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I use to take some of the negative views that have been said in the thread, though bobloblaw was right about agent smith. The honest truth is I realize many are quick to blame others for problems they should be solving internally. There is a lot of potential in our species but it will continued to be squandered until most societies admit we could use a bit of selflessness in how we treat others. We should get rid of the bullshit behavior of constantly judging others or at least severely lessen it. Most of all lies they need to go period. I love how most in the world hate the deception and dishonesty but accept so much of it they they become desensitized to how damaging it really is.

milkyjay20 your right nature will do a job we should've been doing for years. Simply put the idea people should have more than a couple of kids let alone sickens me. Most parents aren't they have no respect for free will or freedom and gladly use their kids to vicarious smooth what they couldn't accomplish for themselves.

Night_Trekker said:
Who defines what's for "the greater good"? I think you'll find, if you're being honest with yourself and correctly perceiving reality, that there are a wide variety of disagreeing opinions on that.

War is not going anywhere, no matter how many people really want it to disappear. People are as driven by emotion, tribalism, blind ideology and zealotry as they are by rational thought, even intelligent people (and I don't concede that bloodshed would disappear or greatly lessen were we a strictly rational species). This isn't going to change unless the human animal changes fundamentally.

The world is populated by individuals, and our problems are far, far more complicated and multifaceted than you seem to believe. We do not live in a "global village" and we never will. I can care in the abstract about someone on the other side of the planet, but I can't care about them specifically because I don't know anything about them, and I can't care more for a stranger than I do someone I love. I could lie to myself and say I do, but it would be self-deception. Neither can I care too much about or devote myself to the betterment of an abstract, slippery concept like "the greater good".
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Maybe we as a whole should define the greater good and knock out bs concepts the UN is unwilling to defend in the face of actuality. Your right war is not going anywhere but the way to stop it go after the ones making the weapons and selling them. If a spot light was turned on the amount of money the military complex makes from death it might make people think more before going to war for the interest of others well before their own. Don't blame nature for what we are as animals have demonstrated quite a bit they only use violence as a means of survival or mating typically we use it mostly because of free will and bravado posturing.

We do live in a global village last time I checked we are all on the same rock using the same pie of available resources. The only reason we don't think global is for the reasons you mention and I highly suspect anyones motives who believe in sovereign rights at the expense of others suffering. You say all these things and then talk about why such a world will never exist. Ever think about that on a big scale, if everyone thinks like you and takes that point nothing can change it won't change because the individual is the problem not necessarily the collective that amplifies such behaviors.
 
milkyjay20 said:
well that's because the suggestion is hostile in nature, and should be treated in turn. how do you limit population growth? one child policies, forced abortions, forced infertility--and that's just the lighter side of eugenics. either you haven't really thought about the methods to "cull the herd" or you're a psychopath. i rarely get personal with anybody here, but this is sickening, and that it's coming from a fellow zelda fan makes it all the worse.

are there a lot of people on this earth? yes, but who are you and "us" to make any sort of judgement call? it's not up to you, it's up to nature. population reduction is like splitting the atom; a clear affront to the laws of nature. eugenicists have been going on about the too many people thing for more than a hundred years, and we're still alright.
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The suggestion that we limit growth isn't hostile, at least not on my part - I'm just recognizing the simple mathematics of the situation. We simply cannot continue growing infinitely on a planet with finite resources. To refuse to admit to this, I'd wager, is the mark of an insane person. Or one who doesn't understand relatively simple arithmetics .

But no. You're right. In fact, we should fill every goddamn corner of the planet with humans. That's the ticket to a great future, surely.
 
AkuMifune said:
Generally I feel sorry for us. Missed potential. We should be in space, not on couches. In harmony with the environment, not at odds with it. Working towards a common belief system, not a thousand fractured ridiculous fantasies.

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Meh. A century or two ago, we were riding horses, sailing ships for months to cross oceans, and had no idea why people would get sick.
Now, we're listening to our iPods as we're flying through the air and can contact anybody with a touch of the button. Hell, 10 years ago, people had to go to libraries to look things up; now, you can do it from anywhere in seconds.

You take the technology that we have for granted because you're so accustomed to it.
 
I tend to find most humans are selfish. They may try to mask it but at the end of the day they are looking out for their own interests. Who can blame us really?
 
I think with the proper conditioning and education we could be awesome people. The problem is, many parents are terrible and pass down their own flaws onto their children. I think humans are inherently good and altruistic, for example a child in a study who gave a cookie to another child was asked why he did it and his reply was a simple "because he was hungry". While I think we're mostly good, in the wrong environments we can be pretty fucked up.
 
I could go either way.

My question to those who think we're the ultimate evil: why not kill yourselves? I'm being serious about that. That is probably the best way to do your part because being cynical isn't exactly enlightened. Killing yourselves will be more beneficial since more resources will be available.
 
You want population to be sustainable? get people more interested in worthless shit they can buy on TV rather then fuck. Excluding immigration most developed nations are at or below replacement birth rates.

Simply, make everyone's standard of living in the world so high they won't want to have 6 kids in order to support the family. Good luck on that with majority of the world being more poor then the average MEXICAN.
 
I think individually people are generally reasonable and can show their better nature, but it's surprising how quickly that breaks down when people are in large groups and open to manipulation.
 
Obligatory XKCD post:

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I think I'll use the obligatory Tyler Durden pic in this case.

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Thats it to say, we're a plague, pretty much. Though, the plague is nicer.
 
90% of people I've seen are naive and gullible if not downright idiotic. They are controlled and manipulated in whichever way benefits the elites. The slave class.

1% of the worlds population are selfish assholes willing and capable of making life difficult for 95% of the worlds population so they can afford a second yacht.

and the other 9% are mostly made of of people who can take care of themselves just fine without shitting on anyone else. A lot of them are good people who care about the miseries of the 95% but are powerless to do anything about it.
 
Jackl said:
You want population to be sustainable? get people more interested in worthless shit they can buy on TV rather then fuck. Excluding immigration most developed nations are at or below replacement birth rates.

Simply, make everyone's standard of living in the world so high they won't want to have 6 kids in order to support the family. Good luck on that with majority of the world being more poor then the average MEXICAN.
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Damn if that doesn't somewhat ring true.

Along the same theme..

"Not right now, honey - Monday Night Football is on. There are two games tonight!"
 
LCGeek said:
Maybe we as a whole should define the greater good and knock out bs concepts the UN is unwilling to defend in the face of actuality.
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"We as a whole" will not do anything because "we as a whole" do not think or act as one. At best, someone (or a group of people) will make a decision and tell everyone else it's for the good of everyone else.

Your right war is not going anywhere but the way to stop it go after the ones making the weapons and selling them. If a spot light was turned on the amount of money the military complex makes from death it might make people think more before going to war for the interest of others well before their own.
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There is no stopping war. People who make weapons are simply supplying a demand, making a profit off of a natural human phenomenon that existed and thrived long before mass-produced projectile weaponry. Whether or not that's inherently evil is up for debate.

Don't blame nature for what we are as animals have demonstrated quite a bit they only use violence as a means of survival or mating typically we use it mostly because of free will and bravado posturing.
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Our nature, our instincts, certainly do play a very large part in it. So does our free will, you're right. Anyone can control their impulses... but not everyone will. In a world as large as ours, with as many people as there are living in our world, it's nothing short of foolish to believe every single individual will come to respect the needs and rights and feelings of everyone else. They could, but they won't.

Hoping for a future like that is something else entirely. But it isn't going to happen, realistically, and believing that it will changes nothing.

We do live in a global village last time I checked we are all on the same rock using the same pie of available resources.
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"Global village" is a feel-good phrase that doesn't have much real meaning. Just because you can imagine everyone in the world getting along and respecting one another on a village-level of intimacy doesn't mean it's possible.

The only reason we don't think global is for the reasons you mention and I highly suspect anyones motives who believe in sovereign rights at the expense of others suffering. You say all these things and then talk about why such a world will never exist. Ever think about that on a big scale, if everyone thinks like you and takes that point nothing can change it won't change because the individual is the problem not necessarily the collective that amplifies such behaviors.
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I can only affect myself, my own behavior and my own outlook on life (unless I want to attempt to force others to think or behave a certain way, which I don't). I accept that responsibility. You know as well as I do that many people do not see the world that way.
 
I like most people some even more and maybe 1-5% of them I happen to dislike/hate.

Actually I don't hate anybody.
 
people are generally good, and those who aren't are typically just confused, traumatized, or mentally unstable. it's a lot easier to process the world and to deal with people who frustrate you by understanding that they're not to be hated.

typically, they're to be pitied.
 
Night_Trekker said:
"We as a whole" will not do anything because "we as a whole" do not think or act as one. At best, someone (or a group of people) will make a decision and tell everyone else it's for the good of everyone else.
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Very true and most who could know about such groups who have declared such viewpoints do not believe in the existence of their philosophies continuing to this day. It's not a matter of if but when and on what terms does this planet get unified unfortunately I see tyranny doing it not altruistic motives.


Night_Trekker said:
There is no stopping war. People who make weapons are simply supplying a demand, making a profit off of a natural human phenomenon that existed and thrived long before mass-produced projectile weaponry. Whether or not that's inherently evil is up for debate.
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You cannot stop conflict period what you can do is learn to avoid it. Most wars happens because a few manipulate the masses in to doing work they themselves wouldn't do if they were grunts or on the front lines.


Night_Trekker said:
Our nature, our instincts, certainly do play a very large part in it. So does our free will, you're right. Anyone can control their impulses... but not everyone will. In a world as large as ours, with as many people as there are living in our world, it's nothing short of foolish to believe every single individual will come to respect the needs and rights and feelings of everyone else. They could, but they won't.

Hoping for a future like that is something else entirely. But it isn't going to happen, realistically, and believing that it will changes nothing.
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Very true it's not about totality but stacking the odds in your favor or making such choices for those willing to fight a lot worse than compromise. Though this doesn't include certain types who would go fighting but those types are far and few as the recent decades have shown.

Night_Trekker said:
"Global village" is a feel-good phrase that doesn't have much real meaning. Just because you can imagine everyone in the world getting along and respecting one another on a village-level of intimacy doesn't mean it's possible.
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I never said everyone would necessary get along as I defined exactly what I meant by that phrase. Until people wise up and realize our resources are not infinite the struggle will continue for a few groups to hoard materials leaving everyone to get desperate about surviving.

Night_Trekker said:
I can only affect myself, my own behavior and my own outlook on life (unless I want to attempt to force others to think or behave a certain way, which I don't). I accept that responsibility. You know as well as I do that many people do not see the world that way.
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We both agree forcing your way doesn't work. Yet we all have our own collective influence a lot just choose to give it up in the face of scale. It's not about them it's about doing your part one thing at time. Like I had mentioned my point about parents if a lot more reasonable like yourself were raising kids instead of traditional yahoos the world get a lot better quicker over the generations. All we can do is small impacts and until various groups decided to make hard decisions about getting things in order the stubborn and archaic types will continue to out populate and influence the way the world works.

Shorty I like the jib of that post.
 
I believe that 30% of them are scum, selfish, ignorant, racist, haters and trash (people who like Glenn Beck basicly)

I believe that 30% of them are genuine good hearted people who care for their families and respect others

I believe that 30% of them are conflicted, have lots of troubles, can be good at times, can be trouble and do stupid things at other times

I believes that 10% of them should be locked up in jail because they are a danger to society
 
I'm not fond of most people, I don't hate them, I'd just rather not interact with them for the most part because I find them uninteresting. But I do love humanity as a whole and what we've accomplished.

There is a trend in the development of our societies. Looking at our progress through history we see that while we become more technologically advanced we tend to turn into more tolerant, educated and benevolent people. Being good is what is in us to be. We are not there yet, and some parts of the world are very far behind, but it is happening. We also tend to paint a much darker vision of our world due to the way the media works. We live in one of the most peaceful times this planet has seen, but the information about violent acts is far more widespread then ever before, so it seams we live in a violent world. It may not be a fair picture but it's good that this is how it is, it alerts people to the problems and forces us to act on them.

Seeing all those who posted in this thread with a negative view of humanity is actually something I appreciate in humans. We are not happy or satisfied until we see that everyone lives in a fair world. Sure we could all be doing something about it instead of just complaining, but it's a lot better than apathy.

Watch this TED talk to get a much clearer view on what the world is really like.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_at_state.html
 
HylianTom said:
The suggestion that we limit growth isn't hostile, at least not on my part - I'm just recognizing the simple mathematics of the situation. We simply cannot continue growing infinitely on a planet with finite resources. To refuse to admit to this, I'd wager, is the mark of an insane person. Or one who doesn't understand relatively simple arithmetics .

But no. You're right. In fact, we should fill every goddamn corner of the planet with humans. That's the ticket to a great future, surely.
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did you not see that i agreed that there are too many people on the planet? so what's that about? you say i'm right, and it's like, dude, tell me something i don't know.

what i want to know from you is if you feel it should go beyond just a suggestion that we should limit growth. that you aren't for any laws in favor of population reduction.

i don't know how to solve population growth in other places of the world, but i have a pretty good idea where we can start here in america. it seems like, i dunno, for the last 10 years or so, there's been a culture of fucking and whoredom promoted through the tv. it's ramped up considerably these past couple of years. i can't count how many one night stands has happened on some crap drama. there are reality shows where love is just a game. it's like the family model is being demonized; parents just don't really give a shit, while teenagers stay rebellious. and then, when you think about it, safe sex isn't promoted at all, and monogamy is some kind of hell according to a lot of shows.
 
In a lot of aspects, you can't help but feel that the human race is fucking awesome. I mean, putting a man on the moon is a pretty huge "look at what we can do" moment.

On the other hand, there's war, corruption, all those other things that make up our daily "look at the fucking bullshit we do" thoughts. We have so much ability, but we still haven't figured out how to fix things structurally that are killing us.

Generally, I guess I'm more optimistic than most people in this thread in my daily life. I down with the human race, but nobody can mistake us for perfect.
 
i think people are generally good but I don't understand most people. I feel out of touch and as if I think about things differently from other people.
 
Half good, half bad. I work with people 1 on 1 and in groups as a teacher, and in my experience it's about a 50/50 split. There are plenty of people out there that are super negative, and just like to see others fail. Just the way it is.
 
Inherently bad.

We haven't got any better as a species over time, and we are not moving towards utopia aka a type of heaven. We are only able to appear better because of the incredible amount of creature comforts we have. Let a real calamity strike, and you'd see. We'd all turn right back into a bunch of savage animals overnight.
 
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