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[Count Dookkake]

Remember that I was responding to a post that said copy and paste from the source material = movie failure.

(Then you can in with your 5 movies...)

Adaptions can be good. As long as it retains the core thrusts of the original. (The Shining) Sticking to the source material can also work if the source material is already good. Saying that only adaptations work paves the way for scrambling things just for the sake of scrambling them.

But Cronenberg is right.

You rebutted with Batman and Robin and so I gave a list of things that diverged and worked.

There is not a film that is 100% faithful to the source. It is impossible. So the only way to make an adaptation (good or bad) is to expect changes.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Isn't it awesome that we're having a debate as to whether the non-squid ending we haven't seen yet works in the context of the movie we haven't seen yet?

The internet is a true winner.

 

[Freshmaker]

But Cronenberg is right.

You rebutted with Batman and Robin and so I gave a list of things that diverged and worked.

Then I gave a list of things that diverged (Sin City's better cause Jessica Alba's character was never topless?) and didn't and you countered with, "So?"

Fun insta history... I guess.

There is not a film that is 100% faithful to the source. It is impossible. So the only way to make an adaptation (good or bad) is to expect changes.

It's possible to make changes without drastically altering characters, missing the point etc. Any change made to a movie that fans resent/resist is met with "It's FILM!" That line of thinking is worthless.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Then I gave a list of things that diverged and didn't and you countered with, "So?"

Fun insta history... I guess.

I am beginning to suspect wilful nonsense on your part....

I rebutted your Batman and Robin with a list of five 'good to very good' films that diverged from their sources.

Your point was rebutted. You had already established the possibility of the movie being bad (Batman and Robin, cited). Listing more shitty adaptations does not bolster your position, it only reiterates your point.

Just as it is true that divergence can lead to Batman and Robin, it also can lead to the Shining.

Either one of us listing more movies does nothing to change this.

Now do you understand?

It's possible to make changes without drastically altering characters, missing the point etc. Any change made to a movie that fans resent/resist is met with "It's FILM!" that line of thinking is worthless.

I am not the person with whom you have had that discussion.

Also, judging the changes out of context before you see the film is worthless.

 

[miyamotofreak]

Ugh at those posters. Anyway when Cronenberg did A History of Violence, he didn't dumb it down for film. Whereas the Watchmen stuff does look dumbed down for film

 

[Stinkles]

Isn't it awesome that we're having a debate as to whether the non-squid ending we haven't seen yet works in the context of the movie we haven't seen yet?

The internet is a true winner.

Part of the problem is that a lot of really hardcore fans don't want mainstream audiences to see this, period. They think that will dilute its specialness and make their appreciation for this secret, lofty work of art, somehow less worthy and impressive.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Part of the problem is that a lot of really hardcore fans don't want mainstream audiences to see this, period. They think that will dilute its specialness and make their appreciation for this secret, lofty work of art, somehow less worthy and impressive.

"Oh noes teh casualz!!"

 

[The Lamonster]

Part of the problem is that a lot of really hardcore fans don't want mainstream audiences to see this, period. They think that will dilute its specialness and make their appreciation for this secret, lofty work of art, somehow less worthy and impressive.

I'm just the opposite. I want to spread the love. I want my friends to stop thinking I was the invisible man for Halloween, or that my buddy was from the Blue Man Group...

 

[agrajag]

Your buddy dressed as Dr. Manhattan gives me a chubby. No offense, just sayin'.

edit: I bought pretty much the same coat at a thrift store for my scarecrow halloween costume, only I had to rough it up it to look more raggedy.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Your buddy is kind of chubby to be Dr. Manhattan. No offense, just sayin'.

Fat Jedi are the best.

A Jedi shall not know attachment, but he shall know the best buffets in town.

 

[agrajag]

Fat Jedi are the best.

A Jedi shall not know attachment, but he shall know the best buffets in town.

Doesn't food in the SW universe come in pill form? Or am I thinking of something else..

 

[The Lamonster]

Doesn't food in the SW universe come in pill form? Or am I thinking of something else..

The Jedi have food pills but it's just for emergencies. The SW universe of course has food and drinks. Blue milk, dude.


Also, my buddy is a NeoGaffer too. He might be sad you called him chubby. ;_:

 

[Count Dookkake]

The Jedi have food pills but it's just for emergencies. The SW universe of course has food and drinks. Blue milk, dude.

And flying pears.

 

[The Lamonster]

And flying pears.

 

[Freshmaker]

Either one of us listing more movies does nothing to change this.

Ah. So I should've said "So?" to your first list of 5 where listing anything was already meaningless.

Now do you understand?

There's nothing to understand. You said listing 5 movies proved something, then said listing any more was pointless. Makes perfect sense.

I am not the person with whom you have had that discussion.

Yes. You merely continued it via tangential lists.

Also, judging the changes out of context before you see the film is worthless.

I don't reward random changes from the "But it's FILM!" gallery with $$. The film is not independent of the source.

 

[Count Dookkake]

You are being wilfully obtuse.

Carry on.

 

[agrajag]

The Jedi have food pills but it's just for emergencies. The SW universe of course has food and drinks. Blue milk, dude.


Also, my buddy is a NeoGaffer too. He might be sad you called him chubby. ;_:

Check my edit.

Also, that was milk???

 

[Flynn]

Part of the problem is that a lot of really hardcore fans don't want mainstream audiences to see this, period. They think that will dilute its specialness and make their appreciation for this secret, lofty work of art, somehow less worthy and impressive.

Close.

We don't want the movie to be shitty. Mainstream audiences like shitty stuff. We're worried that they'll make The Watchmen shitty to curry favor with the mainstream.

It's not rocket science. Since the Lumiere Brothers the book has always been better than the movie.

 

[Freshmaker]

You are being wilfully obtuse.

Carry on.

I think I've carried on enough. :lol

 

[bengraven]

Seriously, nukes are so dull compared to the alternative.

 

[Flynn]

Seriously, nukes are so dull compared to the alternative.

explosions

 

[joey_z]

Personally, had I not even read Watchmen, the squid ending would be greatest stunt to pull on the audience. Everyone would leave the theatre thinking 'WTF' instead of 'hmm...nuclear proliferation'. It would be a hoot.

 

[bengraven]

explosions

It's like taking Star Wars and making all the alien characters into normal humans. Han and Bob flying the Millineum Falcon. "Punch it Bob!" "You got it Han!"

 

[Flynn]

It's like taking Star Wars and making all the alien characters into normal humans. Han and Bob flying the Millineum Falcon. "Punch it Bob!" "You got it Han!"

Would today's Hollywood make a blockbuster with a seven foot guy in a monkey suit as one of the co-stars?

 

[bengraven]

Would today's Hollywood make a blockbuster with a seven foot guy in a monkey suit as one of the co-stars?

Okay, I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it.

"It's like George Lucas decided to do another Star Wars and used a computer generated alien extra with the type of humor only kids who watch Dora the Explorer would find funny as the sidekick instead of Chewie".

 

[JDSN]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it.

"It's like George Lucas decided to do another Star Wars and used a computer generated alien extra with the type of humor only kids who watch Dora the Explorer would find funny as the sidekick instead of Chewie".

You mean Jar Jar?

 

[Flynn]

I wish somebody would make a real, freaked-out Alan Moore movie, full of all the acid trips, inter-dimensional beings and crazed serial killers hallucinating into the future that the author intended.

It's been a long time since a movie blew my mind.

 

[AKingNamedPaul]

Ok so I know nothing about the graphic novels, and I'm about to watch the movie. Will I be missing out on much?

 

[Zyzyxxz]

You mean Jar Jar?

I think he was referring to that character called Obi-Wan

 

[my name is ed]

Ok so I know nothing about the graphic novels, and I'm about to watch the movie. Will I be missing out on much?

Read the novel so you can bitch about the movie with the rest of us.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I think he was referring to that character called Ahsoka Tano

fixed.

 

[AKingNamedPaul]

Read the novel so you can bitch about the movie with the rest of us.

I was under the impression that the movie had been out and was not even in theaters anymore, so I was about to watch it on stream. I then realized that it was titled as the movie which isn't even out yet (my friend laughed at me when I told him I was about to watch it.)

In short, Ive made a huge mistake.

 

[miyamotofreak]

Ok so I know nothing about the graphic novels, and I'm about to watch the movie. Will I be missing out on much?

It's just 12 issues collected into one volume you can grab at any bookstore for less than $20 MSRP or much less if you look around. Go read it. The director has even stated that his movie has no chance of ever being as good. Just read it. Will you be missing out if you don't? Yes, you'll be missing like 80% of the Watchmen.

 

[miyamotofreak]

I was under the impression that the movie had been out and was not even in theaters anymore, so I was about to watch it on stream. I then realized that it was titled as the movie which isn't even out yet (my friend laughed at me when I told him I was about to watch it.)

In short, Ive made a huge mistake.

SO MUCH FAIL IN ONE POST AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Buckethead]

Any movie with Carla Gugino is fine in my book, whether it will be a worthy film adaptation remains to be seen, but Carla = hotness.

 

[Freshmaker]

Part of the problem is that a lot of really hardcore fans don't want mainstream audiences to see this, period. They think that will dilute its specialness and make their appreciation for this secret, lofty work of art, somehow less worthy and impressive.

Or they'll go see a stupid ending and say "Wow. That was supposed to be some huge graphic novel? It's just like every other super hero movie. I still don't get what happened anyway."

Basically, they're sacrificing the ending for the sake of stupid people who will be lost regardless. This makes the change moronic.

 

[miyamotofreak]

I wish somebody would make a real, freaked-out Alan Moore movie, full of all the acid trips, inter-dimensional beings and crazed serial killers hallucinating into the future that the author intended.

It's been a long time since a movie blew my mind.

Good idea for a thread.

 

[teepo]

I wish somebody would make a real, freaked-out Alan Moore movie, full of all the acid trips, inter-dimensional beings and crazed serial killers hallucinating into the future that the author intended.

It's been a long time since a movie blew my mind.

you're on to something...

i like it

 

[Flynn]

you're on to something...

i like it

I'll call it "Mondo Moore: Bacchanal Beyond The Beard!"

 

[Tr4nce]

Already posted? Awesome!

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

I finally can jerk off to that pic, thanks

 

[beelzebozo]

i don't like the new posters. something really weird about them. too. . . clean or something. the characters just don't look right, but it's not the costuming or anything. it's the clarity and perspective of the images. i donnu.

 

[Tr4nce]

I finally can jerk off to that pic, thanks

I personally like the Comedian one and ofcourse the Rorschach one. The Comedian one is actually kinda funny and ironic. A man lighting his cigar with a blowtorch saying 'We're society's only protection'. :lol

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

i don't like the new posters. something really weird about them. too. . . clean or something. the characters just don't look right, but it's not the costuming or anything. it's the clarity and perspective of the images. i donnu.

they look excessively staged in my opinion. Everything's pixel perfect, and that's what makes them look weird methinks

 

[Brobzoid]

they look excessively staged in my opinion. Everything's pixel perfect, and that's what makes them look weird methinks

I agree. look staged and silly. and the quotes don't really feel all that striking without previous knowledge of the book, I think. Obviously I can't erase the book from my memory, so trying to pretend is the best I can do, and in my little play-pretend; I'm not getting much from those quotes.

 

[fallengorn]

Didn't dig the The Spirit's marketing using quotes when they unveiled the women of The Spirit. Don't dig the using quotes on these posters too. There's something off-putting about it.

 

[Dahellisdat]

The Jedi have food pills but it's just for emergencies. The SW universe of course has food and drinks. Blue milk, dude.


Also, my buddy is a NeoGaffer too. He might be sad you called him chubby. ;_:

I don't give a FUCK!!!

(Just trying to save you all a little time with the self avatar quote)

 

[∀ Narayan]

Part of the problem is that a lot of really hardcore fans don't want mainstream audiences to see this, period. They think that will dilute its specialness and make their appreciation for this secret, lofty work of art, somehow less worthy and impressive.

I won't lie. I feel this way -- mostly because I feel that the movie will fail to deliver justice to the comic. If I was optimistic about the movie, there's no doubt that I would feel otherwise.

I mean, let's face it. Despite its brilliance, 95% of the people who end up seeing this aren't going to be motivated to read the comic. If the movie fails to deliver justice, the majority is going to think that Watchmen is a poor work as a whole.

Any movie with Carla Gugino is fine in my book, whether it will be a worthy film adaptation remains to be seen, but Carla = hotness.

Yes. My god. She looked amazing in Sin City.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Old for some. New for me.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081107k.php

Awesome article. Also explains the rumors about the ending. It's a spoilerific article w/ Zach Snyder talking about the movie and the ending. I'll quote one phrase from the article:

He also shot down reports of multiple endings - they only filmed the one.

Well... there you have it. Only one ending was shot.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

Didn't dig the The Spirit's marketing using quotes when they unveiled the women of The Spirit. Don't dig the using quotes on these posters too. There's something off-putting about it.

Yeah, I kinda don't see the point in doing it as well. "Pictures" alone could've made a bigger impact, I think. Let the viewers make their own mind about such images