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[lawnchair]

A similar example would be people using "nauseous" to mean "feeling sick" when it actually means "making people sick" (e.g. "a nauseous fume emanating from the sewer grate"), since there isn't a good synonym for the real meaning. But that's not as annoying of an example as "literally" because a) It doesn't come up as often, and b) We less frequently need to talk about things that make us physically ill.



You keep talking as if I think there's going to be some kind of catastrophic breakdown of language that follows from this one misuse of a word, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying two things: 1) You're using a word to mean its own opposite, and that's confusing and there are plenty of other words you could use. 2) Each time a unique word like "literally" gets sucked into the black hole that is our obsession with superlatives, bit by bit over time this makes it more difficult to express oneself clearly and precisely, which is the whole point of language.

Think of it this way. Let's say you had a really bad time at the Department of Motor Vehicles today, and you want me to sympathize with you. You tell me, "The line was so long I literally aged a hundred years while waiting." I, like most people, associate "literally" with its actual meaning, and instead of feeling the sympathy you wanted, I immediately get a ridiculous picture in my mind of you standing in line as a 120-something-year-old man, at last tottering up to the counter mottled with grey wrinkles and shaking with the effort. All I can do is laugh to myself at the absurd mental picture you've given me, and I'm not thinking about your actual ordeal.

Question: Have you just communicated with me effectively?

And if you indeed haven't, why insist on doing it? You're creating a disconnect that doesn't have to exist, because there were any number of other ways you could have conveyed your meaning to me that actually made sense. Hell, this thread proves the point: all the OP wanted to do was talk about games that aren't getting the excitement they wanted, but half of it is derailed by snide comments about how he used "literally".

On the flipside, as someone who uses the word "literally" for its intended use, when I do so with people who only know the wrong use it creates a small breakdown in communication there as well. I can say "My kid brother got hopped up on sugar at the indoor playground where they have a rock wall, and he was literally climbing up the walls," and that won't have quite the same meaning for them.



Except that's not really how it works. There are plenty of concepts that used to be expressed in English by single words, that no longer are. Take "nauseous" above, which has taken on the same meaning as "nauseated". That mixup has been used for a long time now, but even after all this time no other word has been magically born to take its place. Instead of "a nauseous gas" you'd say today "a gas that made me sick", which is a longer, wordier and coarser way of expressing yourself. It's a lot less elegant and efficient.

Tell me: Do you feel that people in the modern age are better at communicating with each other than at points past? Do we have fewer misunderstandings, fewer arguments born of people who can't quite get their points across? I sure don't think so.



None of that is what I said. Go back and re-read.



Neither does yours. You keep declaring that "nothing bad has ever happened from words losing their meaning," but where's your evidence for saying that?

wrekt

ahem .. well said, sir.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

You aren't the only one excited for CrossCode, OP. However, very little people are talking about it this game and I have no idea why. Its amazing.

New page.

 

[martino]

Dauntless
can be great ..they just showed things too early

wolcen also not come often but make huge progress (and quick) at each patch(alpha).

 

[Crixus]

The Guild 3. http://theguildgame.com/#home
I don't think I know anyone interested in this.

Styx 2 seems to be flying under the radar.

I'm quite excited about this game, loved the first one. I hope it gets a physical edition release on pc.

 

[ProfessorPuzzle]

DJMAX Respect

 

[lawnchair]

crosscode looks neat, i'll give it a shot if/when it gets finished.

 

[Aaron D.]

wrekt

ahem .. well said, sir.

Not really.

Human language is proven to be malleable and evolutionary.

 

[Chû Totoro]

This (and it's been too long.... hopefully not dead since we had updates at the end of december):

Website here

 

[Phu]

Radio The Universe, which I missed the kickstarter for and should have slackbacked by now but it's sooooo long after when it was supposed to land.

This is mine as well. I'm a backer and the updates come just often enough to assure me it hasn't dissolved into the aether.

 

[Sumasshu]

 

[Forkball]

Final Fantasy XVIII. People are not even talking about it.

 

[Herne]

Tech Executive Tycoon

Also Mount & Blade Bannerlord, but I seriously doubt I'm the only one excited about it.

 

[PseudoViper]

I don't think there's a particular game I really excited about. There's a crap ton I'm hyped for, but nothing so far that has me like "OMFG, I'm buying this DAY-1"

I guess Mass Effect is the closet game to that feeling.

 

[lawnchair]

Not really.

Human language is proven to be malleable and evolutionary.

i don't want to put words in his/her mouth but i don't think AgeEighty was arguing that language is not malleable or 'evolutionary', but that this malleable nature isn't always beneficial.

 

[Glass Shark]

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[Aaron D.]

i don't want to put words in his/her mouth but i don't think AgeEighty was arguing that language is not malleable or 'evolutionary', but that this malleable nature isn't always beneficial.

That's one way of looking at it.

Honestly, I shouldn't have replied to your post to begin with as I only contributed to a exasperating and banal thread derail over simple semantics.

Apologies.

Tech Executive Tycoon

That looks really nice.

Have you looked into the Steam EA game, Software Inc.?

Looks like it's covering the same territory. I quite enjoyed it in 2016.

 

[Herne]

That looks really nice.

Have you looked into the Steam EA game, Software Inc.?

Looks like it's covering the same territory. I quite enjoyed it in 2016.

Yeah, I have that. It's interesting but a bit too limited. You should also look into Gamebiz 3, which though old now (and more limited still) still offers some fun.

 

[Aaron D.]

Nice, thanks for the lead.

I Wishlisted Tech Exec Tycoon.

You think that will be deeper than Software Inc.?

 

[UltraJay]

Thank you! *adds to wishlist*

On the side, I wish that Steam had like a news feed that was just all the updates from games you own. Like, I own Bleed but since I don't play it super often I totally missed the sequel annouce.

I don't know if someone has already answered this, but isn't Steam's follow function like this? You follow a game and get notified of any updates. Pretty sure they end up in your activity feed and also in a section on the front page.

 

[evilromero]

Does the dictionary also have anything on the use of asterisks to further emphasize a word that is already being used to emphasize?

 

[jotun?]

Examina

It is a dungeon crawler at the moment with an emphasis on weight and physics. This isn't Diablo where you click click click, you have to use your mouse for actual motion and momentum. You can even trip on stuff

Tripping has never ever turned out to be a bad design choice

 

[zombieshavebrains]

No one said Half Life 3 so I guess i'm the only one left. Literally.

 

[Malyse]

Does the dictionary also have anything on the use of asterisks to further emphasize a word that is already being used to emphasize?

No, that's just part of being a millennial.

 

[ScatheZombie]

Styx: Shards of Darkness

Or pretty much any game from either Cyanide or Spyders studios. I've loved every jank-fest euro-trash game they've both made so far.

 

[Gutek]

 

[Herne]

Nice, thanks for the lead.

I Wishlisted Tech Exec Tycoon.

You think that will be deeper than Software Inc.?

I'm hopeful! It certainly looks that way. The developers are also quite communicative and they've put a lot of my fears to rest, so here's hoping

 

[ProgenitorCastle]

At this point, I'm pretty much "the Scalebound poster."

All I can say is that it will certainly be interesting if this game releases to critical acclaim. Platinum + Heavy RPG focus + Dragons seems like it has potential.

Haha yup! Me and my sister are interested in this game...looking forward to more footage or a demo. There seems to be alot of apathy and/or negativity towards it...I bet even more people don't know its a thing that exists. Hope things turn around for it in time

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Starting to see a worrying pattern here.
Does this happen in other languages as well?

 

[Parmenide]

Blue Volta (P&C). Beautiful art style. Weird setting. 2017 release.

Intriguing. It's on my radar now.

 

[MartyStu]

To be clear, I am interpreting OP to mean games that you are excited about, that not too many others may know about.

Children of Morta

Deaths Gambit

Ruiner

Rise and Shine

Crossing Souls

 

[Malyse]

Starting to see a worrying pattern here.
Does this happen in other languages as well?

I think the more worrying pattern is people who are unable to use context to recognize hyperbole.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I think the more worrying pattern is people who are unable to use context to recognize hyperbole.

"literally" is hyperbole, but the other 2 examples are just idiocy.

 

[Bamboo]

Two games, both by Mahdi Bahrami - TANDIS and ENGARE
They're geometry games. And puzzle games (i guess?) The premise for both looks amazing though. Check out the videos, i find it hard to describe in words, but the videos make it clear once you see it. You basically have to use and abuse mathematical functions to either deform one object into another (tandis), or to draw ornaments with them (engare).

TANDIS
gameplay https://youtu.be/dxTOY1-jYro

ENGARE
teaser https://youtu.be/xOMDOmKNhrY
drawing tool https://youtu.be/q3GqwTEP9yo

Miegakure

MIEGAKURE
http://miegakure.com/
Miegakure [Hide & Reveal] is a game where you navigate a four-dimensional world to perform miraculous feats and solve puzzles.

(animations at the link above show how it works. Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yW--eQaA2I)
http://i.imgur.com/3YeiUgL.png

Ah, came to post this, too. It looks amazing.

 

[UCBooties]

Battle Brothers.

Awesome, thank you.

 

[Cranzor]

"literally" is hyperbole, but the other 2 examples are just idiocy.

"Inflammable" has always had that meaning though. It comes from Latin flammare plus in-, which means "to cause to." This word is actually about 200 years older than "flammable," which also comes from Latin flammare. The confusion comes from us associating the in- prefix with another of its meanings. This has more to do with English itself than idiocy.

 

[Malyse]

Two games, both by Mahdi Bahrami - TANDIS and ENGARE
They're geometry games. And puzzle games (i guess?) The premise for both looks amazing though. Check out the videos, i find it hard to describe in words, but the videos make it clear once you see it. You basically have to use and abuse mathematical functions to either deform one object into another (tandis), or to draw ornaments with them (engare).

TANDIS
gameplay https://youtu.be/dxTOY1-jYro

ENGARE
teaser https://youtu.be/xOMDOmKNhrY
drawing tool https://youtu.be/q3GqwTEP9yo

Ah, came to post this, too. It looks amazing.

I fucking love math.

 

[Pejo]

I'm going to say Freedom Wars 2. I'm the only one excited about it because I'm the only one foolish enough to think it's going to actually exist.

PS4 sequel (ala Gravity Rush 2) please Sony!

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

"Inflammable" has always had that meaning though. It comes from Latin flammare plus in-, which means "to cause to." This word is actually about 200 years older than "flammable," which also comes from Latin flammare. The confusion comes from us associating the in- prefix with its other meaning. This has more to do with English itself than idiocy.

That's fine, but you can certainly understand how and why it would be confusing to a non native speaker. The fact that this particular distinction also happens to be extremely critical should be cause enough for this use to be discouraged.

 

[Javier23]

Intruder, Hidden Asset, A New Zero, and Sub Rosa

 

[Cranzor]

That's fine, but you can certainly understand how and why it would be confusing to a non native speaker. The fact that this particular distinction also happens to be extremely critical should be cause enough for this use to be discouraged.

Oh, I totally understand why it's confusing. I just wanted to point out that idiocy didn't ruin the word or anything. Apparently "flammable" and "nonflammable" are increasing in use and "inflammable" is decreasing, so the future is bright for those worried about confusion.

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

Hidden folks

interactive where's waldo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBBdkGioiMU

 

[Fred-87]

I have been following Ooblets since almost its inception. It looks cute.

I too know ooblets. I saw it in a tweet once. Something like check this cute gif out. Since then it stuck with me this game.

 

[Miletius]

I'm excited for Home Free, an open world game where you play as a dog. Your objective is to survive and perhaps reunite with your master after the two of you got separated. I Kickstarted it a while ago, and development, while slow, seems to be coming along smoothly.

 

[Barry Burton]

These games, for some unknown gaffers.

237 >observer_ 1
238 13 Sentinels 1
239 Agony 1
240 Akiba's Beat 1
241 Blossom Tales 1
242 Blue Volta 1
243 Constructor 1
244 Djur 1
245 Dreadnought 1
246 Dreams 1
247 Fire Emblem (mobile) 1
248 Frozen Synapse 2 1
249 GNOG 1
250 Hakuoki -- Kyoto Winds 1
251 Hive Jump 1
252 Hiveswap 1
253 Period Cube 1
254 pokemon stars 1
255 Radio the Universe 1
256 Ray's The Dead 1
257 Redout 1
258 Return of the Obra Dinn 1
259 Rise and Shine 1
260 Star Control: Origins 1
261 Statik 1
262 Stygian 1
263 Underworld Ascendant 1
264 Zettai Zetsumei Yoshi 4 Summer Memories 1
265 Scorn Part 1 1
266 80's Overdrive 1
267 Daytona USA 3 1
268 Diablo 3 Necromancer Pack 1
269 Diluvion 1
270 Etrian Odyssey V 1
271 Golem 1
272 Guardians of the Galaxy The Telltale Series 1
273 Just Shapes & Beats 1
274 Ken Follett's The Pillars of the Earth 1
275 Lorelai 1
276 Narcissu 1
277 Rain 1
278 Rose in the Castle of Twilight 1
279 Space engineers 1
280 Space Hulk: Deathwing 1
281 Space Pirate Trainer 2017 1
282 State of Mind 1
283 Summon Night 6 1
284 The Church in the Darkness 1
285 The Gallery - Episode 2 1
286 The Journey Down 1
287 Totally Accurate Battle Simulator 1
288 Whatever Retro Studios is doing 1
289 YIIK: A Post Modern RPG 1

 

[Vlaphor]

Several years ago, a game came out called "Age Of Barbarian" that had a lot of promise and spoke to what I like, but it was also kind of garbage. In 2016, Steam got a new version of the game called "Age Of Barbarian: Extended Cut" that was a lot better, and continued to get better following tons of patches which added new content led by a dev team who was incredibly responsive to player feedback (post a bug in the game's forum on Steam, get a hotfix a couple of hours later). So yeah, I liked it a lot, and there are two sequels in progress that I'm probably the only person on Neogaf who is looking forward to them.

The first sequel is "Age of Barbarian: Arena"

This link may be NSFW depending on where you work, so be careful.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=717914325

and there's also an actual sequel in development, which I'm really looking forward to.

I also want SAM, the sequel to ASM, but that game missed it's 2016 release window, so who knows when it's coming out

 

[Weltall Zero]

I really don't understand what you think might happen if we just let people use this word however they want.

I just told you. English language will lose some descriptive capacity. People won't be able to communicate as efficiently as before. Will it kill humanity? Well, no. Is it a bad thing? It unquestionably is.

Never has any language devolved because of "incorrect" use by speakers. That has never, ever happened and there is absolutely no reason or evidence to think this may occur.

Please stop using "evolve" or "devolve" in a context where they make no sense.

If there is a gap in language, that void will be filled if it needs to be.

Ah, of course, the "things will sort themselves out" fallacy. Wrong! There are gaps, huge gaping holes the size of a truck, in all languages. You will never notice them, and the consequent holes in your reasoning capability, until you learn at least a second one to compare them.

If "literally" ends up meaning solely "figuratively," there will be a new word to replace "literally" if it is necessary to express.

Again, wrong; you yourself provided a counterexample. "You" means both "tú" and "vosotros". No new word has magically appeared in English to fill that void.

Do you really think the English language will turn into a language in which we can't actually express whatever we want?

The English language is already a language in which you can't express what you want. Try to get a Spanish speaker to express "No, si veras tú como..." into English.

Do you currently feel like you can't do that because of this word?

For the 100th time, yes I fucking do.

I really don't understand what you think might happen.

I think I can't express in English what I can express in Spanish (or viceversa), and when "literally" has lost its meaning and there is no replacement, it becomes worse. This is not a "might", this is not a "dark future". This is here and now.

I'm snipping the part where you then loop back to asking the same questions that have been answered above.

If you believe George Fox was a hero, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

That has been apparent from the start.

Maybe we should just leave it at that. If you want a perfect language with no ambiguity whatsoever, maybe you would be more interested in conlangs than natural language.

I've clearly stated that what I want is languages (plural) that don't lose expressive capacity for no good reason. Nice strawman, though.

Your argument has no evidence whatsoever. No language has devolved in the way you describe [snip]

For fuck's sake, not this again.

But yeah, you're right about the thread. I'm looking at this giant post and feeling pretty stupid posting this in the gaming side. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk about this more (that goes for anyone). But everyone else, take solace in me not making any more long posts about this in here!

You had to try to have your cake and eat it, didn't you? Have the last word and be the voice of reason that wants to stop derailing the thread. Well, you'll have to pick one.

Also I have to wonder if you would have suggested to move the conversation to PMs if it hadn't turned into everyone vs you.

i don't want to put words in his/her mouth but i don't think AgeEighty was arguing that language is not malleable or 'evolutionary', but that this malleable nature isn't always beneficial.

Which goes hand in hand with the stupid notion that evolution is some kind of wonderful magic force that always turns up with the most perfect design. Spoiler: it isn't.

Basically the entire concept that they can't seem to grasp is that "something that happens naturally doesn't mean it is good or desirable". Pump the fuck against entropy.

 

[Shmuppers]

Well

Sorry op but now I'm excited for Ooblets too

And that other game looks amazing as well

 

[Weltall Zero]

Starting to see a worrying pattern here.
Does this happen in other languages as well?

I can say I can think of no examples in Spanish, which I'm a native speaker of. Ironically the example in the Simpsons would be wrong if the character's language is Spanish: in Spanish, "inflamable" means "burns easily", so he should not get confused. The opposite would be "ignífugo".

These games, for some unknown gaffers.

There is exactly one GAFer interested in Dreams? Yikes, how the mighty have fallen...

 

[bman94]

Sonic 2017. People are losing their shits over Sonic Mania (rightfully so) but ironically the big budget AAA Sonic game that's coming out this year is being overshadowed by the small budget retro themed Sonic game. Kinda speaks volume for what the devs are doing with Sonic Mania but I just find it funny that little to no speculation or discussion is around Sonic 2017. To be fair, they've only shown a trailer while Sonic Mania has shown actual gameplay but it isn't like the gameplay was extensive that we've seen.

 

[Cranzor]

You had to try to have your cake and eat it, didn't you? Have the last word and be the voice of reason that wants to stop derailing the thread.

Also I have to wonder if you would have suggested to move the conversation to PMs if it hadn't turned into everyone vs you.

You're addressing me instead of what I said. I hope you don't think all arguments are inherently angry or something. I was just trying to talk with you about a topic that I thought was interesting but this totally turns me off. Not only is it irrelevant but it also doesn't help your argument or convince others when you talk like this. It does the opposite. Notice how the other poster was respectful and didn't try to target me but rather what I was saying. Anyway, hope you have a good day.