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NutJobJim said:
I'm from the UK so like your friend Asian always meant Pakistani/Indian. Since I've become addicted to the internet though Asian now means

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FOR ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY, WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES, AND WHERE CAN WE FIND THE REST OF TEH PICS????
 
Ether_Snake said:
God I hate this "Look at me I'm a cute Asian and I'm winking at you! Oh look at that an improvised half-smile half-wink! Now I put my hand on my forehead and wink again! So cute! ^______^;; But I don't know how to have sex... -_-"

Umm, to me that is the best because you get to teach them how to do it. Potential nympho in my book.

also :lol at "Crymaxing"
 
I'm an Asian American(Hmong to be specific), my people reside mainly in South China and SE Asia. And our view(the young people anyways) of Asian is similar to the view held by ScientificNinja. I do consider Indians, Bangali Middle Easterns, etc. to be Asian, but I view them as a separate group from us fried rice eating, chop stick using, kung fu kicking Eastern/SE Asians. I guess I've always based it on how we look. Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't think we could all blend in as I can usually tell apart the SE Asians from the Northern Asians but we have similar enough facial features and qualities that most people classify us together.

Anyways if we're going to expel anyone then expel the Filipinos. I'm not calling you Asian if you have a surname like Gonzales or Mendez.

But I am rooting for Ramiele Malubay to win American Idol :p
 
voodoojohn said:
Then why does an Indian professor proclaiming himself to be Asian bring back bad memories for you? In an academic setting, it makes sense to draw upon those historical connections that most of us currently don't give a shit about, and for all you know, his upbringing led him to believe that his family and those like him are Asian. I have been trying to understand why you wrote this person off as a "third-world-sympathising-hippy-bullshiter." Do your personal experiences make your claim to being Asian any more legitimate than his do? I know I don't have the first-hand experience and I likely don't understand the context, but from the information you've provided, it appears you do. You can't assume his personal sense of being Asian rests on some UN document. If you have proof that it does, then tell me, because then I agree with you - he is a bullshitter.

The memories are bad because that was a period of left-wing intellectual elitism that I didn't much care for. To elaborate (even though it has little to do with the question of being Asian, but it'll ultimately answer your questions), I was one of three UN-approved Asians in a class populated by Caucasians who were high on post-modernism and felt as though they were experiencing a cultural awakening by critically deconstructing the White experience and seeing everything through new eyes. Rattling off catch-phrases like "female circumcision must be stopped" were guaranteed to earn you bonus points.

Students were encouraged to gain a better understanding of the wrongs experienced by other cultures, and further encouraged to rectify those wrongs by attending rallies, writing and distributing pamphlets and anti-institution literature, joining protests - all that kind of hippy caper. If you didn't jump on this 'save the world' bandwagon, you were considered evil. Thing is, I drew the line at questioning the cultural sovereignty of a perfectly legitimate nation. This, it seems, was the one thing about other cultures they were perfectly happy to trample all over. As far as I'm concerned, if people of a Middle Eastern country think it's perfectly normal to slice off the clitorises of its women, that's their business. It's not for any other culture to come roving in to wag their fingers and say "we know better because we're white." This, mind, was not a popular position to take.

If you can imagine, then, in that kind of an environment, rather than pose a moral argument and providing some kind of moving personal anecdote, an Indian professor tries to convince me of his cultural link to me with a fucking rule book didn't exactly wash. A book that says "It is because it is because it is" is a terrible double-standard for him, and it's virtually an invitation to challenge it.

So, to answer your question - you're absolutely right. My claim to being Asian is likely no more legitimate than his. However, it is also fair to say that I'm not obliged to give a shit for what he thinks. He's the one trying to convince me that we have a commonality. The onus is on him. And while I can cite a lifetime of experiences, foods, tastes, sounds, sensations, likes and dislikes etc to express what I think it means to be Asian, all he can cite is a fucking book.

That is why I think of him and his ilk as a bunch of third-world-sympathising hippies.

(apologies for the length. I'm pretty sure it's the wine talking).
 
Normally I don't include anything approaching middle east or western (like austrailia) as asian, but i've learned to include some of em now.



but I wont include Pakistan tho. NOPE.
 
ScientificNinja said:
The memories are bad because that was a period of left-wing intellectual elitism that I didn't much care for...
Okay then, that makes sense. Had I been in your position, I'd probably feel the same way as you do now. To be quite honest, I couldn't give a fuck whether someone considers me Asian or not, but your initial post gave off an arrogant sense of ownership over the term that I had to question. I apologize for any bitchiness and shamelessly attribute it to my Chinese girlfriend's insane mother (who, after FIVE YEARS, still does not know about us because her daughter is so terrified of how she'd react).

This actually reminds me of a funny story. Although I'm currently studying abroad, I regularly attend a university in Southern California (UC San Diego) in which Asians - defined by the school as everyone from Pakistan eastward - hold a simple majority in the student population. After the end of finals one quarter, a few buddies and I decided to blow off some steam by sharing a bottle of vodka. As I had been studying Chinese that year, I fell into the habit of shouting random phrases in Mandarin on every occasion I drank a bit too much. That night, I stumbled onto the balcony, and at the top of my lungs yelled "我喜歡喝白酒!!" - for those of you not fluent in Chinese, that means "I like drinking liquor!!"

I heard a few shouts from downstairs so, naturally, I thought they needed clarification. Forgetting that I and the rest of the school understand English, I scoured my brain to find every Chinese word I had learned over the past six months. I told them my name in Chinese, that I like to eat dumplings in Chinese, that I love them in Chinese, and some other things that I don't remember (in Chinese).

Up come three Korean dudes to the door of my fifth floor, on-campus apartment. Apparently, from five floors down, they had noticed I was brown. And since they, themselves, didn't understand Chinese, they assumed I was speaking some Asiany language in an attempt to mock them. They were also very drunk.

One of the guys tells me, "Hey yo, this is an ASIAN school... you gotta respect!!" Being too drunk and happy to start a theoretical conversation on what exactly being Asian means, I disregard the fact that they're Korean and continue speaking to them in Chinese. A Taiwanese girl had to come out and translate for us. So there we were, an Indian guy speaking Chinese to three Koreans, with a Taiwanese girl acting as the filter.

Me: "可是... 我喜歡韓國人!!"

Taiwanese girl (also drunk): "HE'S LITERALLY TELLING YOU HE LIKES KOREAN PEOPLE"

And then we all went back to my place, continued drinking and playing Wii Sports, and all was merry. I couldn't make this shit up.

If you don't mind me asking, which school did you attend? My girlfriend goes to Berkeley and, surprisingly, has yet to face any of that bullshit.
 
Uhmm overall bad taste in video games, awesome airsoft gun shops, food that makes me sit on the can til dawn, aaand my gf, she loves the asian culture, not asian though, def not, ive always had a thing against flat butt asians. :/ When its all said and done, im a mixed bag when it comes to asia.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Anyways if we're going to expel anyone then expel the Filipinos. I'm not calling you Asian if you have a surname like Gonzales or Mendez.

:|

I don't have a Hispanic name
 
Rice-Eater said:
Anyways if we're going to expel anyone then expel the Filipinos. I'm not calling you Asian if you have a surname like Gonzales or Mendez.

But I am rooting for Ramiele Malubay to win American Idol :p

Thats cool. We get our own box to fill in on legal forms anyway. We don't have to share it with the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Thats cool. We get our own box to fill in on legal forms anyway. We don't have to share it with the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans.

Having your own box is fun anyway! Always makes me kind of smile seeing "Vietnamese" on a form instead of just Asian.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Thats cool. We get our own box to fill in on legal forms anyway. We don't have to share it with the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans.
Actually, now that you mention it, can us Filipinos check on the "hispanic" box? We have a clear connection with Spanish culture, especially our names!
 
I'm Indian, and at least in the sense that I fill out my census forms as "Asian/Pacific Islander," I consider myself Asian. And generally when mainstream publications talk about the influence of "Asian-Americans" on campuses and such, I think that Indians/people from the subcontinent should be included in that.

I do think culturally there's a distinction between "Far East Asians" and folks from the Subcontinent, but the line's maybe more blurry for me than most. Where I grew up, and live now, there isn't quite the same critical mass of Asian people that you might find in a major metropolitan area, and thus not as much quibbling over differences. Around here, if you're not white, there's sort of an automatic sense of kinship (or maybe that's just my own perception of things :lol:).
 
pjberri said:
Fixed, and I know white guys like this. Plenty. Who have even been vocal about those thoughts.

So...instead of doing what works for them, they should do what doesn't? What are you trying to get at here?
 
ScientificNinja said:
When I got a little older, I discovered that Brits don't even think of me as Asian - I'm apparently Oriental! According to them, Asians are people from India and Pakistan etc! And of course, coming from a family that's been directly touched by English imperialism, I make it a point of shaming any pom stupid enough to use the word Oriental in my presence by educating them about the Opium War.
You're the first person of Sinic descent I've *EVER* come across who takes offense at that. It's a neutral geo-cultural term which isn't even offensive in its Beifanghua form. It's not like referring to a non-Sinic with "yi".

And given that I wrote my dissertation on Qing Empire foreign policy from 1650 to 1900 [and would thus consider the period to be my specialty subject], what does the term "oriental" have to do with either of the Opium Wars?


so why is all of teh internets super into ((south) east) asian women?
Exoticism I'd guess. Can't understand it m'self. My personal taste has always been in favour of girls with dark to brown hair who are slightly shorter than me [in the 160 to 170cm range], and so that has kind of by default resulted in a high proportion of interests from that region... but Asian / Oriental fetishism? Slightly odd.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Anyways if we're going to expel anyone then expel the Filipinos. I'm not calling you Asian if you have a surname like Gonzales or Mendez.

But I am rooting for Ramiele Malubay to win American Idol :p

Heheh, Malubay = non-Spanish surname to the max.

Anyway, what the dealie, everyone considers us Filipinos to be the blacks of Asia. I never thought I'd hear that from a Hmong either. We should be getting jiggy with it, not fighting! :(
 
ScientificNinja said:
And hey, I doubt very much people from Turkey or Iran feel as though they have anything in common with me. I love a good falafel, but fuck me dead if I know how to speak Arabic.

Neither Iran or Turkey are Arabic countries, dumbass.
 
voodoojohn said:
I apologize for any bitchiness and shamelessly attribute it to my Chinese girlfriend's insane mother (who, after FIVE YEARS, still does not know about us because her daughter is so terrified of how she'd react).

Wait... you've posted this story before, haven't you? You seem to know enough about the Chinese - you do know why she's afraid to tell her mother, right?

voodoojohn said:
If you don't mind me asking, which school did you attend? My girlfriend goes to Berkeley and, surprisingly, has yet to face any of that bullshit.

Sydney Australia. Yep, we're an enlightened bunch :\


Sir Fragula said:
You're the first person of Sinic descent I've *EVER* come across who takes offense at that. It's a neutral geo-cultural term which isn't even offensive in its Beifanghua form. It's not like referring to a non-Sinic with "yi".

And given that I wrote my dissertation on Qing Empire foreign policy from 1650 to 1900 [and would thus consider the period to be my specialty subject], what does the term "oriental" have to do with either of the Opium Wars?

Someone mentioned before that it's a bit like "coloreds", if that helps.

Chrono said:
Neither Iran or Turkey are Arabic countries, dumbass.
My bad :( But they eat felafel, right?? :D
 
noi5e said:
Heheh, Malubay = non-Spanish surname to the max.

Anyway, what the dealie, everyone considers us Filipinos to be the blacks of Asia. I never thought I'd hear that from a Hmong either. We should be getting jiggy with it, not fighting! :(

Sorry, that last line was meant to be a joke. We have no problem with the Filipino's, but we sometimes like to joke about how a lot of you guys have adopted Spaniard names. We get ragged on for having no country so I think it more then evens out :p
 
ScientificNinja said:
Wait... you've posted this story before, haven't you? You seem to know enough about the Chinese - you do know why she's afraid to tell her mother, right?
I don't believe I've ever posted it before... and of course I know why she's afraid. Her mother's even crazier than most Chinese mothers and is pretty much closed off from American society. It doesn't help that her dad still lives in Taiwan. The only people in her family who don't know are her parents. Her cousin is one of my best friends, her aunts and uncles know me, her sister likes me. Yet they all warn me about her mother's insanity. That's why I'm giving her the time to tell and space to tell her mom
once we've moved to the East Coast
:D But, I mean, we've both talked a lot about it and we know it's something we have to face eventually. We're just both in agreement that if she we were to tell her now, her mom would pull out the age/maturity card and we couldn't do shit.

I didn't even tell my parents till about two years ago. I thought they'd freak out, and they initially did, but they love her now.
 
laesperanzapaz said:
FOR ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY, WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES, AND WHERE CAN WE FIND THE REST OF TEH PICS????

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And her name is Hwang Mii Hee. I rememeber when i was on this other forum i frequent and there was a convo went went a bit like this:

Me:Oriental girls are so hot
Asian American girl: What the hell is wrong with you?
Me:huh?
AAG: We are people not objects.
Me:huh? I don't understand all i said was that oriental girls were hot.
AAG:Can you stop calling us that
Me:Calling you what?
AAG:Orientals!
Me: What's wrong with being called oriental?
AAG:We are people not objects.
Me:???
I am from the UK and the fact that the word oriental, in the US, is offensive blew my mind.
 
Bleepey said:
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And her name is Hwang Mii Hee. I rememeber when i was on this other forum i frequent and there was a convo went went a bit like this:

Me:Oriental girls are so hot
Asian American girl: What the hell is wrong with you?
Me:huh?
AAG: We are people not objects.
Me:huh? I don't understand all i said was that oriental girls were hot.
AAG:Can you stop calling us that
Me:Calling you what?
AAG:Orientals!
Me: What's wrong with being called oriental?
AAG:We are people not objects.
Me:???
I am from the UK and the fact that the word oriental, in the US, is offensive blew my mind.

Jesus christ, what a bump.
 
Bleepey said:
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And her name is Hwang Mii Hee. I rememeber when i was on this other forum i frequent and there was a convo went went a bit like this:

Me:Oriental girls are so hot
Asian American girl: What the hell is wrong with you?
Me:huh?
AAG: We are people not objects.
Me:huh? I don't understand all i said was that oriental girls were hot.
AAG:Can you stop calling us that
Me:Calling you what?
AAG:Orientals!
Me: What's wrong with being called oriental?
AAG:We are people not objects.
Me:???
I am from the UK and the fact that the word oriental, in the US, is offensive blew my mind.

Oriental is kinda the equivalent of calling someone a JAP but not as offensive, both terms from an era when blatant racism of Asians was common and accepted by the government.
 
NJ x Falkor said:
What I consider Asian:

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More or less what most of us probably think of "Asian". (Aside: People who say all of Asia should be considered "Asian" when you say the term probably ignore 2/3 of Russia anyway.)

... except for excluding Mongolia. You trying to say something or was this just an honest mistake?
 
The orientals? :lol

My GF's Ghanaian Mother never says asians to refer to south east asians, always says orientals. :lol


I had no idea that was derogrotory in the USA.... Shes from the UK anyway so..
 
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