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We have no plans to introduce an Xbox One without Kinect - MS
- Thread starter Cidd
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Which games are these, if they force kinect on me outside of kinect games i wont buy said game.
Sorry I got your name wrong Roland however you are wrong. You can completely turn off the microphone on the Xbox one. Microsoft has stated this multiple times. Here is a link if you do not believe me http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy
I am not trying to make you change your mind though. I just think there is too much misinformation about the new Kinect sensor.
Just to be clear, because I don't mind cameras does not mean I support illegal wire tapping.
jayfrontz08
Banned
Well i dont see that happening till after a poor launch of it happens that way the'll have no choice really
jayfrontz08
Banned
But u are wrong abkut the Wii mote u had to use the Wii mote and only the Wii mote for games like wii sports and Wii sports 2 true most games had other methods of use but thier were alot of uses for the Wii mote and the kinect barely had any games that where just for it most where dancing and work out games and kinect sports the biggest problem was the kinect didnt catch on as well and as the Wii mote and the 360 more popular games didnt need the kinect.
of course they'd say that just before launch. Launch devices will have kinect included. Any changes to that would be later next year in reaction to a bad launch and if a severe price cut is needed - basically corrective action that would otherwise risk MS's strategy
having said that, MS had no plans to change their DRM process or indie publishing stance..
having said that, MS had no plans to change their DRM process or indie publishing stance..
Officerrob
Banned
Whatever floats their boat, but I'm not getting one until there is a price drop or they have a SKU without Kinect
there was opportunity with 24 million kinect users on Xbox 360. There hasn't been much evidence that opportunity was taken.
So now we're supposed to go 'oh well maybe this time'?
How many times should we pay significant amounts of money for 'maybe' tech before we say 'no thanks, show us something that makes it worth the investment *before* we open our wallets again'
fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
edit: Having said that, if MS aren't going big on games with kinect, but it is instead leveraged heavily in the OS and on the apps side, that could still result in a meaningful value-add. (still don't think it should be mandatory though)
in the world of DVRs, this is a huge failure.
(I am optimistic that MS will add this in the hopefully near future. Maybe only for certain compatible DVRs like tivo series 3 or sky boxes in the UK, but recorded show data is there and usable with the right software, along with the ability to start playback of a recorded show)
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
Crazy Buttocks on a Train. He posts about the future on GAF and is always right.
It took me a bit of time, but I have made a prototype of what I'd like the Xbox One Slim to look like. I'll wait for that version.
Yes, I can see myself waiting for the slim version too.
Microsoft should hire you for head of their hardware design department.
you sure do a better job than them.
StrongArmSteady
Member
Translation: Please dont wait a year to buy an xbone!?!
Lucent
Member
lol. Thanks you, kind sir. =p
I'm in f'ing tears here wooo damn
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Let's not bullshit ourselves. They will backtrack, they will change their minds, they will introduce a kinectless xbox.
Despite all that has gone in reverse, no.
test_account
XP-39C²
Hasnt this always been the case? I havnt seen any recent rumors that Microsoft wouldnt include the Kincket anyway, or did i miss anything?
Triggerhappytel
Member
I don't think they've ever commented on it. If people are concerned about privacy but they've got to keep the damn thing plugged in, then I'd think just draping a tea towel over the top would be okay, but it might need some kind of visual signal in order to operate. As far as I know MS hasn't approached this specific aspect.
not very okay. actually, its a "no buy" status if it works like you describe.
physically removable, else no deal.
and if by any chance we see something kinect related that we like, we can always plug it in.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I agree that it's not 'okay'; we shouldn't have to find a way around the intrusive hardware which could infringe on our privacy. Especially given the recent MS/NSA revelations. I just meant that at least putting a tea towel over the top means it maybe can't physically watch us.
IdiotMyshkin
Banned
Theres nothing in that link that says third parties dont have control of it too. If you buy this your home is monitored. Period. If you think that ms will stand up, you're simply wrong, they've sold you before and will again
CadetMahoney
Member
Until 1st party games start showing the way on how to best make use of it and heaven forbid any of them start making big bucks, forcing third party multi-platform games to seriously consider implementing it. The question remains if and what use will Kinect 2 have in games.
When has Microsoft uploaded video feeds or audio that wouldn't normally go over the internet?
von Stroheim
Member
They are ABSOLUTELY NOT going to put out an XBONE without KINECT!!
Until they do.
Until they do.
Yeah, because Skype is normally offline, right?
I don't think you understood what he asked
IdiotMyshkin
Banned
Explain
lol so if something has ever touched the internet then its fair game for anyone to give your personal info to anyone else. That's uhh quite the argument
lol so if something has ever touched the internet then its fair game for anyone to give your personal info to anyone else. That's uhh quite the argument
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Kinect Sports would still exist if Kinect was sold separately.
Kinect Sports would still exist if Kinect was sold separately.
Kinect Sports would still exist if Kinect was sold separately.
Kinect Sports would still exist if Kinect was sold separately.
You guys are abusing the words "essential", "integral", and "critical." Kinect 2 is none of these things for the first year lineup and the console UI.
People who enjoy Kinect games would still get them if it's a peripheral. People who want the UI could still buy a Kinect bundle if voice and motion was their thing. This isn't an either/or scenario, just take it out of the basic box.
something fishy
Member
oh well c ya then.
I have no plans to buy a Xbox One, but I do understand M$ position here and I'm glad they are sticking up to their guns. In a way, PS4 is the one playing safe.
Kinect 2 is pretty much the differential hardware that makes the Xbone more than just next-gen console backed up by brand name. Remove it and you have just a powerful console without anything else, besides brand name, to compete with the PS4.
And feel obliged to point out that the "I just want option" doesn't really hold weight on this case. Xbone already offers you options by shipping with both a Kinect 2 and a traditional controller. Asking for a Xbone bundle without the Kinect 2 and just a traditional controller would be like asking for a Wii bundle without the Wiimote and just the classic controller. You defeat the whole point of the console and undermine development efforts to make use of the unique tech. This isn't about just getting Kinect Sports to exist, it's about paving the way for uses of Kinect in most Xbone ganes. You can't achieve that by making it a peripheral. It's common freaking sense.
Honestly, I think this issue had less to do with privacy and more with the sheer hatred motion gaming is getting from hardcores because of Kinect 1 (a peripheral, non-obligatory accessory, that anyone with the minimal amount of common sense can tell why it didn't great great AAA games. Developers didn't feel obliged to develop AAA games shaped around a optional peripheral).
I do like to think that, with Kinect 2 bundled with every console, the Xbone will get his own share of great games making use of Kinect. Just like Wii got his own share of great games making great use of the Wiimote.
Kinect 2 is pretty much the differential hardware that makes the Xbone more than just next-gen console backed up by brand name. Remove it and you have just a powerful console without anything else, besides brand name, to compete with the PS4.
And feel obliged to point out that the "I just want option" doesn't really hold weight on this case. Xbone already offers you options by shipping with both a Kinect 2 and a traditional controller. Asking for a Xbone bundle without the Kinect 2 and just a traditional controller would be like asking for a Wii bundle without the Wiimote and just the classic controller. You defeat the whole point of the console and undermine development efforts to make use of the unique tech. This isn't about just getting Kinect Sports to exist, it's about paving the way for uses of Kinect in most Xbone ganes. You can't achieve that by making it a peripheral. It's common freaking sense.
Honestly, I think this issue had less to do with privacy and more with the sheer hatred motion gaming is getting from hardcores because of Kinect 1 (a peripheral, non-obligatory accessory, that anyone with the minimal amount of common sense can tell why it didn't great great AAA games. Developers didn't feel obliged to develop AAA games shaped around a optional peripheral).
I do like to think that, with Kinect 2 bundled with every console, the Xbone will get his own share of great games making use of Kinect. Just like Wii got his own share of great games making great use of the Wiimote.
Intercepting data that's travelling over the internet or accessing data stored on servers (ie, PRISM) is one thing. Giving a third party access to Kinect to make sure "your home is monitored" is a whole different ball game.
BruiserBear
Banned
The Wiimote was so revolutionary that Nintendo basically pretends it doesn't exist anymore. Same goes for Sony and the Move controller.
The only difference between what happened with the Wiimote and the first Kinect is Microsoft has realized they're are other ways to make money with Kinect 2. This has nothing to do with Kinect 2 being amazing for games. If that was the case we'd have already seen it, as the Kinect has been around for years now and it amounted to jack shit. Even Microsoft themselves, the people who want this thing to succeed more than anyone else, couldn't create a single killer app for the device.
If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I have no plans to buy an Xbox One with Kinect. I do not believe in Kinect nor the supposed value it brings to both games and entertainment, and believe $499 is too great a price for what amounts to a game's machine with its own digital Eye of Sauron.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Seriously? It's called a figure of speech.
SwiftDeath
Member
How is the Kinect "the whole point of the console" when not even Microsoft is supporting it with games?
it really sounds like you want the console...*sarcasm* Why do you need to "flail your arms" to play on Xbox One?
Microsoft is strongly encouraging devs to move features to Kinect. But if they also have to make the game fully playable without Kinect, then you run into the same situation as we have now with optional Kinect. So why force it? If nobody is going to require Kinect unless the game was built for it, it eliminates the entire argument that developers will do special things with it knowing that everyone has it.
I have been saying this; MS is opening themselves up to criticism by doing this but I think we will some some innovative games/apps that Sony just can't do.
Brickhunt said:
Exactly.
statham
Member
some guy on reddit said he went to a Microsoft show and they told him the Kinect doesn't have to be plugged in.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1izzbc/my_experience_playing_the_xbox_one/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1izzbc/my_experience_playing_the_xbox_one/
BruiserBear
Banned
Completely meaningless unless we hear it officially. Microsoft has been adamant it has to be plugged in. Any change in this policy would be announced publicly.
I bought the Kinect soon after it came out. I was never drinking the kool-aid on it, but I thought it looked kinda fun. It was, and I had some fun with Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sports, Fruit Ninja, and a couple other downloadable games.
So I am not a Kinect hater at all. However, I still do not understand the optimism some people have for it, even though it's been years and we've seen basically nothing new from the Kinect since it's launch. Nothing really innovative that is going to make anyone with a PS4 jealous they can't play it.
So what you're saying is that once these games come out, they will never remove Kinect from the box because any games that require Kinect will not be playable down the road if they remove it later?
This I'm in agreement with. If they half ass it and make all those same games playable without Kinect though, it will tell me all I need to know about why they forced Kinect into the box. Hint-not for gaming.
So it remains to be seen. If Kinect's features are optional in every traditional game, then it didn't need to be required at all as it becomes just as used as Kinect is now as an option.
SwiftDeath
Member
I would love for this to be clarified tbh
Will any major 1st party games require kinect usage to play?
Will I not be able to play Halo 5 without using a kinect?
It begins.
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