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[Dunki]

yeah, disproportionately criminalizing black people for the same crimes that whites commit even more of like drug use will create more black criminals so it's hard to take "there are more black criminals, therefore we target blacks more" as a honest excuse of systematic racism.

The american criminal justice system targeted black people more since inception, even more so since the 1970s and the "war on drugs"

you ever think, if the "justice system" would be fair, black americans would probably just be happy living our lives? but that wouldn't feed into your "victimhood" narrative

I never said it is fair or that it should be like it. I said these cases if rightfully or not go into these statistics. And then I explained what statitics and media can do to your mind and prejudices regarding people. I even said its shitty that I also think like that sometimes.
Police brutality regarding black people is a serious issue and needs to be addressed. And for that I also mentioned the statistic part as one of the reason. Just saying its systematic racism is pretty lazy in my opinion since there is never only one reason for complicated issues like this.

And again I never said that I compare these cases and issues as a victimhood mentality. IF you want one regarding BLM or black people I would argue with the Toronto Parade incident you may or may not heard of.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

I voted for Trump.

I support gay marriage and legalizing marijuana.

I hate identity politics.

I am for much stricter immigration controls(E-Verify, eliminating chain migration and the H-1 visa etc), although not necessarily a wall.

I would support universal health care if it's guaranteed that only people who pay into the system benefit from it. (ie illegals who pay no federal taxes should not get it)

BTW I'm not white and an immigrant myself.

Nothing worse than immigrants who have taken on the "America is mine" mentality and want to do away with certain VISAs.

What is it with you people? Did you immigrate directly to a white trash hell-hole that convinced you keeping other people out of the U.S. now that you're here is normal?

Fuckin' a.

"Not necessarily a wall." Here's a general rule: if you don't think the border wall is an IDIOTIC fucking idea, across the board, because that's what all the evidence tells us, you're an idiot yourself.

 

[ASAP]

Let’s also not forget that the enforcing arm of the judicial system in the USA has deep seed roots in the “runaway slave patrol”

The modern police departments in America stem from that history.

 

[Night Angel]

What stats?

My only point was that just because someone put it in a book doesn't mean Jack or shit.

But this is completely worthless. You can't use that statement to refute a point from a book, you need evidence that refutes it.

I couldn't say "not everything typed online is true" to refute a scientific study, could I?

What's the point of making such a post?


Oh God your later post about "just leave if you don't like it" fucking hell. You are either incredibly stupid or a troll if you are posting that kind of shit.

 

[Rayis]

Honest answer: Everywhere. I have a subscription to the New York Times and the Wall St Journal. I have a desk job and browse through the news on Bing.com every day and that pulls from everywhere including an overly-heavy amount of the brain dead Huffington Post.

Honest answer: Fox News is the channel I watch the least but occasionally they'll run a real story that's too inconvenient to the left-wing political agenda for the CNN's of the world to report on and that I appreciate.

I'm really interested in the real stories that are too inconvenient for the left that Fox News publishes, mind sharing one?

 

[Elegant Weapon]

I never said it is fair or that it should be like it. I said these cases if rightfully or not go into these statistics. And then I explained what statitics and media can do to your mind and prejudices regarding people. I even said its shitty that I also think like that sometimes.
Police brutality regarding black people is a serious issue and needs to be addressed. And for that I also mentioned the statistic part as one of the reason. Just saying its systematic racism is pretty lazy in my opinion since there is never only one reason for complicated issues like this.

And again I never said that I compare these cases and issues as a victimhood mentality. IF you want one regarding BLM or black people I would argue with the Toronto Parade incident you may or may not heard of.

You did say that such issues need to be addressed but then you go back to your worthless victimhood narrative which you already acknowledged has nothing to do with these actual issues that I'm talking about.

To be sure, since you're not engaging the discussion I'm having and aren't american or knowledgeable about the issues facing american citizens of color or have any reputable sources that refute institutional racism as a actual hinderance to black americans, you can stop derailing the conversation I'm having now

 

[Dunki]

Nothing worse than immigrants who have taken on the "America is mine" mentality and want to do away with certain VISAs.

What is it with you people? Did you immigrate directly to a white trash hell-hole that convinced you keeping other people out of the U.S. now that you're here is normal?

Fuckin' a.

"Not necessarily a wall." Here's a general rule: if you don't think the border wall is an IDIOTIC fucking idea, across the board, because that's what all the evidence tells us, you're an idiot yourself.

So you are for open for everyone? I really want to see how this would even work. How will you fiance it? How will you deal with people not finding places to live? People living on the streets therefore will cause more crime etc. How will you deal with the language differences? What about integration? What about jobs etc? What about the legal issues like paying taxes getting registered getting passports etc?

Yes building a wall is stupid closing the border is not. There is a reason why Canada also are closing their borders right now. Canada has fantastic immigration and integration laws but doing it their way they can only deal with a small amount of people each year. They chose the people they want to live in their country for a reason.

You did say that such issues need to be addressed but then you go back to your worthless victimhood narrative which you already acknowledged has nothing to do with these actual issues that I'm talking about.

Just shouting systematic racism is not helping at all you need to analyze the reasons for it and the reason is not white people or cops are evil. As I said before prejudices and stigmatization also play a big role here. It is way more complicated than racism.

But sure since you do not want to have a discussion we can also end this since its also pretty late here.

Good night.

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

I'm really interested in the real stories that are too inconvenient for the left that Fox News publishes, mind sharing one?

News like this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyI8nKAFfZY

Or this:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...grant-who-killed-husband-2-kids-in-crash.html

 

[Elegant Weapon]

So you are for open for everyone? I really want to see how this would even work. How will you fiance it? How will you deal with people not finding places to live? People living on the streets therefore will cause more crime etc. How will you deal with the language differences? What about integration? What about jobs etc? What about the legal issues like paying taxes getting registered getting passports etc?

Yes building a wall is stupid closing the border is not. There is a reason why Canada also are closing their borders right now. Canada has fantastic immigration and integration laws but doing it their way they can only deal with a small amount of people each year. They chose the people they want to live in their country for a reason.




Just shouting systematic racism is not helping at all you need to analyze the reasons for it and the reason is not white people or cops are evil. As I said before prejudices and stigmatization also play a big role here. It is way more complicated than racism.

Did I ever say "white people or cops are evil" is the reasons for systematic racism?

No, I didn't. In fact, the conversation came from a poster asserting that "hatred" from black americans are the real hinderance and not these researched and well documented issues of systematic racism.

yet you, having little knowledge on the subject and admitting it's not your place, claim that it's more complicated than racism?

would you like to post a reasonable source that details that systematic racism is more than just racism? really, what are you even saying besides trying to refute me with unsourced opinions and change the conversation?

seriously, my point was about actual hinderances to black americans, not reasons for systematic racism. That's not the conversation I'm having, for some reason you keep trying to misinterpret my point

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

I'm just curious, if you are rich like Jay-Z and Beyonce, should you have the right to pass your wealth down to your kids?

Curious what our left-thinkers think about inheritance.

 

[LatvjuAvs]

Anarchy, no large governing body.
Tribe based structures where group of people decide everything for themselves.
Each group can strive to live for values they deem acceptable and find a way to co-operate or destroy to survive.
I do not believe in equality for everyone or equal opportunity for everyone.
Sick and weak are thorn for the strong.
You have to give value for rest of your group or there is no point of having you.

So far I see every governing body in all of the countries as criminals. Few exceptions, they are dead now.

 

[Rayis]

News like this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyI8nKAFfZY

Or this:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...grant-who-killed-husband-2-kids-in-crash.html

Interesting, though if I have to be honest, I don't see what's inconvenient about either of those stories unless you have a particular understanding about the views on the left

The first one is awful, and those people should have helped that woman and have her attacker arrested, but the racial implications I'm getting from the YouTube commenters do worry me.

The second one, I fail to see the inconvenience, and there are a lot of missing pieces to the story.
I'm not familiar with the law in Texas but is a 2-year sentence for negligent driving resulting in a fatal accident standard? He's also serving the 2-year sentence for re-entering the country illegally making it 4 years total in jail?

I assume after he's done serving the sentence he'll probably get deported. What happened to the woman's family is awful but as far as I know, if the sentence the driver is getting is standard practice I fail to see the inconvenience, I know she's in pain but we have never prosecuted people based on an individual's feelings of retribution.

 

[Blood Borne]

its because you don't earn those fruits in a vacuum

Please elaborate, because you sound like Marx.

 

[Blood Borne]

That's because what you stated isn't meant to help understanding, it's meant to make you 'feel' a certain way about things. It's framing, or propaganda.

How do you feel about the wealth gap? That was a trick question. Do you understand that 1% of the population owns more than half of the world's wealth?

Seriously, elaborate on what you mean by wealth gap. I mean, there's a wealth gap between me and my Dad, and I don't see that as some sort of injustice. Or the wealth gap between me and my manager, or the wealth gap between me and Bill Gates. I see nothing wrong with that. So seriously, kindly please explain why wealth gap is evil or some sort of injustice.

 

[Blood Borne]

I have a victimhood mentality because I actually know what I'm talking about and you clearly don't?

All those verified and actual issues I listed are real. Much more real than "angry black people are why" blah blah blah

Those are real social economic conditions. Fucking read a book

Ok then, allow me to.indulge you. What policy are you proposing? What are your list of demands? Say you become the President tomorrow, what law will you change, what legislation will you pass? Serious question.

 

[Dude Abides]

Please elaborate, because you sound like Marx.

Yeah chapter 2 of Kapital is all about progressive taxation.

 

[PabloBolivar]

I'm just curious, if you are rich like Jay-Z and Beyonce, should you have the right to pass your wealth down to your kids?

Curious what our left-thinkers think about inheritance.

You have to wonder what that $1.2 Billion in wealth would be if they weren't both oppressed. Seriously though, it would be a nice gesture for them to donate it all to the people of rural Appalachia, the poorest area of the country. But, I'm not a lefty so I'm not into forcibly seizing earned wealth away from the remaining family at a time of death.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Seriously, elaborate on what you mean by wealth gap. I mean, there's a wealth gap between me and my Dad, and I don't see that as some sort of injustice. Or the wealth gap between me and my manager, or the wealth gap between me and Bill Gates. I see nothing wrong with that. So seriously, kindly please explain why wealth gap is evil or some sort of injustice.

You're going to want to know what the wealth gap is if you're engaging in these kinds of discussions. You didn't google it?

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

MLK and Bernie Sanders are two of my favorite public figures so I guess I'm moving towards Democratic Socialism.

 

[otake]

Trump and the current congress force people into political groups they would never be associated with otherwise.

Take this Tax plan. It's a tax cut for states with no income tax. It take a way the property tax deductions as well. It's a tax hike for all the states with income tax.

Republicans are the small and local goverment party. You would think this would mean protecting said deductions.....

So it's weird. It almost looks like an Obama era tax plan. with the increase in standard deduction and all....

If you are a decent human being, it's hard to like Trump. But then do you go an join the democratic socialists????

Strange political times...

 

[Dude Abides]

It’s important to repeal the Estate Tax so we can reestablish the notion of inherited caste in the west. Can’t believe we let the landed gentry wither so.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Anarchy, no large governing body.
Tribe based structures where group of people decide everything for themselves.
Each group can strive to live for values they deem acceptable and find a way to co-operate or destroy to survive.
I do not believe in equality for everyone or equal opportunity for everyone.
Sick and weak are thorn for the strong.
You have to give value for rest of your group or there is no point of having you.

So far I see every governing body in all of the countries as criminals. Few exceptions, they are dead now.

So you either like Makoto Shishio or watch too much Walking Dead.

 

[Basketball]

makes sense

 

[sans_pants]

Just shouting systematic racism is not helping at all you need to analyze the reasons for it and the reason is not white people or cops are evil. As I said before prejudices and stigmatization also play a big role here. It is way more complicated than racism.

But sure since you do not want to have a discussion we can also end this since its also pretty late here.

Good night.

what is this even? hes telling you about how the justice system disadvantages black americans, and you are saying "well they get arrested a lot so the statistics show that black people are scary"

the stats make them look scary because of racism. Which feeds more racism. That's kinda what it's all about

Anarchy, no large governing body.
Tribe based structures where group of people decide everything for themselves.
Each group can strive to live for values they deem acceptable and find a way to co-operate or destroy to survive.
I do not believe in equality for everyone or equal opportunity for everyone.
Sick and weak are thorn for the strong.
You have to give value for rest of your group or there is no point of having you.

So far I see every governing body in all of the countries as criminals. Few exceptions, they are dead now.

the tribe of new york city should work pretty well together

I'm just curious, if you are rich like Jay-Z and Beyonce, should you have the right to pass your wealth down to your kids?

Curious what our left-thinkers think about inheritance.

should be taxed, bigly when it's over a certain amount

Please elaborate, because you sound like Marx.

which part confuses you?

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

should be taxed, bigly when it's over a certain amount

How bigly?

Should she lose her status as "rich"? She didn't earn that money.

 

[sans_pants]

How bigly?

Should she lose her status as "rich"? She didn't earn that money.

im not a tax wonk but probably 50-75% over 10-15 million

 

[Vicetrailia]

How bigly?

Should she lose her status as "rich"? She didn't earn that money.

Even Oprah Winfrey with one of the most impressive bootstrap backgrounds ever didn't earn it in a vacuum. But you wouldn't catch her saying otherwise.

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

im not a tax wonk but probably 50-75% over 10-15 million

So she would maintain her status though?

 

[sans_pants]

So she would maintain her status though?

sure

 

[pramod]

Nothing worse than immigrants who have taken on the "America is mine" mentality and want to do away with certain VISAs.

What is it with you people? Did you immigrate directly to a white trash hell-hole that convinced you keeping other people out of the U.S. now that you're here is normal?

Fuckin' a.

"Not necessarily a wall." Here's a general rule: if you don't think the border wall is an IDIOTIC fucking idea, across the board, because that's what all the evidence tells us, you're an idiot yourself.

Sorry I was a bit hasty and didn't check what I wrote. I don't want to completely eliminate the H-1, but I do feel it needs to be drastically updated and enforced. As it is right now it's not much more than allowing greedy high tech companies to hire engineers at much lower wages than citizens. It's almost like slave labor.

Yes I agree a wall will not completely keep people out, but surely we can agree on that having a wall makes it harder for people to get in vs not having a wall at all? It just seems like simple logic to me.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Who was it during the campaign who was trying to explain the stupid wall wouldn't be a real wall but a 'symbolic' wall, a bunch of ideas they came up with to prevent illegal crossing of the border that they referred to as a 'wall', because they couldn't get anyone with any credibility to say the stupid wall was anything but stupid. That was the best

 

[Blood Borne]

which part confuses you?

You're going to want to know what the wealth gap is if you're engaging in these kinds of discussions. You didn't google it?

Nice cop out

 

[Chibot]

I'm quite liberal but also trying my best to be a good skeptic. I'm not drinking anyone's kool-aid.

 

[RiccochetJ]

You'll have to expand on it -- I've never heard of such a unique political stance!

Looking at your tag, it appears you're new to this place.

Me saying this previously would result in me having to sift through a lot of stuff.

I'm happy that you can respond with such snark nowadays where I'll notice it.

 

[gohepcat]

I'm just curious, if you are rich like Jay-Z and Beyonce, should you have the right to pass your wealth down to your kids?

Curious what our left-thinkers think about inheritance.

There is nothing… Absolutely nothing… I hate more than libertarian pseudo intellectual garbage.

The estate tax needs to fucking stay. There is an absolute disastrous near future if you keep pouring more and more and more and more money into an elite class and pulling more and more and more out of public programs fosterng upward mobility. Progressive tax rates aren’t some fucking illogical bleeding heart liberal scheme. They are in place so countries don’t devolve into chaos like history has shown us happens again and again when wealth disparity gets as large as it’s getting.

I have nearly tripled my money via investments over the last eight years. The chasm between my wealth in the people who were not fortunate enough to have money during the economic down turn has widened so much that you can’t even see people on the other side anymore.

So to answer your incredibly loaded question. Of course I think black people should be able to pass their massive wealth to their children, and I also think a nice chunk of that gets to be recycled back into the infrastructure that humanity has forged after 100,000 years of jungle law.

 

[Lord Thrappleper The 49th]

Borders are irrelevant in my eyes so the whole immigration argument is moot.

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

sure

So she'll maintain the privilege that comes with that and you're ok with that?

Privilege like robbing a high-end foreign store and getting the totally "racist" President to bail her out by by begging a foreign rival?

 

[appaws]

Funny on that online test I ended up pretty much dead center, even though I think of myself as some sort of radical libertarian.

Maybe it is not that easy to just slap a tag on a worldview. Or maybe I'm just an idiot.

 

[anarckitty]

The last political type test I took it said I was a left-leaning centrist.

Most of the time I feel like a political martian though.

Both sides of the extreme gross me out.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Nice cop out

You could learn something, would that be so bad?

 

[PabloBolivar]

Borders are irrelevant in my eyes so the whole immigration argument is moot.

200-200 vision

 

[RefigeKru]

So she'll maintain the privilege that comes with that and you're ok with that?

Privilege like robbing a high-end foreign store and getting the totally "racist" President to bail her out by by begging a foreign rival?

I don't follow Beyonce at all so can someone fill me in here

 

[Lionel Richie]

Well alright!

 

[sans_pants]

So she'll maintain the privilege that comes with that and you're ok with that?

Privilege like robbing a high-end foreign store and getting the totally "racist" President to bail her out by by begging a foreign rival?

See guys, trump isn't a racist. He got some BLACK kids out of foreign jail

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

removed

 

[sans_pants]

Yes let your hate flow

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

White persecution complex is like the rich kid at their birthday party yelling at their mom because they got an android phone as a gift instead of an iphone.

 

[Bigby_Wolf]

Yes let your hate flow

It's not hate.

It's just an inconvenient truth that you always try to deflect as hatred so you don't have to think about it.

It's a truth you can't handle.

 

[Lord Thrappleper The 49th]

200-200 vision

Wow. Good comment. Very insightful. I question my world beliefs now.

It's not hate.

It's just an inconvenient truth that you always try to deflect as hatred so you don't have to think about it.

It's a truth you can't handle.

Well why do you think black people were in chains to begin with?
Their culture was as advanced as the west at one point. But generations of warfare, plunder, and exterminations tend to knock people back a while.

I'm not attacking you. I just want to explore your mindset a little.

 

[appaws]

Why do you continue to demonize white people?

Did you all want to live like this forever:

Spoiler

Rather than this:

Spoiler

Being brutally honest here, how many centuries or millennia forward did white people bring black people?

God bless Harriet Tubman but there is no underground railroad without white people. Hell, black people would still be in chains if not for hundreds of thousands of white people fighting and dying in the Civil War but I never hear that being praised.

I've never heard the words "thank you" from black activists when referring to white people. Literally never. Just constant demonizing.

Dude, its not that you are wrong about everything, but even as a big right-winger I think your position is a little bit overwrought.

Yes, Africa gained modernity, but at what cost? I think no matter how you slice it, Africans and African Americans paid a steep price for that modernity, too steep. Hundreds of years of colonialism and exploitation as slaves cannot be excused on that premise. It is inhuman and completely impossible to justify, especially for nations that called themselves "Christian."

Of course there are white people who did a lot to end slavery and fight for civil rights. I don't think anybody denies that, at least I've never heard it.

Maybe there are some extreme anti-white racists who hold these positions but they are just as stupid and beneath notice as the goofballs, LARPers, and killers of Charlottesville.