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[terrisus]

I guess we're going to turn this into a history lesson...

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Can you link us/give us the citation for [your dissertation]?

 

[commedieu]

I'm of the opinion that ancients very well may have very well had access to much higher technology than what we give them credit for

I'm with you. I wonder what time period atlantis is supposed to happen, as we have Archaeological sites with technology dating pretty far back. Its safe to assume that if this place was noted for intellect, it had the best minds available. Which would put a lot of our modern technology to shame.

Whenever atlantis was around, I wonder what the archaeological/fossil record is showing as far as human development. After all, our brains are severely capable. Its not like ancients were stupid or had different minds/creativity/understanding. Most people don't want to consider them the same as us, but brain wise, they are identical, and created things that we only discovered later in our existence. From that bagdad battery, to that greek watch with cogs/wheels. If there were ancients that had a reputation, its not as if its unfounded in the technology that was happening at the time.

 

[CorvoSol]

Portuguese exploring the seas in the early 1800's? I don't think that was a thing.

They were traveling them in the 1400 and 1500s, am I missing something? I dont know what is and is not real anymore.

 

[Anoregon]

I bet they have some fucking thin televisions.

They didn't even have televisions, they used thoughtboxes that beamed audio and visual sensations directly into the brain.

 

[Bisnic]

Why can't I find any of this in Google?

"As many of you know..."

What? Let's google some of this stuff...

First result : This thread.
Every other results? Not related at all.

 

[akira28]

I second this. Would pay a premium for the audio book though

Only if there were realistic dinosaur sounds doing the voice acting for the Lemurians.

 

[Tobor]

I can't understand how people can just believe something like this, without having any proof to support their beliefs.

I mean, why not crack a book and actually learn what they were about, instead of wishfully thinking there is some kind of massive unresolved mystery left?

The Sasquatch are out there and I will find them!

 

[terrisus]

Why can't I find any of this in Google?

Deep web... >.>

 

[SolidusDave]

awww I thought this would be a real nut like those UFO posters.
Where's the fun in that :/

 

[Opiate]

The tech level of Atlantis is as follows: consider the person who is answering the OP's question. Now consider what time period he is living in. Add about 50 years of scientific advancement on to that.

In this case, that would be 2014+50 = 2064. Someone living in 1960 would produce 1960+50=2010, and so forth. The resulting figure is the tech level of Atlantis at any given time.

edit:

It's been years since I read through my dissertation, but from what I remember, Atlantis's last major technological achievement was xenobotany.. a field we're close to re-pioneering in the next 30-50 years. They were just shy of what we would quantify as the Quantum Age. It's a pity what happened, but I guess it was inevitable.

I want it to be known that I had not read this post until I had already posted. This confirms my hypothesis.

 

[andycapps]

Thanks.

I'm interested on knowing the physical location of Atlantis, also if their technology was somewhat akin to ours (vehicles? devices?).
How come there is so few info on this?

Because it's fiction?

 

[Anoregon]

The Sasquatch are out there and I will find them!

http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1000

 

[adj_noun]

The Sasquatch are out there and I will find them!

We're pretty good at hiding, brah.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Any way we can look up the information too? Any sources?

It took me almost 7 years to gain access to copies of the scrolls (6.75 years to be exact). In 1954, Comité Maritime International awarded Madagascar the right to bring the relics home.. The bureaucrats in Mad make the US DMV look like a trip to the ATM. By 1989, the well worn reproductions were faded..edges tattered. I was given just over a full day to study the documents (I timed it at 27 hrs and change).

I assume you can still gain access, but it's going to require a lot of patience.. bribery also helps, but I'm not sure how much it actually sped up the process.

Unfortunately, Penito's and Lisboa's lifetimes of research were lost in the great Amadora fire of 1995.

 

[Grym]

I guess we're going to turn this into a history lesson...

As many of you know, in 1827, famed Portuguese explorer, Diogo Paiva discovered 54 scrolls 108 kilometers off the coast of Madagascar. The scrolls were preserved through what we would recognize today as lamination using an unknown synthetic polymer. For 13.5 years, they sat in the drawing room of Paiva's second cousin (and rumored homosexual lover), Bernardo.

A chance visit by world renowned linguist, Fernando Penito, to Bernardo's home uncovered this great discovery for the world to see and study. 90% of my research is based on the scroll translations provided by Penito and his assistant, Duarte Lisboa.

Since you used them as your source, I assume you discount any controversy over the translators' (particularly Lisboa's) potentially biased contextual interpretations due to the lack of paratextual material that could have been utilized to avoid overall comprehension misunderstandings?

 

[Jackpot]

Confirmation will be the name of his institution. Suspect it's a degree mill.

famed Portuguese explorer, Diogo Paiva

world renowned linguist, Fernando Penito

No record found.

edit:

It took me almost 7 years to gain access to copies of the scrolls (6.75 years to be exact). In 1954, Comité Maritime International awarded Madagascar the right to bring the relics home.. The bureaucrats in Mad make the US DMV look like a trip to the ATM. By 1989, the well worn reproductions were faded..edges tattered. I was given just over a full day to study the documents (I timed it at 27 hrs and change).

I assume you can still gain access, but it's going to require a lot of patience.. bribery also helps, but I'm not sure how much it actually sped up the process.

Unfortunately, Penito's and Lisboa's lifetimes of research were lost in the great Amadora fire of 1995.

Why won't you tell people the title of your thesis and name of institution?

 

[Orbis Tabula]

It took me almost 7 years to gain access to copies of the scrolls (6.75 years to be exact). In 1954, Comité Maritime International awarded Madagascar the right to bring the relics home.. The bureaucrats in Mad make the US DMV look like a trip to the ATM. By 1989, the well worn reproductions were faded..edges tattered. I was given just over a full day to study the documents (I timed it at 27 hrs and change).

I assume you can still gain access, but it's going to require a lot of patience.. bribery also helps, but I'm not sure how much it actually sped up the process.

Unfortunately, Penito's and Lisboa's lifetimes of research were lost in the great Amadora fire of 1995.

How terrible. The Atlanteans were smart enough to laminate the scrolls to make them waterproof...but they forgot about fire...shame. Thank god you got to see them before them so their knowledge isn't lost to the world.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I can't understand how people can just believe something like this, without having any proof to support their beliefs.

I mean, why not crack a book and actually learn what they were about, instead of wishfully thinking there is some kind of massive unresolved mystery left?

There are books that suggest that the ancients had a higher level of technology than we give them credit for. The post you quoted said nothing about spaceships or anything... There is evidence of advanced tools used in Egypt beyond the belief that everything was made with stone mallets and copper chisles. But I guess Egyptologists would be the best source for information on how things were built and not engineers...

 

[DiscoShark]

It's finally finishing early this year, I should bump the thread.

Oooo, good to hear. I typically give it a year between readings so hes put up enough new content to run through, looks like I may just go ahead and put that off for a few months to wait for the conclusion.

You would think that. You've gotta be more open-minded, man. I wrote my thesis about the sinking of Rel'ya. It's legit. I'd say more, but out of respect for NeoGaf's expected modus operandi, I'll refrain from taking this conversation even further off topic. I'll be happy to talk about it more in a "What, exactly, happened to Rel'ya" thread, if such a thing were to exist.

Hahaha.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

How terrible. The Atlanteans were smart enough to laminate the scrolls to make them waterproof...but they forgot about fire...shame.

The scrolls still exist (Again, I assume.. I was only given copies to use in my research.) Penito's/Lisboa's research was lost in the fire, not the scrolls or the copies.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

How terrible. The Atlanteans were smart enough to laminate the scrolls to make them waterproof...but they forgot about fire...shame. Thank god you got to see them before them so their knowledge isn't lost to the world.

What if the fire only reveals the real meaning?

 

[hunnies28]

http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1000

Kindly show yourself to Director Jones office unless you want to become a volunteer for Procedure 110-Montauk.

 

[Kurdel]

There are books that suggest that the ancients had a higher level of technology than we give them credit for. The post you quoted said nothing about spaceships or anything... There is evidence of advanced tools used in Egypt beyond the belief that everything was made with stone mallets and copper chisles. But I guess Egyptologists would be the best source for information on how things were built and not engineers...

I am talking about the wishful thinking, not educated guesses from professional historians, which still remain guesses until proven otherwise.

 

[flkraven]

The stuff he is putting in brackets is a dead giveaway that this has become a troll. My interest is quickly fading... I take my offer off the table to pay for this...

Edit: Was expecting this to be a hilariously delusional, lengthy yet well-articulated paper.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

The scrolls still exist (Again, I assume.. I was only given copies to use in my research.) Penito's/Lisboa's research was lost in the fire, not the scrolls or the copies.

Oh. Well that's both reassuring, and depressing. Glad the scrolls are still around, but I bet we lost a lot of good work in that fire.

 

[tirminyl]

I have an old tale about Atlantis. It was about King Mikor who was stripped of his title and thrown out from the city state yet he continued to rule from the shadows by influencing the high seats. This garnered the nicknames "Hidden King" and "Shadow King" despite officially being dethroned. Eventually he plotted to kill the other 6 Atlantean Kings thus bringing its downfall.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Oh. Well that's both reassuring, and depressing. Glad the scrolls are still around, but I bet we lost a lot of good work in that fire.

Their work lives on, but yes, it was quite depressing. I don't think I've ever cried as much as I cried that day.

 

[Grimsen]

There are books that suggest that the ancients had a higher level of technology than we give them credit for. The post you quoted said nothing about spaceships or anything... There is evidence of advanced tools used in Egypt beyond the belief that everything was made with stone mallets and copper chisles. But I guess Egyptologists would be the best source for information on how things were built and not engineers...

Finding Egyptologists will prove to be extremely difficult. It took me months (6.5 to be exact) to discover that the remaining Egyptologists had perished in the Damanhur ruins fire of 1998.

 

[Acorn]

Parody thread urges rising

 

[akira28]

Their work lives on, but yes, it was quite depressing. I don't think I've ever cried as much as I cried that day.

yes is quite depressing watching your research run out of steam as it has.

 

[Cyan]

Parody thread urges rising

This already is a parody thread.

 

[Ri'Orius]

I guess we're going to turn this into a history lesson...

As many of you know, in 1827, famed Portuguese explorer, Diogo Paiva discovered 54 scrolls 108 kilometers off the coast of Madagascar. The scrolls were preserved through what we would recognize today as lamination using an unknown synthetic polymer. For 13.5 years, they sat in the drawing room of Paiva's second cousin (and rumored homosexual lover), Bernardo.

A chance visit by world renowned linguist, Fernando Penito, to Bernardo's home uncovered this great discovery for the world to see and study. 90% of my research is based on the scroll translations provided by Penito and his assistant, Duarte Lisboa.

Oh, please. While they didn't prove that the "unknown synthetic polymer" was simple pig fat until the creation of the mass spectrometer in the early 1920s, the technique of preserving papyrus in lard was well known in the Greek city-states. And Penito was only "world renowned" because he was a certified fraud: the guy's other accomplishments included the Voynich manuscript "translation" that predicted a global catastrophe in 1824 and the "discovery" of an intact Rosetta stone in southern Spain (confirmed a counterfeit in 1844 by an actual world renowned linguist, Karl Verner; this was known as the biggest academic fraud until Piltdown Man took that crown).

I know Atlantis is a sexy topic, but people have been preying on that mystique to peddle their snake-oil for nearly all of recorded history.

 

[SgtCobra]

Showmethereceipts.gif the thread?

 

[Kurdel]

Parody thread urges rising

Can't imagine this guy being legit, probably just tag fishing or something.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

yes is quite depressing watching your research run out of steam as it has.

All things come to an end. Atlantis taught us that.

 

[commedieu]

Oh, please. While they didn't prove that the "unknown synthetic polymer" was simple pig fat until the creation of the mass spectrometer in the early 1920s, the technique of preserving papyrus in lard was well known in the Greek city-states. And Penito was only "world renowned" because he was a certified fraud: the guy's other accomplishments included the Voynich manuscript "translation" that predicted a global catastrophe in 1824 and the "discovery" of an intact Rosetta stone in southern Spain (confirmed a counterfeit in 1844 by an actual world renowned linguist, Karl Verner; this was known as the biggest academic fraud until Piltdown Man took that crown).

I know Atlantis is a sexy topic, but people have been preying on that mystique to peddle their snake-oil for nearly all of recorded history.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Oh, please. While they didn't prove that the "unknown synthetic polymer" was simple pig fat until the creation of the mass spectrometer in the early 1920s, the technique of preserving papyrus in lard was well known in the Greek city-states. And Penito was only "world renowned" because he was a certified fraud: the guy's other accomplishments included the Voynich manuscript "translation" that predicted a global catastrophe in 1824 and the "discovery" of an intact Rosetta stone in southern Spain (confirmed a counterfeit in 1844 by an actual world renowned linguist, Karl Verner; this was known as the biggest academic fraud until Piltdown Man took that crown).

I know Atlantis is a sexy topic, but people have been preying on that mystique to peddle their snake-oil for nearly all of recorded history.

A challenger approaches!

 

[Jackpot]

The scrolls still exist (Again, I assume.. I was only given copies to use in my research.) Penito's/Lisboa's research was lost in the fire, not the scrolls or the copies.

There are no online records about any of this. Diogo Paiva, Fernando Penito, Duarte Lisboa, Madagascan scrolls or even a fire in Amadora, Portugal.

Also what use would seeing the scrolls be as you don't speak ancient Atlantean and said:

90% of my research is based on the scroll translations provided by Penito and his assistant

and not the original scrolls.

 

[darkistheway]

It took me almost 7 years to gain access to copies of the scrolls (6.75 years to be exact). In 1954, Comité Maritime International awarded Madagascar the right to bring the relics home.. The bureaucrats in Mad make the US DMV look like a trip to the ATM. By 1989, the well worn reproductions were faded..edges tattered. I was given just over a full day to study the documents (I timed it at 27 hrs and change).

I assume you can still gain access, but it's going to require a lot of patience.. bribery also helps, but I'm not sure how much it actually sped up the process.

Unfortunately, Penito's and Lisboa's lifetimes of research were lost in the great Amadora fire of 1995.

see now you are just laying it on too thick. Ease down, less details, more hints.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

There are no online records about any of this. Diogo Paiva, Fernando Penito, Duarte Lisboa, Madagascan scrolls or even a fire in Amadora, Portugal.

Also what use would seeing the scrolls be as you don't speak ancient Atlantean and said:



and not the original scrolls.

Where do you think the last 10% came from?

 

[TheGreatDirector]

They're still probably stuck on Windows 95.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Finding Egyptologists will prove to be extremely difficult. It took me months (6.5 to be exact) to discover that the remaining Egyptologists had perished in the Damanhur ruins fire of 1998.

LOL

 

[akira28]

Finding Egyptologists will prove to be extremely difficult. It took me months (6.5 to be exact) to discover that the remaining Egyptologists had perished in the Damanhur ruins fire of 1998.

Makes you wonder how they were all lured into one place, and how the only remaining one is now a world famous millionaire.

 

[Hexa]

Really? The last thing I remember them working on was the conversion of their consciousness into living energy.

This is true IIRC. It had something to do with the 'heart' but the experiment went terribly wrong and the energy became some sort of dark matter type material. As it was based on consciousness however, the material became sentient, though lacking higher intelligence. Furthermore, many of the bodies left behind separated from their 'heart' also awoke and became sentient separate from their consciousness. Both these forces seemed to want to destroy the Crystal object that powered the city and fueled their higher level technology. They almost succeeded when an expedition of outsiders managed to find their way into the city, but were stopped by a bunch of heroes that appeared out of nowhere and mysteriously disappeared afterwards.

Spoiler

I've wanted an Atlantis world in Kingdom Hearts since forever.

 

[davepoobond]

Classical advanced societies harnessed a different type of technology that essentially equates to magic due to its energy principles and utilization of such technology mostly in such a way to manipulate matter and nature and not much more, such as weaponry or space exploration/discovery/recording of history.

With that said, I would base Atlantis on about par with "Ancient Egypt" but with a few key advances in technology such as power capabilities and emphasis on being able to use nature/the ocean to protect itself. They also apparently have advanced cloaking technology that has enabled them to hide for hundreds of years.

 

[Jackpot]

Where do you think the last 10% came from?

Trolling requires a certain finesse. A good troll thread would have spun a wonderful, outlandish tale that ensnared some of the more gullible lurkers every time the story was on the verge of falling apart. But doing nothing but selective quoting and ignoring the majority of posts is boring and talentless.

 

[akira28]

Trolling requires a certain finesse. A good troll thread would have spun a wonderful, outlandish tale that ensnared some of the more gullible lurkers every time the story was on the verge of falling apart. But doing nothing but selective quoting and ignoring the majority of posts is boring and talentless.

and what is coming in at the ass end after we've all been helping, just to point out the goddamned obvious. Talent?

 

[SolidusDave]

There are no online records about any of this. Diogo Paiva, Fernando Penito, Duarte Lisboa, Madagascan scrolls or even a fire in Amadora, Portugal.

Also what use would seeing the scrolls be as you don't speak ancient Atlantean and said:



and not the original scrolls.

Have you considered the possibility that he's just bullshitting?
Or are you playing along, I can't tell anymore.


Anyway, legitimate Atlantis guys basically only have this to say:
http://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis-introduction-1.htm

Which picture of Atlantis should we make in our minds?
If Atlantis existed then it was probably a much smaller island with a less ancient civilization. Maybe it was situated in the Mediterranean sea. The hypothesis about the islands of Crete and Santorini being Atlantis have their difficulties but to create a picture of what is realistically possible, this hypothesis is very well-suited. The same is valid for the hypothesis of Troy being Atlantis.

But in my extensive research I unearthed a much more detailed description of their tech level:
http://thelighthouseonline.com/articles/atlantis4.html

Atlantean Science and Technology

Most of the Atlantean scientists were far more advanced than most of our most advanced scientists today. With the discoveries of Nikola Tesla, we have begun to recover some of the Atlantean science knowledge, though in the case of Tesla's work, it seems we are giving it a more martial application. The technology that Edward Leedskalnin developed to single-handedly move his large blocks of stone is also a resurfacing of one of the Atlantean techniques for moving heavy objects. This technique, along with many others, survived into early Egyptian times.

In other fields of science, Atlanteans understood genetics and were able to work with genetic material far more accurately than we do today. Again, early Egyptians also understood genetics, though by then the available tools and equipment were much inferior to what the Atlanteans had had. The Atlantean understanding of genetics led to some problems as scientists at the time attempted to improve certain species (the horse, for example). Yet, although they made mistakes, the Atlantean scientists had one enormously important difference from scientists of today: They were all highly ethical and did not, as some people have said, experiment in the way that our modern scientists do. Atlantean scientists always had some positive goal they were working toward, with the aim of improving the world in some way. This doesn't mean that they knew and understood everything—which is why they made mistakes—but it does mean that overall, their intentions were toward bettering human society. This desire to improve and help humanity as a whole was used to develop crops and growing techniques that could be used at high altitudes, such as in South America. They also developed many other useful plants.

I mentioned the probability choosers. These Atlanteans were able to see into the future—see the many possible futures, I should say—and, more remarkably, were then able to select a desired future out of the possibilities that they saw. We all do this unconsciously; what is remarkable about this is that these probability choosers did it consciously. One of the mistakes they made is that they didn't always understand what was going on, and so they would make choices that had wider repercussions than they expected. For example, before Atlantis was destroyed, probability choosers noticed that many animals were leaving the continent of Atlantis, and also that the plants on that continent were dying. This could have—should have—been seen as a warning. But it wasn't. Without asking themselves why, or asking themselves what knowledge the plants and animals might have that they did not, they instead searched for a probable future timeline in which the plants did not die out and the animals didn't leave. What they chose in doing so was a timeline in which the plants and animals were much less aware of and in communication with the world and the future probabilities. So when disaster struck, Atlanteans were much less prepared.

Atlanteans also had a clean power source that used crystals, at least to a great extent. The energy produced could be sent over long distances without the need for wires. This use of crystals was developed jointly with the aliens who had come to earth about 30,000 years ago, as mentioned in the earlier article, The Origins of Atlantis. Crystals were also used to produce a wonderful kind of light; sometimes chunks of what seem to be crystals randomly growing together with oxidized metal are actually remnants of these lamps. There is a temple on an island in southern Egypt that was destroyed through unknown means; what I read psychically at that site is that the temple was hit by a beam of energy. Whether it was a backlash from energy being sent from a source, where the source was disrupted somehow, or a deliberate attack, I wasn't sure. This energy was the same type of energy used by the Atlanteans, though I think the year in which the temple was destroyed was a long time after Atlantis was destroyed.

 

[akira28]

This use of crystals was developed jointly with the aliens who had come to earth about 30,000 years ago, as mentioned in the earlier article

and at this point, the weed kicked in.

hard.

 

[Ionic]

This stuff is on the level of Ken M, except instead of feigning extreme ignorance, it is an incredible display of faux knowledge. We have here a man who has perfected his craft, and this thread is his masterpiece.