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Son of Godzilla
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What's with the watch imagery in the trailer? Is this movie coping something from that bad guy in Heros?
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The Lamonster said:
Did the scale seem off to anyone else in that shot?
If you watch it again, it doesn't look like he's towering above. It looks like he's standing right behind him.
This might be an entertaining revision for the moving pictures. I wish I could say I really loved Watchmen the graphic novel but I just didn't, suppose I'm not really smart enough to appreciate it. Though when I did read it it was a couple of years ago when I was just getting into comics/graphic novels and here was the whole basis of taking apart the stereotypical superheroes genre I loved cause I guess I read so many of the DC classics archives. I guess I just didn't appreciate it enough and what it did, I might read it again to refresh myself a second time but I don't know. Guess I'm the odd one out cause I still have mixed feelings about it.
From what I've read so far of the comic, there are a number of watch references. There's the doomsday clock which is set to five minutes till midnight (indicating nuclear war is imminent). There's the fact that Doctor Manhattan (the blue guy) was originally a watch maker. Etc.Son of Godzilla said:
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I hate bolding too, especially in something that's supposed to be a serious literary work. Is Absolute edition free of those boldings?
BenjaminBirdie
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Marconelly said:
Of course not. This book was hand lettered by Dave Gibbons himself. And like all comics that aren't lettered by their writer, this bolding is written into the script.
But feel free to pass it up because of that and sit back and enjoy a completely butchered film version that spits in the face of the work's entire original moral compass. Because you can guarantee that Denny Duquette will be bringing the very opposite of boldness to his performance.
Bolding exists in lettering because comics are a "live" performance. Are movies not serious works of art because people yell? And an artist can't capture every single moment of emphasis in a comic book. That would take pages with hundreds of panels.
It's comics. Ultimately if one of their core constructs bugs you in such a fashion, they may not be for you.
Whoa whoa, movie changes spoilers:
There is no more monster, just a flash of light???? IMO thats OK, no need to spend few mil$ on a 1 minute scene.
Veidt dies im movie??? ZOMG NOOOOOO! The whole point of comic is that he sacrificed few milion american lives to save the world, and he did it, and he was not punished for it. If they kill him, this movie will fuckin epic fail!!!
Also, judging by the trailer, i think that they will make Night Owl II total badass. I hope that will not come to pass. He's a fat old ex vigilante.
Veidt dies im movie??? ZOMG NOOOOOO! The whole point of comic is that he sacrificed few milion american lives to save the world, and he did it, and he was not punished for it. If they kill him, this movie will fuckin epic fail!!!
Also, judging by the trailer, i think that they will make Night Owl II total badass. I hope that will not come to pass. He's a fat old ex vigilante.
BenjaminBirdie
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DieH@rd said:
Yeah, that sounds like it won't be a problem at all, especially since there are no key scenes regarding
the monster's genesis
And that justification of it is pretty strange. If something so critical isn't worth the money, turn around, take your money, and make something else. There are literally hundreds of other movies you could be making and/or more suitable things you could be adapting.
BenjaminBirdie said:
I think you missed the part where some of us believe the bolding is incoherent, inconsistant, and basically there for seemingly no reason. It's merely a question of taste and I and others were wondering if we could get a version without it. Don't get all high and mighty because we don't "get it."
When Laurie
leaves Jon/Dr. Manhattan, it was very difficult for me to understand her emotional process because the bolding took away the nature of what she was saying
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joshcryer said:
No. I didn't miss that.
Moore wrote it that way, as plain as stage directions. Beckett can get pretty incoherent and inconsistent too, but I don't see his stuff getting called out as being unserious or non-literary.
BenjaminBirdie
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joshcryer said:
I just read those pages a few times to try and figure out what the problem is and I can't. Moore is directing her performance like any other director would. It's not like she's inflecting words that have no business being inflected in that situation.
For the record I think the problem is you're not supposed to read the bolding as emphasis but rather remember the bolded parts as important aspects of the narrative. That's where the confusion comes in.
And as I said I can read past the bolding, it's just an unfamiliar relationship with text and takes getting used to, I am not a serious comic reader (V for Vendetta, Y: The Last Man, and The Watchman are the only comics I have read).
And as I said I can read past the bolding, it's just an unfamiliar relationship with text and takes getting used to, I am not a serious comic reader (V for Vendetta, Y: The Last Man, and The Watchman are the only comics I have read).
BenjaminBirdie
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joshcryer said:
Well, that makes sense. It's being utilized completely differently. I know a lot prose dialogue uses italics in the same way but Bold Italics is used in comics because it kind of needs two tiers of that kind of emphasis to different levels of inflection.
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Zyzyxxz said:
The regular trade is the only other option but it's definitely sturdy. It's a big book.
Greatness Gone
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There are only two versions, IIRC. Regular TPB one and absolute edition. Just get the paperback.Zyzyxxz said:
I've just read ending of the original 2003 David Hayter script (link), and yeah, he changed the ending. I reccomend reading the script from page 124, dont read this spoilers if you want to read end of the script...
- Veidt destroyed NY
- Jon kills Rorshnach [he removes mask before death]. Dan see it and screams [scene from trailer]
- Veidt told Dan&Laurie that they may live if they leave costumes forever
- Jon leaves this galaxy
- That night Dan takes his Nightvission gogles, and kills Veidt
- he sends the message from Veidt computer to world leaders, that peace must be maintained
- sometime later Sally jupiter is in NY, she comes to Laurie and Dan's appartment to see her grandshild. There is one hint that Dan is still doing his masked Night Owl thing.
- end scene, intern at that news company puts his hand on the pile of letters, with Rorsnach's journal on top of it.
END.
- Jon kills Rorshnach [he removes mask before death]. Dan see it and screams [scene from trailer]
- Veidt told Dan&Laurie that they may live if they leave costumes forever
- Jon leaves this galaxy
- That night Dan takes his Nightvission gogles, and kills Veidt
- he sends the message from Veidt computer to world leaders, that peace must be maintained
- sometime later Sally jupiter is in NY, she comes to Laurie and Dan's appartment to see her grandshild. There is one hint that Dan is still doing his masked Night Owl thing.
- end scene, intern at that news company puts his hand on the pile of letters, with Rorsnach's journal on top of it.
END.
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Because Rorschach is that ugly, AMIRITE?DieH@rd said:
Edit - lol, nvm. I misread that as Nite Owl screaming because Rorschach took off his mask.
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Greatness Gone said:
shouldn't this be spoiler tagged? I remember most readers were surprised at his...less than appealing appearance 
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Rorschach said:
it's not so easy to answer, actually. Which was one of the highest points of the book: it makes you think about a whole lot of topics
oh, and does
Veidt really die in the movie? This must be the most fucking retarded thing ever. Him being spared by Dr Manhattan is another really controversial fact, and makes you think as well: why Manhattan lets him live? Probably because Manhattan wants him to think about what he's done, and yes, because Manhattan has lost interest in human life a long time ago. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, DUMB decision
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Mistouze said:
He does. It's strongly implicated that he's effectively
aware of all time and its intricacies at that point, able to rewind and foresee with a large degree of accuracy, which perfectly ties in with the main theme of the book - time. Manhattan represents our ability to read a comic book, to stop, flick back, flick forward and traverse through time as we wish at any speed we wish. He sees life, much like we see Watchmen - as a book to go through at his own pace, knowing that he may observe it, but is unable to ultimately change the events that unfold because even he's part of a grander scheme. And like us, at the end, he leaves that world in the knowledge of his power and powerlessness. As Rich Johnston smartly pointed out, "who watches the Watchmen? We do."
It's brilliant. Something that encapsulates the whole book from its title, represented through who? A former watchmaker. Turned God, after he realises that control over time is impossible and ultimately irrelevant (remember, he throws his watch pieces away in the realisation of his career change).
It's brilliant. Something that encapsulates the whole book from its title, represented through who? A former watchmaker. Turned God, after he realises that control over time is impossible and ultimately irrelevant (remember, he throws his watch pieces away in the realisation of his career change).
(And I'm still not fussed about it becoming a bad movie - I got over League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I'll get over this regardless of its quality. Yes, it's the ultimate comic book, as far as I can see it - much like Lone Wolf and Cub in terms of influence - but no film can change or alter my perception of the book).
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cbrotherson said:
EXCELLENT post, man, much better than anything I coulda said about the matter
Mistouze said:
Definitely, killing Veidt would be completely pointless. But why, for example, doesn't Manhattan travel back in time and stop the whole thing? Because, as cbrotherson has just pointed out with great exactness, he has seen things in a much grander scheme. He already lost a lot of interest in human lives, he's the ultimate being, he doesn't care about the incident at all.
And when Veidt asks him if he did the right thing, and if it all worked out in the end, Manhattan says that nothing ever ends, and Veidt realizes that what he's done will become useless because there will be more wars, more conflicts. The clock has reached the zero, and it's ready to start running again. This is the grander scheme Manhattan has foreseen. Veidt is just human.
And when Veidt asks him if he did the right thing, and if it all worked out in the end, Manhattan says that nothing ever ends, and Veidt realizes that what he's done will become useless because there will be more wars, more conflicts. The clock has reached the zero, and it's ready to start running again. This is the grander scheme Manhattan has foreseen. Veidt is just human.
Give it some more time. I'm actually re-reading the book now, and I'm loving those early chapters a lot more than my first go-through. Probably because I notice the subtle intricacies more. When I read it the first time, I wasn't really "hooked in" until Chapter V. From there on out it's Crazy Train to Awesometown.Kletian said:
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DieH@rd said:
Yeah, what the hell is the deal with this. That part in the trailer with the epic music and him landing on the street, I thought..."That's a little too bad ass for an impotent, washed up superhero."
Regarding the movie ending, I think we should clear it up 100% before people go crazy forming extreme opinions.
In the Snyder interview linked in this thread he says he didn't want to do The Watchmen because it was too daunting but when he heard that it was going to be done he petitioned hard to get it and to scrap the existing scripts. He wanted to stay true to the original including the original ending. Apparently he got his way.
It is said he changed (updated) the final catastrophy but the Moore ending remains.
Anyway this is what I remember. We should confirm.
In the Snyder interview linked in this thread he says he didn't want to do The Watchmen because it was too daunting but when he heard that it was going to be done he petitioned hard to get it and to scrap the existing scripts. He wanted to stay true to the original including the original ending. Apparently he got his way.
It is said he changed (updated) the final catastrophy but the Moore ending remains.
Anyway this is what I remember. We should confirm.
Okay, I found the Snyder interview. It wasn't already in the thread but I linked it from the Moore interview.
VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HATE THE MOVIE BASED ON THE SUPPOSED ENDING.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213067_20213068_20213273,00.html
Looks like the original ending is in. Please stop hating the movie you haven't seen yet for this reason and kind find another reason to hate instead.
VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HATE THE MOVIE BASED ON THE SUPPOSED ENDING.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213067_20213068_20213273,00.html
Looks like the original ending is in. Please stop hating the movie you haven't seen yet for this reason and kind find another reason to hate instead.
Dyno said:
We hope this is no longer the case. But it is unlikely that there will be proof one way or another for months.Markster said:
[edit]Ah, you found the interview you reference. That sounds hopeful. We shall see.
(I'm seeing the movie day one regardless, I'm just prepared for the worst now)
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agreed.Evlar said:
And yes, doesn't matter how old the content is. We tagged LOTR shit in '99 for chrissakes.
I know next-to-nothing about this story and I'd like to keep it that way...but I still want to visit the thread to soothe my anticipation of the incoming wave of awesomeness.
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Viewt said:
That's true. Doesn't look like the movie version is going to have a gut though.
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