Sword Familiar
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The best they can do right now is release the Dreamcast 2, finish the Shenmue saga on it and accept a glorious defeat. An honorable death.
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What can Sega do to succeed?
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jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Get back to making consoles.
antisoulless
Banned
Industry is changing. And Sega can't be consistent in their quality. They'll die unless they can fix their QA
Fox Mulder
Member
Make more great decisions like Chu Chu Rocket on mobile only.
Sega is done unless you like mobile games or their PC output. They're never coming back.
Sega is done unless you like mobile games or their PC output. They're never coming back.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Take a risk and make a huge sonic game with a GTAV type budget. Either you do good or you fail dont slow down your eventual death. You still gonna die.
If they can make a couple successful F2P games to bankroll things then that would be a start. They cannot survive solely on their old IP's digitally. Hopefully they can turn things around. I grew up in the 90's and I'm tired of my childhood video game heroes slowly disappearing.
With that said, I am patiently waiting for the next Sega Genesis collection to come out on PS4
With that said, I am patiently waiting for the next Sega Genesis collection to come out on PS4
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"Sonic 3D and Knuckles"=
You mean sonic unleashed
That is what that was supposed to be. The sonic Knuckles and shadow hang out around the world game.
But instead you got there werehog.. and chip.
Chip guys...
chip
Yeah....
KingGiddra
Member
I'm really not sure what to say to the people asking SEGA to localize PSO2. I'll say that I have no real history with the PS franchise, with PSO2 being the first one I've tried.
It was absolutely awful.
It looks like a late PS2/early PS3 game and overall it's pretty janky. The gameplay wasn't anything special and a lot of the systems seemed really clunky. The English patches are actually really great for this game, surprisingly. I'm not sure what anyone is expecting out of PSO2 coming over to the West, but gangbuster sales aren't coming out of it.
It was absolutely awful.
It looks like a late PS2/early PS3 game and overall it's pretty janky. The gameplay wasn't anything special and a lot of the systems seemed really clunky. The English patches are actually really great for this game, surprisingly. I'm not sure what anyone is expecting out of PSO2 coming over to the West, but gangbuster sales aren't coming out of it.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Bring back Space Channel 5
CertifiedFP
Member
Nothing says an honorable death like another console that won't be supported past the launch year!
If we are talking from a purely business sense than the direction SEGA is heading in currently is the best course of action. From the massive $120 mil+ two years ago, to the $17 million profit last year, it does seem the current course of action is turning SEGA around and honestly, I'd stick to it. All the titles they've released this year have been successful, the only hiccup so far this year was Sonic Boom and Phantasy Star Nova. On the mobile front they have a very consistent success rate, Kingdom Conquest, Puyo Quest, Dragon Coins, Chain Chronicle etc have all brought in considerable cash for SEGA.
Now what I would want is for them to establish a b/c tier series that aren't expensive to produce (Under $5 million.) that are released digitally with a view for long term sales, if they are successful and garner an audience than the team should be given a chance with a full budget title.
Focus on trying to get as much of their historical library ported to digital services. There's enough content here from SEGA to establish it's own digital store! Though this should definitely be seen as a revenue stream rather then a case to case of individual success.
Create an engine suitable for multiplatform development. The biggest issue SEGA has had is dividing their fanbase and they really should either unify them under one console brand or make them available to everyone.
The initial deal to get Sonic on a Nintendo console was a great idea as the market demograph was already there, it also helped established a base for most Sonic fans but it's incorrect to say it was the more receptive in terms of sales. Sonic Heroes sold best on the Playstation 2 by around 2 million more units than it's Gamecube counterpart.
We've seen with Sonic Generations and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed that the audience is just as willing to purchase Sonic titles too. A quick glance at the Amazon charts all have the 360/PS3 versions as the best selling in America whilst in the UK Sonic Generations and All-Stars Racing Transformed continues to be in the top 100 thanks to the last gen HD twins.
Mario & Sonic was a massive success for SEGA no doubt but unless the audience is there than there would be little point continuing with that series. SEGA are better of working to strengthen their big brands in Japan and make them accessible to a Western audience, take a leaf out of Namco's book.
So I think the Sonic series should remain multiplatform. Focus on higher quality work (And we've seen SEGA still manage to produce some great titles.) reign in Sonic Team and/or giving the development to some of SEGA's other more respectable development houses and the series should be fine. It was already heading in an upward trajectory until they went off rails for a bit with Lost World.
Now what I would want is for them to establish a b/c tier series that aren't expensive to produce (Under $5 million.) that are released digitally with a view for long term sales, if they are successful and garner an audience than the team should be given a chance with a full budget title.
Focus on trying to get as much of their historical library ported to digital services. There's enough content here from SEGA to establish it's own digital store! Though this should definitely be seen as a revenue stream rather then a case to case of individual success.
Create an engine suitable for multiplatform development. The biggest issue SEGA has had is dividing their fanbase and they really should either unify them under one console brand or make them available to everyone.
The initial deal to get Sonic on a Nintendo console was a great idea as the market demograph was already there, it also helped established a base for most Sonic fans but it's incorrect to say it was the more receptive in terms of sales. Sonic Heroes sold best on the Playstation 2 by around 2 million more units than it's Gamecube counterpart.
We've seen with Sonic Generations and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed that the audience is just as willing to purchase Sonic titles too. A quick glance at the Amazon charts all have the 360/PS3 versions as the best selling in America whilst in the UK Sonic Generations and All-Stars Racing Transformed continues to be in the top 100 thanks to the last gen HD twins.
Mario & Sonic was a massive success for SEGA no doubt but unless the audience is there than there would be little point continuing with that series. SEGA are better of working to strengthen their big brands in Japan and make them accessible to a Western audience, take a leaf out of Namco's book.
So I think the Sonic series should remain multiplatform. Focus on higher quality work (And we've seen SEGA still manage to produce some great titles.) reign in Sonic Team and/or giving the development to some of SEGA's other more respectable development houses and the series should be fine. It was already heading in an upward trajectory until they went off rails for a bit with Lost World.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
At least they'll die trying.
How about changing Sonic's gameplay drastically? That has worked wonderfully so far.
But seriously, porting their games to PC is actually one of the few good moves they have done recently.
Edit: I want Comix Zone 2 by the way. It would be cheap to make and it would sell. You're welcome, Sega.
But seriously, porting their games to PC is actually one of the few good moves they have done recently.
Edit: I want Comix Zone 2 by the way. It would be cheap to make and it would sell. You're welcome, Sega.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
Yeah, especially Valkyria Chronicles. That series needs more exposure/sales. Hopefully they'll attempt to upgrade 2 and 3 and release them on Steam as well, but I doubt it'll happen, especially since 3 needs translation, too.
KojiKnight
Member
Sell all of their IPs they currently can't or won't use to the highest bidder. Use the profits to reinvest in their core franchises and studios. Continue making urinal games as those are obviously what's keeping them afloat.
Jonneh3003
Banned
They have so many franchises they don't use. The 3DS Shinobi was fantastic but it had such a small marketing push and was clearly a budget title.
Diablohead
Member
PSO2 could have come out overseas.
PSO1 mobile port with some premium items, people would play it.
Sonic 3&K by taxman and stealth
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Sonic 1-2-3K modern console release on the new engine
Stop ruining sonic by trying to design him to be the next cartoon network superhero.
Listening to their fans a little more, we are the people feeding sega.
PSO1 mobile port with some premium items, people would play it.
Sonic 3&K by taxman and stealth
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Sonic 1-2-3K modern console release on the new engine
Stop ruining sonic by trying to design him to be the next cartoon network superhero.
Listening to their fans a little more, we are the people feeding sega.
To succeed? Place heavy emphasis on PC games, which have always made them the most money, especially expanding Relic's repertoire to more than just micromanagement strategy games, and ensuring that the next Total War game has way more time in the oven before it releases (or, hey, public beta).
Releasing a lot of the games they already have on PC would be a nice, low-cost way to make some money (hi, Vanquish).
Releasing a lot of the games they already have on PC would be a nice, low-cost way to make some money (hi, Vanquish).
While this is something I'd WANT (so much), it's not something I'd advise.
Still, realistic motion cabinets with VR and updated games like Daytona, Sega Rally, etc. ... Virtual On! That'd be amazing.
Unfortunately, everything I can think of that sees Sega being healthy in the future basically requires them to stop being Sega... that's just how things are today. 
I don't think this is so much a case of the games having no sales potential anywhere else... more that they simply don't on Wii U (especially for PS2 ports). I think both Xbox and PC gamers would be far more receptive to the Yakuza series, simply because unlike Nintendo's general audience the audience for story-driven GTA styled games, is actually likely to have picked up one of these systems in the first place.
Yakuza to Nintendo's crowd is significantly less of a match than Rare on Xbox ever was. It's one of the (many) reasons I don't like the idea of Sega being owned by Nintendo, outside of Sonic Team... far too many of their IPs would be completely screwed by the combination of audience incompatibility, and lower userbase overall.
They made amazing games as they started their journey as a third-party publisher. It's pretty much how they ended up where they are.
Also, if they listened to the fanbase, they'd blow all their money on making a Shenmue with Destiny money behind it, and die on the spot.
You may not like it, but it's far from awful. And although it's very likely missed its slot now... when you look at Nexon offerings like Vindictus, you can see that there really was an opportunity for Sega to have cleaned up with PSO2, as it would have easily have been best in class around the time it hit Japan.
I don't think this is so much a case of the games having no sales potential anywhere else... more that they simply don't on Wii U (especially for PS2 ports). I think both Xbox and PC gamers would be far more receptive to the Yakuza series, simply because unlike Nintendo's general audience the audience for story-driven GTA styled games, is actually likely to have picked up one of these systems in the first place.
Yakuza to Nintendo's crowd is significantly less of a match than Rare on Xbox ever was. It's one of the (many) reasons I don't like the idea of Sega being owned by Nintendo, outside of Sonic Team... far too many of their IPs would be completely screwed by the combination of audience incompatibility, and lower userbase overall.
They made amazing games as they started their journey as a third-party publisher. It's pretty much how they ended up where they are.
Also, if they listened to the fanbase, they'd blow all their money on making a Shenmue with Destiny money behind it, and die on the spot.
You may not like it, but it's far from awful. And although it's very likely missed its slot now... when you look at Nexon offerings like Vindictus, you can see that there really was an opportunity for Sega to have cleaned up with PSO2, as it would have easily have been best in class around the time it hit Japan.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Sell off their IPs to companies who will actually use them, then go fuck off.
otaku-asia
Member
It's very simple: Start making quality games.
To elaborate more and what I said before I think selling out to Nintendo would be of little benefit to a Sega fan as I don't think the companies are as compatible as many people think. I couldn't see Nintendo making a Yakuza or a Virtua Fighter or anything that suits their arcade heritage. Sonic's the only one who might fit with them and even that's not a sure thing as a lot of Nintendo fans don't like Sonic and like to claim he was never good in the first place.
Not that status quo right now makes things outside of Sonic much more possible but its still more of a chance then if the company was absorbed by Nintendo.
Not that status quo right now makes things outside of Sonic much more possible but its still more of a chance then if the company was absorbed by Nintendo.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Yeah, if anything I think they should refocus their efforts on PC-centric titles like their management and total war games.
IronicSonic
Member
Thanks I'll give you this http://youtu.be/xAeBXh25NiQ
Sega Megamix. How hard can it be?
Want some chocolate?
I think that Sega is making the right decisions. The only thing that I want is their JP output in the west, ideally in physical format
Not downsize and focus on mobile games.
I may be crazy but don't massive fast expansions like this usually crash and crash hard? The market has expanded way too quickly and if my horrible knowledge of economic trends is worth anything it means the mobile market is headed for massive contraction.
I may be crazy but don't massive fast expansions like this usually crash and crash hard? The market has expanded way too quickly and if my horrible knowledge of economic trends is worth anything it means the mobile market is headed for massive contraction.
thewhitehawk
Member
They make and publish some quality games. That's not the issue. Sure, some of their poorest releases don't help and cost them money but if they release a good game like say.. Bayonetta or Vanquish and then leave it out to die. It's pretty much a wasted of money and time.
Sega squanders the good games that land on their lap and have unreliable standards when it comes to the software they end up releasing.
Didn't we have this thread a couple of days ago? Sega's biggest issue is their management and the fact that their divisions are up in arms against each other in a destructive manner. Provided they continue to be managed by the same type of people, it's only a matter of time before they dwindle and die.
User 479360
Banned
Realize that Sonic sucks.
*Hides behind cover*
*Hides behind cover*
Diddy Kong
Banned
Selling Sonic, Bayonetta, Monkey Ball, and Jet Set Radio to Nintendo would be a good start.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Become a publisher for all the new indie developers that may need/want additional funding. Their move to mobile seems like the right one looking at recent history from what i've seen and not researched. . Surprised they don't publish more games on the consoles. Maybe they do, but i'm oblivious to them and i don't remember their last game tbh.
SerTapTap
Member
They're focusing on mobile though and inconsistent quality is scarcely a problem there. Brands don't matter much, failures are forgotten in the sea of waste. Perfect for Sega
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Don't make shenmue 3. It'll cost loads, won't sell well, won't satisfy anyone, and the original games are so terrible you couldn't rerelease them.
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