the creation of the Squid in a flashback after it happened, like how the twist in Unbreakable was unraveled to the audience.

Yup, ending was perfectly clear to me. Should change thread title to 'Watchmen Movie ending makes no sense if you miss bit that shows why countries would come together'.
The NUKE-CAM scene was so cringe-worthy. Ugh.
 
Yup, ending was perfectly clear to me. Should change thread title to 'Watchmen Movie ending makes no sense if you miss bit that shows why countries would come together'.

You could do this for every Zack Snyder movie except the BVS theatrical cut.
 
I thought the squid monster was great!

The 'thought bomb' element was what sold it. Folks all over got intense visions of Lovecraftian horrors and alien worlds...

Even better, is that it's just a glorified art project. Not a magic space maguffin, just the combined efforts of some clueless creatives and a bit of bio engineering... okay and a teleporter thing.

The reason people accept the attack is because of the psychic element isn't it?

The aim is it to make the looming nuclear threat obsolete, and in doing so humanity starts to look toward the stars. Kind of a similar trope in Asimov stories, that a natural disaster catalyses space exploration and Earthly coordination.
 
The US is only the most powerful country on earth with the most resources and the best military, technology, and science, but other countries wouldn't band together with them against an extinction level threat for some reason. I guess because those other countries hate Zach Snyder and have to rationalize their hate for everything he does. Maybe Europe would see what the prevailing internet groupthink opinion on Snyder's oeuvre was before exhausting all possibilities to save themselves and all of mankind.
 
A godlike being that America created. Ergo the rest of the world would decide "America, yeah it's time to fuck off" instead of creating world peace. The point of the squid is that it unites humanity because they don't know what the fuck it is other than in-human. It has no country or race or nation of origin.

Exactly, the nature of an Alien threat would still cater to mankind's inherent tribalism, just a tribe of one people united globally against an interstellar "other" (with the added benefit of knowing that "other" was fake and would never attack again).

Ozy's approach to uniting the world was both brutal and the only one that would work: provide a horrific common enemy. Humans seem to need a boogeyman / other / enemy sadly.
 
The US is only the most powerful country on earth with the most resources and the best military, technology, and science, but other countries wouldn't band together with them against an extinction level threat for some reason. I guess because those other countries hate Zach Snyder and have to rationalize their hate for everything he does. Maybe Europe would see what the prevailing internet groupthink opinion on Snyder's oeuvre was before exhausting all possibilities to save themselves and all of mankind.

Seriously. Expecting the "Dawn of the Dead Remake Makes No Sense" thread any day now.
 
Are people here really suggesting that the giant alien squid ending would not be completely ridiculous to the point of causing confusion to the audience? If that had been the movie ending, I'd have thought the entire movie was a joke.
Considering that audiences currently love a talking raccoon, a tree man, and a bunch of aliens fighting what was essentially a giant alien squid at the beginning of GOTG2, I'm sure they could have handled it in a movie like Watchmen.

Snyder's version makes no sense and completely misses the point of the ending of the book. Other countries would absolutely see America as a threat if they let what is essentially a God go haywire. They sure as hell wouldn't trust us anymore. Even if everyone banded together and defeated Manhattan somehow, after that the result would not be world peace. America would be seen as a sketchy threat that is readying other crazy weapons that could go south and further destroy the world. All it would do is cause more paranoia and the warring would pick up where it left off, which is the exact opposite of what the ending of the book was trying to do.

The only reason the end of the book works in the first place is because it was an outside threat that couldn't be traced to any one country. Which meant that no one on Earth could be blamed, which would theoretically bring everyone together to fight threats the universe brings that no one country can handle on their own. If the damage can be traced back to America, it goes from "The Earth vs The Universe" to "Everyone on Earth vs America".
 
My recollection of it is hazy at best, so yeah haha. What was it that caused him to freak out in the comic?

Ah, okay!

At first, Adrian glibly suggests "Professional jealousy" (they have history). :D

Blake (The Comedian) investigated Adrian's Island (which he spotted accidentally, suspecting it to be a Sandinista Base), and discovered the Squid and its purpose.

According to Blake, he:

"thought [he] knew how it was, how the world was. But then [he] found out about [the plan]."

Adrian elaborates:

"Imagine... the perfect fighting man discovering a plot to put an end to war... an end to fighting."

Knowing the 'practical joke' would work, in part due to its sheer audacity, Blake also understood what it meant for people like him, people who are only alive in the chaos of war. There would be no more bases to infiltrate, no more enemies to fight.

As Adrian says:

"The brutal world he'd relished would simply cease to be, its fierce and brawling denizens rushing to join the Mastodon in obsolescence... in extinction."

On top of that, Blake was presented with the same dilemma the rest of the heroes: he had to keep the mass murder of "half of New York" a secret or risk the entire human race.

"I mean, I done some bad things. I did bad things to women. I shot kids! In 'Nam I shot kids.... but I never did anything like, like...

The enormity of this responsibility, the bloody scale of the solution, and the end of everything he was and represents, broke him.

Snyder's version makes no sense and completely misses the point of the ending of the book. Other countries would absolutely see America as a threat if they let what is essentially a God go haywire. They sure as hell wouldn't trust us anymore. Even if everyone banded together and defeated Manhattan somehow, after that the result would not be world peace. America would be seen as a sketchy threat that is readying other crazy weapons that could go south and further destroy the world. All it would do is cause more paranoia and the warring would pick up where it left off, which is the exact opposite of what the ending of the book was trying to do.

Precisely this.

The only reason the end of the book works in the first place is because it was an outside threat that couldn't be traced to any one country.

Exactly. The Squid is an actual lateral solution to the problem, where Jon IS the problem:

"Nevertheless, [Jon] somehow symbolised mankind's problems"

Anyone who thinks The World's Smartest Man would use a (symbolic) nuclear weapon to solve the problem of the nuclear arms race needs to up their standards. :D

Exactly, the nature of an Alien threat would still cater to mankind's inherent tribalism, just a tribe of one people united globally against an interstellar "other" (with the added benefit of knowing that "other" was fake and would never attack again).

Ozy's approach to uniting the world was both brutal and the only one that would work: provide a horrific common enemy. Humans seem to need a boogeyman / other / enemy sadly.

Yes!

Part of the genius of the Squid as a unifying force is its very inhumanity. God-like he may be, Manhattan remains recognisably human (face, arms, legs, balls). Even symbolically, he's still tied to earthly concerns( humanity, politics, etc.).

On the other hand, The Squid is repulsive on an instinctual, biological level, both in-universe and as a reader. It unites the countries beyond politics, on the level of humanity as a species.

It's physical libidinal monstrosity reinforces this far better than Manhattan's blue balls do. This is a vital part of explaining why the world comes together against it. It's one of the areas where the Manhattan Solution is seriously lacking.

Even as a reader, The Squid is genuinely horrifying! It's an unexpected Lovecraftian psycho-sexual horror plonked right in the middle of a pile of corpses (where were they in the film?). It's all phallic, swollen tentacles; parted vaginal lips; rotten colours; exposed brains; etc. It helps make the climax so shocking in a way Manhattan can't.

Man, I love that Squid!

I loved it! Read the comic afterwards and thought the movie was better. What's up with that random monster?!

(Please don't yell at me :))

You should definitely consider giving it another read.

Firstly, it's 100% designed for multiple readings (I've read it at least every year since I was 13 and still find new stuff). Secondly, you'll notice all the clues about the Squid and Adrian's Master Plan (it wasn't random at all)! :)
 
Zack Snyder is a surface level aesthetic fan which is fine, but he seems to miss the finer details when it comes to storyline. See any of his works really, great visuals but subpar storytelling.

This worked for 300 mostly, but for something like watchmen it faltered. Then he took it too extreme with BVS trying to cram in so much storyline to see what stuck to the wall. Turned out none of it did
 
When people complain about shit like this, I always imagine how it would be if it were the other way around.

What if the book had the Manhattan ending, and Snyder gave us the squid. That would have been something.
 
When people complain about shit like this, I always imagine how it would be if it were the other way around.

What if the book had the Manhattan ending, and Snyder gave us the squid. That would have been something.

...and I thought I had too much time on my hands. ;)
 
When people complain about shit like this, I always imagine how it would be if it were the other way around.

What if the book had the Manhattan ending, and Snyder gave us the squid. That would have been something.

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Hahahahaha.

You and i both know people what the reaction would be
 
Just re-watched Watchmen and the end makes no sense to the point it ruins the movie. Why would other nations come together with the United States after the U.S own weapon hurt everyone. Wasn't the point of the giant alien that it was a outside force that nothing could stop. Why work so hard to build a teleportation device that no longer affects the story?

On the contrary my man, it makes total sense

Considering that audiences currently love a talking raccoon, a tree man, and a bunch of aliens fighting what was essentially a giant alien squid at the beginning of GOTG2, I'm sure they could have handled it in a movie like Watchmen.

Snyder's version makes no sense and completely misses the point of the ending of the book. Other countries would absolutely see America as a threat if they let what is essentially a God go haywire. They sure as hell wouldn't trust us anymore. Even if everyone banded together and defeated Manhattan somehow, after that the result would not be world peace. America would be seen as a sketchy threat that is readying other crazy weapons that could go south and further destroy the world. All it would do is cause more paranoia and the warring would pick up where it left off, which is the exact opposite of what the ending of the book was trying to do.

The only reason the end of the book works in the first place is because it was an outside threat that couldn't be traced to any one country. Which meant that no one on Earth could be blamed, which would theoretically bring everyone together to fight threats the universe brings that no one country can handle on their own. If the damage can be traced back to America, it goes from "The Earth vs The Universe" to "Everyone on Earth vs America".


Well yeah, but the point of the movie is that Rorschach completely screws that up by telling the world the truth.

Lol

I thought the squid monster was great!

The 'thought bomb' element was what sold it. Folks all over got intense visions of Lovecraftian horrors and alien worlds...

Even better, is that it's just a glorified art project. Not a magic space maguffin, just the combined efforts of some clueless creatives and a bit of bio engineering... okay and a teleporter thing.

The reason people accept the attack is because of the psychic element isn't it?

The aim is it to make the looming nuclear threat obsolete, and in doing so humanity starts to look toward the stars. Kind of a similar trope in Asimov stories, that a natural disaster catalyses space exploration and Earthly coordination.

A space hurricane would have achieved the same thing lmao

at the end he really didn't need to have Jon do anything just wait for him to leave then set off the bomb. Jon becomes useless to the story.
Also didn't he return cause he felt bad about building the machine used to destroy so many people? Also why have the cat-dog creature why is he even there?

How did you get there with that logic lol?

A godlike being that America created. Ergo the rest of the world would decide "America, yeah it's time to fuck off" instead of creating world peace. The point of the squid is that it unites humanity because they don't know what the fuck it is other than in-human. It has no country or race or nation of origin.

The squid never made sense.

Its a fucking animal.

Humans are already assholes to animals, united in that fashion.

Dr Manhattan makes far more sense, because in this case, Dr Manhattan is the Human and the ants of the world are united against their oppressor. (US)
 
Well yeah, but the point of the movie is that Rorschach completely screws that up by telling the world the truth.

I don't think the diary literally brings everything down. If you think about it, it's left in the crank file of an unashamedly right-wing newspaper. I imagine it'd probably end up a conspiracy theory if anything, especially without (I assume) anyone willing or alive to verify it.

Personally, I don't think that's what the last panel is really for, though I can't deny it is partly there to suggest - along with everything else - that Veidt's utopia won't last.
 
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