idrinkalone
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Agree. They aren't marketing it as a powerful gaming console. They are marketing this as a media console that will still have amazing games. Well amazing games if you like their exclusives.
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We have no plans to introduce an Xbox One without Kinect - MS
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Agree. They aren't marketing it as a powerful gaming console. They are marketing this as a media console that will still have amazing games. Well amazing games if you like their exclusives.
One question, how do you expect to do that with kinect? Sounds like something the PS4 touchpad might actually do better than a joystick.
If Microsoft wants them to be, then they need to grow some balls and make them required. By making every single thing about the Kinect optional, they've made it no different than Kinect 1 except this time you have to have it connected to make your XBO work. And they're going to lose a ton of marketshare trying to make you buy something that they've made completely optional to use.
I'm confused about the snapping as a convenience, but I wanted to ask, what are the languages that can be detected in the game and kinect? What about people who speaks broken english or with heavy accent? I understand gestures but commands might make it irritating if kinect can't recoginze what you're saying or you speak a foreign language that isn't support so, doesn't that narrow it down? I've been searching but other than sign language detection (awesome), how many languages will kinect detect including broken languages?
Or what if you have a party at your place and you want to do all the entertainments but kinect keeps recognizing different commands? lol
SEGAvangelist
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I can't imagine it'll be convenient for either. Wii does this best.
Garrett 2U
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Select a group of units, say "Assign group one". When you want to call them, "Call group one". Something like that haha.
I think you could probably use the PS4 touch pad to assign and swipe through groups of troops, yes.
idrinkalone
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I can answer from my point of view for the first question. Snapping for me will be great wanting to check scores, check fantasy updates, skype my friends from around the country. As for the second question.... Well that is a great question and I would like to know as well.
Garrett 2U
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I don't know what languages the Kinect can detect, sorry
I imagine using the voice commands would be frustrating if you have an accent or speak a language that isn't very well recognized.
I think that is something that would definitely have added support through time though, for popular regions at least.
I know some games that used microphones for voice commands had a button you would press to mute the voice chat and signal that you were speaking a command to be understood by the game.
And for snapping convenience, imagine like...
"Xbox save the last 2 minutes of gameplay" and then you can go back and edit/share that moment, versus opening the application and then scanning back in time and cropping the segment you want.
Or "Xbox snap youtube" "Search for guide to [game level]" and then instantly streaming a video guide to the level you're having trouble completing.
Sure you could do that with a controller, but you'd have to scroll through a list of applications, then type in what you're searching for.
In the end it would be easier to just open your phone or your laptop and search for it, even though it isn't as convenient as having it snapped to the same screen as your game.
I see, maybe I should look at videos on the snapping features. I'm surprised I haven't been able to find the answers because I posted in a few forums on other sites with no answers. I hope GAF! can shed some lights.
I don't know what languages the Kinect can detect, sorry
I imagine using the voice commands would be frustrating if you have an accent or speak a language that isn't very well recognized.
I think that is something that would definitely have added support through time though, for popular regions at least.
I know some games that used microphones for voice commands had a button you would press to mute the voice chat and signal that you were speaking a command to be understood by the game.
That would be bad for many people, who can't use these features based on accents/ language,but I"m hopeful because I'm worried when my grandparents would use my xbox to watch tv/netflix and etc. My last question is, can you navigate normally without the kinect with just the controller and gestures? The voice commands are optional/convenience right? Thanks in advance!
Well, he did at one point.
Garrett 2U
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Well sometimes you might not be in view of your Kinect for gestures, but have your controller.
Or the controller could be useful to someone with a accent or language that isn't recognized by the voice software in Kinect yet.
Or if you simply just don't want to talk or have to be quiet.
It is better to have some type of support for someone who can't use gestures and/or voice than not having any support when you could.
ooooooh okay, that clears it up abit. So voice recognition can be turned off while you use it normally with a controller?
Garrett 2U
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I believe Microsoft said you can disable Kinect features within the Xbox preferences, however they do require the Kinect to be connected to the Xbox.
I do like to wait for more announcements before actually affirm that M$ isn't supporting it. Specially since M$ set up an entire division to deal with Kinect games.
My comparation was with the Wii, not the Wii U. But since you touched on it, the GamePad is basically traditional controller with a touch-screen for some convenient features. It is nowhere even close to revolution that the Wiimote was. Besides, even Nintendo isn't even bothering to use the GamePad unique features yet. I do still think Nintendo made a horrible mistake by abandoning the Wiimote for the GamePad, and they are paying the price for it.
By the way, I too think that, at this point, removing the GamePad from the Wii U and replacing it for a cheaper Pro controller is an incredible retarded idea of the highest magnitude. What is done is already done, and try to step back will make things far more worse.
SwiftDeath
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Personally I think your arguing semantics a bit
I doubt that anyone would argue that the Wii was fairly revolutionary and a new idea
But it seems to me that you're saying the comparison doesn't work with the Wii U because it was a bad idea
The whole argument through this thread has basically been whether or not the kinect is a bad idea hence it seems fairly relevant to discussion
You say "It [Gamepad] is nowhere even close to revolution that the Wiimote was"
I would argue that kinect 2.0 is the same, not nearly the revolution that the kinect was as it is merely an improvement on the original concept
Gamepad is more revolutionary imo as it's well actually revolutionary not simply evolutionary
The good news I guess is that the whole value proposition of the kinect should be sussed out in the first year or so and then I can decide whether or not it's worth it to me to get an X1
Edit: I mean that the Wii was revolutionary and few argue it wasn't if I wasn't clear
Fornaximus
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The mandatory Kinect has always been the biggest dealbreaker for me with the XB1. Not so much that it comes with it, but that it's required to be plugged in for the console to function. I want to leave it in the box and never look at it again, hopefully forgetting where I put it.
Wait this is now your go to defense is that maybe someone wants to use Xbox that cannot make gestures or is not in range? Fucking seriously?
ebullientprism
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Ditto. In my case, I have nothing against Kinect itself but but the fact that I have to pay for something I have absolutely no desire for is a dealbreaker.
A kinectless X1 with a smaller HDD for 349$ is a day 1 buy. Ah well, your loss MS.
Garrett 2U
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Yes, why would they require you to only use Kinect if you also have a controller?
That would be inconvenient in some situations.
The whole point of Kinect 2.0 is not to replace the controller, but to augment its shortcomings.
Just as the controller augments Kinect's shortcomings.
Dark Rider
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dat kinect ad-revenue (and maybe the promise of a new toy to fiddle with they already made to NSA).
Warm Machine
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My guess, they are pretty much sold out of available preorders, all of which come with Kinect. They probably only took enough preorders as they could guarantee manufacturing. After the dust settles of November, December, and January they will look at sales figures and user data and then go ahead one way or another.
I'm fully expecting PS4 and Xbox One are going to end up with sold out sales over the holidays. The winner will be determined by who can out manufacture who.
When March rolls around and MS is feeling a little behind they will likely throw down a $350 Kinectless One.
I'm fully expecting PS4 and Xbox One are going to end up with sold out sales over the holidays. The winner will be determined by who can out manufacture who.
When March rolls around and MS is feeling a little behind they will likely throw down a $350 Kinectless One.
SwiftDeath
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Yep agree wtih this in full
Both will sell out, whoever can make more wins intial install base
From what I've heard I think it's far more likely that the PS4 will be more produced
BruiserBear
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I'll be very surprised if both consoles are hard to find after a month or two. Back in 2006 when the PS3 launched at $500 it was easy to find a month after launch, and that was at a time when the console market was on fire.
Man I know early adopters usually get screwed on electronics purchases, but if they do this, XBO early adopters will feel quite burned by MS I suspect.
S0cc3rpunk
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i wish the xbone cost less, then i would get it, but nope. ps4 and wiiu for me.
SymbolicGamer
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It's common sense. I could have told you that back in May. These rumors are ridiculous. It would be like Nintendo not including the tablet with a Wii U.
Unlike the original Kinect which was post launch peripheral, the Xbox One Kinect is an integral part of the Xbox One experience. You can disable certain features, but games are being developed under the assumption that everyone has a Kinect.
Warm Machine
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It would be the fault of the manufacturing they have probably just started. August, September, October, gives them 3 months to crank out around 500k machines or more. I can't imagine them stopping prior to January to change up what is being put in a box. Also if Kinect is currently a must for the machine I wouldn't ship any software patch that disconnects it going live prior to the end of the year. Last thing you want to do is brick peoples machines during the holidays.
XBO early adopters get Kinect which isn't terrible. I doubt prices will for either stock machine will drop in 2014.
As far as shortages go, I'm actually expecting machines to be hard to find mostly because the tech is new and I don't think they are going to be able to run enough machines out of manufacturing to meet demand of the regular person on the street who hasn't preordered.
If any non-Kinect centered game ever comes with required Kinect features, then MS can never remove Kinect from the XBO package without rendering those games unplayable. So what you are saying is that Kinect features in games will not be optional and therefore MS can never ever remove Kinect from their bundle. Is this correct?
Because other XBO defenders are contradicting you in this thread.
SymbolicGamer
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You can disable many of Kinect's features yourself (even "pausing" or shutting it off) , but Kinect is an integral part of the system, and to my knowledge is still required for the Xbox One to function. This means developers will be making games under the assumption that everyone has a Kinect. It doesn't mean that every game will utilize it.
Making a Kinect-less Xbox One would go against everything they're trying to do.
That does not answer my question though. Will games that have Kinect features still function if you decide in your XBO settings to turn off Kinect features?
If the answer is yes, then Kinect is now an optional accessory but is a mandatory purchase.
If the answer is no, then that's fine but that also means they can never release a Kinect-less SKU as that would render older games unplayable.
Except it's not convenient and it's not all in one. Quite the contrary. Kinect, DVR Box, the console itself and an XO controller, when most TV's and DVR boxes already have most of that functionality built in, only without the voice commands and gestures.
Personally I would still prefer using a TV remote or controller over using voice commands and gestures. So for my tastes it is not a convenience. Probably be the same for many people out there I'd imagine. Especially given the speeds the UI with respect to the DVR features currently runs on the XO (admittedly early stages). I don't expect the XO's DVR features to ever run as quick as Microsoft showed at the reveal, because the XO is going to be partly reliant on the secondary hardware of the DVR to function or at least receive the relevant information. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
SymbolicGamer
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It's not an optional accessory. Kinect for Xbox One is required for the console to operate, regardless of your Kinect preferences.
Microsoft isn't just going to drop Kinect. They've invested too much into it.
Hypothetically, if they made a revised Xbox One that could be played without Kinect (or flipped a switch), then I would assume some games would require Kinect, and some games wouldn't depending on how the game uses Kinect. Just like how it is today with 360 games.
Whether you agree with the Microsoft position on this or not, this is obvious news. They do not want a separate section for Kinect only games and other games like we had last gen.
MS is telling every developer that it is standard, and Kinect features will be available to them and every XBOX One consumer will be able to use them.
Now if the XBOX One completely bombs, then maybe a year or two down the road they will change positions. But Kinect is such a big part of what they are trying to do, that they cannot afford to split the userbase and the development of their games into two separate categories.
Kinect is what differentiates them, and it is how they will try and justify their pricepoint, and it is what is going to make them or break them in the end. This is not something you can bitch about and it is going to go away like some of their past policies.
MS is telling every developer that it is standard, and Kinect features will be available to them and every XBOX One consumer will be able to use them.
Now if the XBOX One completely bombs, then maybe a year or two down the road they will change positions. But Kinect is such a big part of what they are trying to do, that they cannot afford to split the userbase and the development of their games into two separate categories.
Kinect is what differentiates them, and it is how they will try and justify their pricepoint, and it is what is going to make them or break them in the end. This is not something you can bitch about and it is going to go away like some of their past policies.
GoofsterStud
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Like delaying a Kinect Party launch title.
Yet you can put it in hibernation cause it's so mandatory.
I'm all for any device that could make inventory management easier in my next Bethesda game. Id love to be able to just say "heal" or just say the name of the sword I want to pull out, instead of pausing and scrolling through 50 potions and weapons every few seconds in a tough encounter.
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Caayn
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Yeah because no way that there would be more negativity towards Microsoft if Kinect Sports Rivals were to be bad due to time constraints. Microsoft has chosen to improve Kinect Sports Rivals in order to create a better game experience.
If Microsoft releases or allows Xbox ONEs without kinect. It will be like the Xbox 360 all over again. But this time it isn't about a hard drive it's about Kinect. Microsoft is making the smart choice here to go with one setup that each and every Xbox ONE out there will have. Making it easier for developers.
...You can't be serious, right?
Quadraphonic
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He's a troll.
This is quite the bump but of course he's not serious. He's making fun of "Kinect is spying" people.
SEGAvangelist
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Of course not. It was a joke. Lots of responses to it not being a clever joke as well.
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