Shangounchained
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Yeah yeah yeah, talking like a computer engineer working for sony .. or a chip factory everything to you is impossible, your motto must be possible is nothing!
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What if, a new playstation portable with bk compatibility from ps4-ps1
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Virex
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You can't fool me Boss Mog. I know you're an eidolon pretending to be a moogle. I'm on to you buster
goldenpp72
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No, because people don't buy systems specifically for stuff they already played. It would need to be done with new exclusives as well, and since a new portable can't use Blu ray you couldn't even gain that dual ownership perk. It would be an unsupported clusterfuck. Nintendo basically bailed on dedicated home consoles and for good reason. None of Sony's developers are likely interested in working on weaker hardware, play to your strengths and all that.
Shangounchained
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Doesnt have to support physical media you can simply download games and play ur old games using codes, yes the handheld is a gaming machine therefore it will have its own games plus ps5 streaming and ps4-ps1 bk compatible i dont see why people are fighting so hard against this idea.
CeeJay
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After reading both yours and everyone else's posts in this thread I get the impression that it's not so much that people are fighting against the idea, it's more that people are giving some good technical reasons why it's very highly unlikely that it will happen. You on the other hand seem to not be giving any technical reasoning as to how it can be possible other than you think it would be awesome!
Yes, it would be technically possible to create a device with lower specs than the PS4 and have every developer port their games down to it, hell you could even down port every game to the Switch. But, then it would cease to be a PS4 and become it's own platform. You are also out of your mind if you thing that you could have PS3 games running natively on a handheld in any shape or form. A streaming client for PS Now is the only way you are going to be playing those games on a handhold for the foreseeable future.
Vawn
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Exactly how did Nintendo prove this?
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Shut up and take my money.
goldenpp72
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Sounds a lot like a Vita, which has even less appeal now than it did before. You're literally coming up with a similar concept to one of the biggest flops in mainstream platform history. Next up, dual screen gaming on the TV, the next big thing?
Shangounchained
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Nope most of the guys here say its impossible not just highly likely, and you on another hand just add insult to injury by saying it will only be technically possible to create a handheld with less power than a ps4,
your all the same. You think you know it all.Shangounchained
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Vita didnt have bk compatibility and didnt play ps3 games it only streamed ps3 games, so it isnt vita its far superior to vita. So your excuse is irrelevant.
Vawn
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Vita bombed and Sony gave up super fast, but PSP definitely held its own. PSP has sold better than many consoles including the 3DS.
A new Sony handheld still won't be happening sadly.
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Shangounchained
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namaste....
Vawn
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With what? It played PSP, PS1 and PS2 games.
Obviously, it didn't have "backwards compatibility" with consoles more powerful than itself. It did, however, get it's own versions of a lot of PS3 games. Many of which were cross-buy, meaning you buy the PS3 version, you got the Vita version for free.
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Shangounchained
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Vita had its own flaws just like any console, like the ps3s early days and xbone, had sony taken time with vita and produced a better product then it would have been a different story, nintendo switch shows handhelds are here to stay.
MasterDerico
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Would be awesome, but nothing digital. Discs inside.
Even with that feature, i'll never sold my old consoles to all in 1 system. It's good for a emergency case if one of your old consoles die.
Even with that feature, i'll never sold my old consoles to all in 1 system. It's good for a emergency case if one of your old consoles die.
CeeJay
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I know enough although I would love to hear your take on how you think it could be done. Are you an only child?Nope most of the guys here say its impossible not just highly likely, and you on another hand just add insult to injury by saying it will only be technically possible to create a handheld with less power than a ps4,
Shangounchained
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I just read about that actually, but i feel like it wasnt vitas time and vita had alot of problems going about it, but a new handheld with 1080p support for all games from ps4 to ps1 is a good thing
ozz ex machina
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OP is insane. Seen his rants in another thread of console vs pc recently. I'm assuming he's about 12.
Shangounchained
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Who cares how its done infact nobody here knows anything about it being done or not, your only rumour mongering like women in a salon, before the switch came out most of you would be here chating all day long of all the impossibilities of a handheld running console multiplats, same reason people are still arguing over why and how series x is 12 tf.
Nobody here knows how, we simply know how when the device is out, my post is about whether such a handheld is a good idea or not, and not about whether they can make it or not.
Shangounchained
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And your about 80
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What anime is this? I could use some new
Shangounchained
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You dont know that.
DESTROYA
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Yeah I do, what tech would be able run PS4 games today in portable form that would have more than 30 minute battery life?
Virex
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CeeJay
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Thread is pointless...
Shangounchained
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Go ask chip manufacturers you wont get that answer in neogaf.
Fbh
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Not sure the tech is there, at leas to the point where you could do a system like that which would still be affordable.
And you need new games too. Every thread like this that brings up the Switch misses the point that the switch isn't selling because it has some last gen ports, it's selling because it has cool new games that people want to play (or ports of WiiU which are basically new games for anyone but the 50 people that owned a WiiU)
And you need new games too. Every thread like this that brings up the Switch misses the point that the switch isn't selling because it has some last gen ports, it's selling because it has cool new games that people want to play (or ports of WiiU which are basically new games for anyone but the 50 people that owned a WiiU)
DESTROYA
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I'm asking you?
Shangounchained
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OK so let's say it's "possible".
When? This year? Next year? In 5 years?
There are OBVIOUSLY multiple challenges that, while not making it impossible, make it highly unlikely.
Battery.
Cooling.
Storage capacity.
Physical size.
Various other issues such as controller ergonomics, robustness of the hardware, quality of the screen, marketability, physical game releases etc.
Then once all of those are dealt with you have the issue of cost.
I am sure that if Sony were to develop this thing they would want it to be really profitable since it would literally get less focus than their main home console.
Seems to me that you'd be looking at a massive price tag on something like this.
So while it might not be technically impossible it isn't going to happen anyway so what difference does it make?
Shangounchained
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Why ask me? That is ridiculously silly! Its like trying to write with saliva when u have a pen next to you.
I dont work for chip manufacturers and neither does anybody here i would think so best thing for you is to ask engineers who work for chip manufacturers or sony's engineering team, again im not here to talk about engineering possibilities and impossibilities, im here to talk about whether such a handheld would be good. Simple!
AGRacing
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I think the original PS4 chip on 7nm could be made into a portable. The jaguar cpu cores were designed for laptops, no? 7nm really changes the game.
The question would be does it help them sell more software? Do developers continue to release new titles on PS4 to accommodate the handheld ? Not sure.
I would buy it for that library though.
The question would be does it help them sell more software? Do developers continue to release new titles on PS4 to accommodate the handheld ? Not sure.
I would buy it for that library though.
Shangounchained
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All those challenges are irrelevant to a consumer and neither should you care, xbone is bigger than ps4 while being less powerful, nintendo switch has 2 versions they have a light version aswell,
How sony will make the tablet is none of anybody's concern and no manufacturer wants it to be all im interested in is the handheld being able to play ps4-ps1 games and stream ps5 games with and work with acceptable performance in all aspects including battery life.
Shangounchained
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Good answer!
I would think itll help sell ps4 software especially upcoming games like last of us 2 ghost of tsushima and so on... Plus lets say itll have its own library of games made for the device and streaming ps5 games isnt a bad idea.
DESTROYA
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Your argument is pointless if it's not feasible . I'm asking you becuase you made the thread not chip manufactures .
First true post you ever had
You got to have at least some basic knowledge about what's possible with today's tech and obviously you don't.
Its just not possible to have PS4 games run at 1080p (like you pointed out) without it either being massive and not portable anymore not to mention crazy expensive.
Well they are relevant. If it's going to cost 1000 bucks then I'm out.
If the battery life is only an hour? Out.
Need to by a separate 1TB sd card? Out.
Really loud fan or the unit gets really hot? Probably out.
How Sony will make the tablet is irrelevant because they won't make the tablet.
Would such a handheld be good? Seems like it would face many of the same challenges as the Switch but without the Nintendo exclusive games to pull it through.
Digital only with less storage space means people will buy less games.
Really, the main market will be people who haven't played a lot of the main PS4 games yet.
I don't see why you wouldn't just buy a main PS console unless you are almost exclusively interested in the handheld aspect. So that's an even smaller target audience.
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Shangounchained
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You
I said a handheld with acceptable performance and battery life, i never said 1000$ the xbox one x a 4k console is 400$ now so i dont know how or where u got the 1000$ from.
Stop forcing impossibilities try to be more positive.
You simply ignored what i wrote and answered anyway.
I said a handheld with acceptable performance and battery life, i never said 1000$ the xbox one x a 4k console is 400$ now so i dont know how or where u got the 1000$ from.
Stop forcing impossibilities try to be more positive.
Shangounchained
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My thread isnt about engineering or how to engineer a ps4 handheld, its simply about a ps4 handheld with bk compatibility being a good product!
But your turning it into an engineering topic.
DESTROYA
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Stop living in fantasy land and be more realistic.
-Arcadia-
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All I'm going to say, is that even as someone who always preferred the Nintendo handhelds, PlayStation handhelds were a great addition to the market, focusing on different things and a different style, and I really enjoyed them.
Gaming with pseudo-PS2 graphics with the PSP was such a fun experience at the time.
I don't know if there'd be that room for Sony today, as Nintendo has dialed down its quirkiness a bit, and shot for truly impressive handheld performance (which I know will trigger half of Gaf, but I don't post to appease REEEers), but Sony's run will definitely go down as part of the legend of handheld gaming.
I would love if they brought something new to market. I don't see how (BC is an interesting avenue), but I'd love to see another crack at their fantastic aesthetics, what could be under the hood (it's been three years since Switch), their feature-packed UIs, etc.
Gaming with pseudo-PS2 graphics with the PSP was such a fun experience at the time.
I don't know if there'd be that room for Sony today, as Nintendo has dialed down its quirkiness a bit, and shot for truly impressive handheld performance (which I know will trigger half of Gaf, but I don't post to appease REEEers), but Sony's run will definitely go down as part of the legend of handheld gaming.
I would love if they brought something new to market. I don't see how (BC is an interesting avenue), but I'd love to see another crack at their fantastic aesthetics, what could be under the hood (it's been three years since Switch), their feature-packed UIs, etc.
Ryu Kaiba
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The switch isn't "underpowered" it's a handheld and its $300. to accomplish the same with the power of the PS4 it would cost hundreds more and the battery life would be shite. A portable PS4 will be feasible but it will be a few years before its economical. By then I wonder if people would care.
But to answer your question yes I would want one.
nowhat
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A DualShock with an integrated Fleshlight would be a good product too, doesn't mean we'll see one any time soon.
Edit: actually, coming to think of it - it would be a great product. Who here hasn't completely lost it with some game and though "fuck this game!" - you could literally do that.
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So I've to pretend that a console that can't, and won't, be made in the next 5 years will be made because that's "positive"?
How about no?
Ryu Kaiba
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None of that matters in a corporation things change all the time. Sony is in fact going through major restructuring right now.
Vita is irrelevant, as we're referring to a handheld that plays PS1 -PS4 Games. Support is already done.
Shangounchained
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Its not about whether they are making it, your negativity is about your stand on battery life and 1000$ seems your pretending to make it inpossible