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"We can't afford the xbox, so I'm getting a PS4"

Nilaul said:
Not to mention the way better online value (free games etc), and no creepy extra paywalls for netflix and stuff.
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For the first time in roughly 9 years I just let my Xbox Gold account expire without renewing it. For precisely the reasons you mentioned I don't think I'll bother renewing it anytime soon. When I get a PS4 I'll be subbing to PS+ for the first time...and see no reason to pay for both services. I seriously doubt I'm alone in this decision.
 
hampig said:
I don't get it. $100 is a lot of money.
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And 400$ is not?

These consoles are expensive, no matter how we put it.

Even trying to be as cheap as it gets, meaning no games at launch, no accessories, etc., one would still have to buy an online subscription.

Making the PS4 cost at least 450.

And since Driveclub and indie games aren't that high on the wishlist for this holiday season, add another 50 to the total bill.

Same goes for XB1, adding an additional hundred dollars.

So if a family can't afford 500, they shouldn't blow 400+ on a similar luxury item.
 
metareferential said:
And 400$ is not?

These consoles are expensive, no matter how we put it.

Even trying to be as cheap as it gets, meaning no games at launch, no accessories, etc., one would still have to buy an online subscription.

Making the PS4 cost at least 450.

And since Driveclub and indie games aren't that high on the wishlist for this holiday season, add another 50 to the total bill.

Same goes for XB1, adding an additional hundred dollars.

So if a family can't afford 500, they shouldn't blow 400+ on a similar luxury item.
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I think you're missing the point. The family can afford the ps4 but cannot afford the xbox one due to 100 dollar price difference. They can clearly afford 400 dollars, maybe even 450 as you suggest and perhaps they are relying on another family member to buy a game or two. Even if they bought 1 game the price difference would still likely be about 100 dollars.

You're suggesting that if you cannot afford 500 dollars to spend, there is no way they can afford 400 dollars (which isn't logically correct anyway). It sounds like they are being smart with the budget for the holidays and yes 100 dollars over budget falls into not being able to afford.
 
metareferential said:
And 400$ is not?

These consoles are expensive, no matter how we put it.

Even trying to be as cheap as it gets, meaning no games at launch, no accessories, etc., one would still have to buy an online subscription.

Making the PS4 cost at least 450.

And since Driveclub and indie games aren't that high on the wishlist for this holiday season, add another 50 to the total bill.

Same goes for XB1, adding an additional hundred dollars.

So if a family can't afford 500, they shouldn't blow 400+ on a similar luxury item.
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More like they can't afford to burn $100, not that they can't afford $500 period.
 
The console isn't just $500 keep in mind. at a 5% sales tax that's 525 right off the bat. Oh you want a game? $60. Want another controller? $50. Want another game? Another $60.

$703+50 PS sub so really $753 and you haven't even done anything yet

Might as well buy a fucking PC instead, for that much you can play anything on the market w/ better graphics than either the xbone or ps4
 
metareferential said:
And 400$ is not?

These consoles are expensive, no matter how we put it.

Even trying to be as cheap as it gets, meaning no games at launch, no accessories, etc., one would still have to buy an online subscription.

Making the PS4 cost at least 450.

And since Driveclub and indie games aren't that high on the wishlist for this holiday season, add another 50 to the total bill.

Same goes for XB1, adding an additional hundred dollars.

So if a family can't afford 500, they shouldn't blow 400+ on a similar luxury item.
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You've missed the point. It's not about 'can I afford to spend $100 extra or not' but it's a case of better value. Just have a look at the PS3. $599. Not many paid at that price, though more people jumped on the train when it hit $499.
 
Gvaz said:
The console isn't just $500 keep in mind. at a 5% sales tax that's 525 right off the bat. Oh you want a game? $60. Want another controller? $50. Want another game? Another $60.

$703+50 PS sub so really $753 and you haven't even done anything yet

Might as well buy a fucking PC instead, for that much you can play anything on the market w/ better graphics than either the xbone or ps4
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Games are free on the PC? You can play local multiplayer?

This is fucking hilarious. Some of you complain these consoles aren't powerful enough but at the same time suggest they are also too expensive for what they are! At $399, this is the best hardware you'll ever get.
 
velociraptor said:
Games are free on the PC? You can play local multiplayer?
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Some games you can. I can't say I really give a shit about local multiplayer though.

Also with steam, yeah basically free in the sense of I'm not having to pay $60 for a 2 year old game, instead paying $5.
 
velociraptor said:
Games are free on the PC? You can play local multiplayer?

This is fucking hilarious. Some of you complain these consoles aren't powerful enough but at the same time suggest they are also too expensive for what they are! At $399, this is the best hardware you'll ever get.
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For the money, if the xbone was $400 yes it would be a good value if you only ever got the console and nothing else (for example being able to play an old 360 game on the device you already bought ages ago, much like you'd be able to do on the PC)

But there is a continuing value of investment that you have to put forward because of the nature of the beast.

Then you get up to that level of investment and you're collectively spending about as much as you would on a new pc, to play a library of games you already have.

Perhaps that's not your situation, but it is mine. So tell me, why get the console at all when it's still substandard to my pc of years ago? For the exclusives? That's not a good enough reason. Even if I was a halo fanatic i'm not fucking buying into a whole console+accessories when the price considering the other things is so high.
 
.GqueB. said:
Why WOULDN'T people call it the One. Xbox 360 became the 360 after a short time. Is there any reason to think people aren't going to shorten this to the One? You'll see...

YOU'LL ALL SEE!
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The One, there happy? ;)
actually it sounds ok saying it that way lol
 
Gvaz said:
For the money, if the xbone was $400 yes it would be a good value if you only ever got the console and nothing else (for example being able to play an old 360 game on the device you already bought ages ago, much like you'd be able to do on the PC)

But there is a continuing value of investment that you have to put forward because of the nature of the beast.

Then you get up to that level of investment and you're collectively spending about as much as you would on a new pc, to play a library of games you already have.

Perhaps that's not your situation, but it is mine. So tell me, why get the console at all when it's still substandard to my pc of years ago? For the exclusives? That's not a good enough reason. Even if I was a halo fanatic i'm not fucking buying into a whole console+accessories when the price considering the other things is so high.
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The fact it's 'substandard' to your PC doesn't matter at all. The consoles will both get very good looking games; games which will certainly hold up to your high end PC rig. Furthermore, the consoles are designed to one spec. Good luck having the exact same rig for the next 5-6 years. The investment required on the PC is greater than the investment required for a console.

What? Games are not free on the PC. Consoles allow me to sell all my games and recoup investment. For every new PS3 title I purchased, I also sold a title or two. I effectively got all my games for half price. For example, I sold RE6 and Uncharted 2 on Amazon for £20 total. Purchased LOU for £35 a couple of months back. That's a net price of £15. Brilliant!

Yes the consoles are not backwards compatible but that isn't the point. Besides, there are plenty of F2P titles available with the PS4. Hell, Resogun and Drive Club come with PS+ at launch, with new games given out every month. Instant game library justifies the purchase of this service alone.

But I'm not trying to convince you to buy a console. That's your decision. I simply don't understand the 'consoles are such a terrible value' argument whilst everyone throws around 'but it's weaker than my PC' line too.
 
velociraptor said:
The fact it's 'substandard' to your PC doesn't matter at all. The consoles will both get very good looking games; games which will certainly hold up to your high end PC rig. Furthermore, the consoles are designed to one spec. Good luck having the exact same rig for the next 5-6 years. The investment required on the PC is greater than the investment required for a console.

What? Games are not free on the PC. Consoles allow me to sell all my games and recoup investment. For every new PS3 title I purchased, I also sold a title or two. I effectively got all my games for half price. For example, I sold RE6 and Uncharted 2 on Amazon for £20 total. Purchased LOU for £35 a couple of months back. That's a net price of £15. Brilliant!

Yes the consoles are not backwards compatible but that isn't the point. Besides, there are plenty of F2P titles available with the PS4. Hell, Resogun and Drive Club come with PS+ at launch, with new games given out every month. Instant game library justifies the purchase of this service alone.

But I'm not trying to convince you to buy a console. That's your decision. I simply don't understand the 'consoles are such a terrible value' argument whilst everyone throws around 'but it's weaker than my PC' line too.
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I've seen this same shitty "Don't waste your money on a console! Buy a PC" mantra pop up a few times recently.
 
Dinzy said:
Exactly. And the US is not a "Christian" Nation and "In god we trust" was added to money in the 50s. But Christians don't really care about facts too much
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Christmas... Christ mas... Christ....

Is this one of those object lessons of showing how people bury their heads in the sand but putting your own further and deeper in than everyone else?
 
.GqueB. said:
Why WOULDN'T people call it the One. Xbox 360 became the 360 after a short time. Is there any reason to think people aren't going to shorten this to the One? You'll see...

YOU'LL ALL SEE!
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I actually really hate that name, the whole branding for Xbox One has been horrible. "The One" sounds as cheeky as "Xbone" and all the other ways to abbreviate Xbox One.
 
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I remember when I got my PS2 for Christmas. I flipped my shit. My family did an excellent job in hiding it from me, knowing I would be snooping around.
 
velociraptor said:
You've missed the point. It's not about 'can I afford to spend $100 extra or not' but it's a case of better value. Just have a look at the PS3. $599. Not many paid at that price, though more people jumped on the train when it hit $499.
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Better value, yes.

I was making a general point. It's better to avoid blowing that much cash if just 100 dollars makes the family go over-budget.

Of course the PS4 is much better value, since kids just want their next-gen CoD/BF/Madden/insert popular third party blockbuster.
 
velociraptor said:
The fact it's 'substandard' to your PC doesn't matter at all. The consoles will both get very good looking games; games which will certainly hold up to your high end PC rig. Furthermore, the consoles are designed to one spec. Good luck having the exact same rig for the next 5-6 years. The investment required on the PC is greater than the investment required for a console.

What? Games are not free on the PC. Consoles allow me to sell all my games and recoup investment. For every new PS3 title I purchased, I also sold a title or two. I effectively got all my games for half price. For example, I sold RE6 and Uncharted 2 on Amazon for £20 total. Purchased LOU for £35 a couple of months back. That's a net price of £15. Brilliant!

Yes the consoles are not backwards compatible but that isn't the point. Besides, there are plenty of F2P titles available with the PS4. Hell, Resogun and Drive Club come with PS+ at launch, with new games given out every month. Instant game library justifies the purchase of this service alone.

But I'm not trying to convince you to buy a console. That's your decision. I simply don't understand the 'consoles are such a terrible value' argument whilst everyone throws around 'but it's weaker than my PC' line too.
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Yeah that's great when you actually play games and then go back to best buy and trade them in for the Next Big Game. You'd save money by just renting them at that point.

F2P games are shit, universally. Sure some of them have a big fanbase ie. lol/hon/dota 2/etc but I don't like a single one of them. Like that f2p shooter on the ps3, it's so terrible, because it's f2p.

And yeah, I can go years without needing new components, as really the only thing is to make sure you have a good processor, the graphic card investment + steam is really the only expenditure over the years and that's still cheaper than getting both or one console combined given the circumstances.

This is basically like the analogy of: "well I don't want to buy a Straight Edge razor because it's $120, when I can get these Axe Multi Blade razors for $15!" Regardless of the fact it's $120 plus minor expenses over years of time, compared to $15 a fucking month or more plus expenses. Sure it's cheaper up front, but more expensive in the long run.

Also you're going "but I can sell my games" as a point of being able to get them for cheap/free. Yeah well I can also pay $10 for an indie game that sells for $20 on the consoles from preordering. Or I can pay $5-15 for a game that's been out for a year where the only cheap price for a console version is to pay $20 preowned and not get any DLC. Or I can get a group of games for fucking $1 on a bundle. This price discrepancy is a huge factor of why I find it a waste of resources to invest in consoles, at least until they get their act together and utilize this system.
 
metareferential said:
Better value, yes.

I was making a general point. It's better to avoid blowing that much cash if just 100 dollars makes the family go over-budget.

Of course the PS4 is much better value, since kids just want their next-gen CoD/BF/Madden/insert popular third party blockbuster.
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It's called not wasting money needlessly. For example, just because I can spend £200 on a GPU does not mean I will spend £300 on one.
 
metareferential said:
And 400$ is not?

These consoles are expensive, no matter how we put it.

Even trying to be as cheap as it gets, meaning no games at launch, no accessories, etc., one would still have to buy an online subscription.

Making the PS4 cost at least 450.

And since Driveclub and indie games aren't that high on the wishlist for this holiday season, add another 50 to the total bill.

Same goes for XB1, adding an additional hundred dollars.

So if a family can't afford 500, they shouldn't blow 400+ on a similar luxury item.
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no you wouldn't
 
Gvaz said:
Yeah that's great when you actually play games and then go back to best buy and trade them in for the Next Big Game. You'd save money by just renting them at that point.

F2P games are shit, universally. Sure some of them have a big fanbase ie. lol/hon/dota 2/etc but I don't like a single one of them. Like that f2p shooter on the ps3, it's so terrible, because it's f2p.

And yeah, I can go years without needing new components, as really the only thing is to make sure you have a good processor, the graphic card investment + steam is really the only expenditure over the years and that's still cheaper than getting both or one console combined given the circumstances.

This is basically like the analogy of: "well I don't want to buy a Straight Edge razor because it's $120, when I can get these Axe Multi Blade razors for $15!" Regardless of the fact it's $120 plus minor expenses over years of time, compared to $15 a fucking month or more plus expenses. Sure it's cheaper up front, but more expensive in the long run.

Also you're going "but I can sell my games" as a point of being able to get them for cheap/free. Yeah well I can also pay $10 for an indie game that sells for $20 on the consoles from preordering. Or I can pay $5-15 for a game that's been out for a year where the only cheap price for a console version is to pay $20 preowned and not get any DLC. Or I can get a group of games for fucking $1 on a bundle. This price discrepancy is a huge factor of why I find it a waste of resources to invest in consoles, at least until they get their act together and utilize this system.
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I'm sorry but none of that makes any sense. I have a gaming PC and I have yet to see these super mega bargains that you speak of. Sometimes you can pick up some good titles during Steam sales (for £5-15). Nobody is forcing you to buy a more expensive variation of the game.

You can't get any big titles for 'cheap or free' at launch day. No good PC game is for free. I don't know what land you are living, but I would also like to know where I can spend $1 on AAA titles.

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This is superior to Steam.
 
akachan ningen said:
I never thought I'd hear somebody say something like that but I did today, at taco bell. Apparently, this kid had this year's Christmas present all planned out. Some parents don't even try to make Christmas fun, they're basically like vending machines.
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Why risk a shit surprise?
 
velociraptor said:
I'm sorry but none of that makes any sense. I have a gaming PC and I have yet to see these super mega bargains that you speak of. Sometimes you can pick up some good titles during Steam sales (for £5-15). Nobody is forcing you to buy a more expensive variation of the game.

You can't get any big titles for 'cheap or free' at launch day. No good PC game is for free. I don't know what land you are living, but I would also like to know where I can spend $1 on AAA titles.
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I never mentioned LAUNCH titles. To be frank I don't buy games on release unless I am utterly convinced it's going to be good (ie Witcher 2, which it was worth every penny)

Most recent example: Origin Humble Bundle
Dead Space 3, Dead Space, Crysis 2 Maximum Edition, Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box, Medal of Honor, and Mirror’s Edge

Most of those I would consider AAA, and I paid a dollar for them. Were they launch? No. Were they recent? Not really. Dead Space 3 came out 6 months prior to this deal though, so I'd say that's a big deal. Hell, even AC3 was on sale on amazon for like around $15 or so, and ubisoft games are never on sale anywhere for that deep of a discount, even years out (unfortunately)

I too have a PS+ subscription and think it was worth the money I paid for it. Is it as good as steam or better? No, because I don't need an active paid account in order to continue to use the games.
 
I knew I was getting a PS2 for xmas back in 2001, so what? But yeah MS just about priced themselves out of relevancy with the Xbone. It's kind of like Nintendo's situation with the WiiU. They really overestimate people's willingness to spend big money on something with almost no games
 
Let's not act like $100 isn't a competitive difference. But if you can't "afford" an Xbox One, dropping $400 on a PS4 and $60 on a game might not be a good idea.
 
I wonder, if PS4 really steals customers away from the Xbox, what that'll mean for PSN if all those people who had sex with my mom last night switch over.
 
People do understand that a 50 dollar year sub for PS+ gets you online play AND a year of d/l games right?

That's 12 months of games you payed for once... Just once...

I've seen someone just own a PS3 with PS plus and have a full backlog of titles... He owned 0 retail games.

Why would you pay $100 for less??
 
Price will be a huge determining factor. Especially earlier in the generation when the first party exclusives are few and of first batch quality. People will buy the console that is cheaper because of third party titles.
 
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