SCULLIBUNDO
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Won't happen. JJ wouldn't agree to a turnaround like that an Disney isn't stupid enough to eat into its own box office.
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What if Star Wars 7,8 and 9 is just more lightsaber dancing?
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Less of this ridiculousness-
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You make a good point.
Shadow of the BEAST
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orignal star wars the force was something subversive that lured in the background.
In the new ones. The force makes the jedis to superheroes with superpowers. And everyone jumps around like some parkour twats.
In the new ones. The force makes the jedis to superheroes with superpowers. And everyone jumps around like some parkour twats.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
You are totally right. But they so painted themselves into a corner with the backstory of the original movies. What exactly did we expect from a story about an Old Republic guarded by space wizards who wield magic/god force in the open like it aint no thing? I'm sure someone out there could have pulled that off... but in retrospect we should have seen the train wreck coming...
Acrylic7
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The names of the dance moves are hilarious. It took my 9 seconds to realize what Trash Compacter was.
hilarious.
I really hope that those movies wouldn't have a single Jedi as their main characters.
This would allow them to have proper look on the worlds and effects of an empire, instead of we Jedi good empire bad.
I'm sure the empire has done some good things as well. (what have the Romans ever done for us?)
This would allow them to have proper look on the worlds and effects of an empire, instead of we Jedi good empire bad.
I'm sure the empire has done some good things as well. (what have the Romans ever done for us?)
People seem to forget that the choreography in the originals was incredibly pedestrian and barely on the level of B-grade swashbucklers from the '40s. The reason they worked and are memorable is the fact that we cared about the characters and their conflicts with one another. As long as that is in place, it doesn't matter what style of saber combat is used. The characters are what sell it.
Further, I would be surprised if there was much prequel-style saber spinning considering the Jedi order basically has to be rebuilt from scratch. I would expect a more workmanlike style with a little bit of athleticism added in, a bit of a hybrid that could be believable as something Luke would develop from his style once given access to the Coruscant archives.
Further, I would be surprised if there was much prequel-style saber spinning considering the Jedi order basically has to be rebuilt from scratch. I would expect a more workmanlike style with a little bit of athleticism added in, a bit of a hybrid that could be believable as something Luke would develop from his style once given access to the Coruscant archives.
I don't care really, my main concern is that i can see the lightsaber duels, for all the lens flare
Here's how endor will look
There are 37 Ewoks in this picture.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Say what you will about Darth Maul, but that dude's footwork was impeccable. Sith lord of the fuckin' dance.
DiipuSurotu
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Came here to post this.
From a raw choreography standpoint, still the best fight in the series. Hits all the beats perfectly, all three characters fight and behave in ways that express their personalities and styles, and Ray Park is just on fire the whole time. If the rest of the movie gave you any reason to care about any of them it would be on par with Empire's fight. But instead it's just pretty pictures and John Williams kicking ass like it ain't no thing.
I still love the bit where Maul Force throws the rubble into the door panel to open the way into the reactor room he's luring the Jedi into, then does the massive saber spin with the extra loud and deep thrum sound effect. Man, what could have been. It boggles the mind.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I know exactly which moment and sound effect you're talking about, and I haven't watched that film in about six years. I also remember the music very well. I still think it's the worst movie of the PT overall, but that fight is one of the best moments in those three films.
Yeah, it'd be nice if they avoided that.
I'm probably in the minority here, but as famous as lightsabers and lightsaber duels are, it's generally one of the worst aspects of all the Star Wars films I think. At least the original trilogy used them sparingly (might be selective memory here, but I remember them being somewhat rare) so that a lightsaber duel felt important. Also helps that you could actually care for the characters for the most part, certainly not an asset the prequels could lean on. I think those two things made it possible to overlook the boring choreography.
Total oppsite with the newer trilogy. The prequels had them all over the fucking place to the point where they weren't at all "cool" or special as I assume they were originally meant to be. Not only that, the fights were so hilariously over the top and ridiculous looking. So, so bad :lol
But this is probably being way too hopeful as far as them not falling into that trap. I'm expecting more flashy garbage for kids, with lightsabers getting drawn every few minutes. Would love something interesting like Empire Strikes Back, but I doubt that'll happen.
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I'm probably in the minority here, but as famous as lightsabers and lightsaber duels are, it's generally one of the worst aspects of all the Star Wars films I think. At least the original trilogy used them sparingly (might be selective memory here, but I remember them being somewhat rare) so that a lightsaber duel felt important. Also helps that you could actually care for the characters for the most part, certainly not an asset the prequels could lean on. I think those two things made it possible to overlook the boring choreography.
Total oppsite with the newer trilogy. The prequels had them all over the fucking place to the point where they weren't at all "cool" or special as I assume they were originally meant to be. Not only that, the fights were so hilariously over the top and ridiculous looking. So, so bad :lol
But this is probably being way too hopeful as far as them not falling into that trap. I'm expecting more flashy garbage for kids, with lightsabers getting drawn every few minutes. Would love something interesting like Empire Strikes Back, but I doubt that'll happen.
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Both of these posts explain the potential problem so much more succinctly. And wow @ that episode 3 gif. Absolutely hilarious.Less of this ridiculousness-
And more of this-
"Generic Star Wars movie" just popped in to my head... Oh my.
EvilKatarn
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I think the Luke vs Vader fight in the end of VI is the best fight in Star Wars. Luke just goes mad and hacks away.
I do appreciate the choreography in the final fights between Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul and Obi-Wan vs Anakin. They are fun to watch but so idiotic when put in context. I would have expected more fury just like in the end of episode VI but got dudes dancing with lightsticks.
I hope Disney can put the emotion back in fights.
I do appreciate the choreography in the final fights between Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul and Obi-Wan vs Anakin. They are fun to watch but so idiotic when put in context. I would have expected more fury just like in the end of episode VI but got dudes dancing with lightsticks.
I hope Disney can put the emotion back in fights.
Bob Anderson
-Once stabbed Errol Flynn.
-Choreographed the Star Wars original trilogy
-Choreographed Highlander
-Choreographed The Princess Bride
-Choreographed the Lord of the Rings trilogy
-Choreographed Pirates of the Caribbean
Nick Gillard
-Was a stuntman on Waterworld
-Holds a Guiness World Record for being on fire
-Choreographed the Star Wars prequel trilogy
-Choreographed some Angelina Jolie movie called "Wanted" where assassins bend bullet trajectories
-Still more amazing than me
-Once stabbed Errol Flynn.
-Choreographed the Star Wars original trilogy
-Choreographed Highlander
-Choreographed The Princess Bride
-Choreographed the Lord of the Rings trilogy
-Choreographed Pirates of the Caribbean
Nick Gillard
-Was a stuntman on Waterworld
-Holds a Guiness World Record for being on fire
-Choreographed the Star Wars prequel trilogy
-Choreographed some Angelina Jolie movie called "Wanted" where assassins bend bullet trajectories
-Still more amazing than me
Less of this ridiculousness-
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That entire showdown between Luke and Vader is just incredible; Vader's taunting of Luke, toying and testing him, the lines of exposition delivered brilliantly by Earl Jones, Vader becoming more aggressive as the battle continues and the tension rising until you get the seminal reveal. The lighting, set design and direction are also phenomenal.
DeaconKnowledge
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Anakin was a padawan the first two movies. There was a massive Jedi Battle in episode 5 too.
The Sidious/Yoda battle is a good example though. Just watching that battle can you tell that Yoda is supposed to be far superior?
radios shipping overview
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But if the movies were about galactic dancing, I'd be fine with that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKs1L9wYyQ#t=1m15s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKs1L9wYyQ#t=1m15s
Less of this ridiculousness-
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Seriously. This explains the problems better than any words can.
PhoenixDark
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They will likely suck, might as well admit it, but the script should at least be better than the prequel trilogy. Perhaps my main request would be an actual film shot in multiple locations, not just a pure green screen monstrosity. The prequels have no soul or sense of wonder due to nearly every shot being an effect. As a kid I loved the first trilogy because it truly took me to another world, from Yoda's swamp to the rebel base on that ice planet. Based on the trailer it seems like the new Star Trek is falling for the pure cgi trick so I'm doubtful Star Wars will be any different.
The Die Another Day sword fight was actually pretty awesome and way better than anything in the prequels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsAGOx84oWI
Discotheque
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Ummm yah bob Anderson is a pretty obvious choice here. The swordfights in lotr and pirates were fucking great
They should get Viggo to play a Jedi
Davey Cakes
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Looking at those comparison .gifs and thinking about the duels in the two trilogies, I will say this:
In the original, it at least seemed like the characters were required to use more caution and strategy since they were using devastatingly powerful weapons and a single slip up could mean the loss of a limb or worse. The fights in the prequel trilogy felt less "dangerous" I guess, and that's even with the huge lightsaber death counts in AotC and RotS.
I hate to echo the Plinkett review but c'mon, upon reflection the prequels were shoving lightsabers in your face constantly which removed every bit of mystique and tension surrounding the weapon. In the original, when someone pulled a lightsaber out, you knew they meant business.
RotJ had one example of a "yay, lightsaber!" moment though, in the beginning when Luke saved everyone from the desert vagina.
In the original, it at least seemed like the characters were required to use more caution and strategy since they were using devastatingly powerful weapons and a single slip up could mean the loss of a limb or worse. The fights in the prequel trilogy felt less "dangerous" I guess, and that's even with the huge lightsaber death counts in AotC and RotS.
I hate to echo the Plinkett review but c'mon, upon reflection the prequels were shoving lightsabers in your face constantly which removed every bit of mystique and tension surrounding the weapon. In the original, when someone pulled a lightsaber out, you knew they meant business.
RotJ had one example of a "yay, lightsaber!" moment though, in the beginning when Luke saved everyone from the desert vagina.
Discotheque
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Well it's only gonna get worse with Disney behind it imo.
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why would you think this?
JoshuaJSlone
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Man, I wish Star Trek was going the all CGI route. Then at least the 3D release wouldn't be a conversion.
Discotheque
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they're all about the brand here more than the quality of the actual film probably. Hence the reason why they're making like 6 movies within the next few years. Does Han Solo and Boba Fett really need standalone films? Fuck no, but it's happening.
They will absolutely not allow a film where lightsabers will be treated like the mythical weapon they should be. Instead it will just be flashed around every damn scene, I bet.
I'll watch this in theaters but I have little hope of it being a good film. Series ends at Empire Strikes Back.
edit: location shooting would be great. the all CG thing loses its charm pretty fast.
brandonh83
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Yeah, taking a gif of what is clearly a sort of quick-draw where they try to guess when the other will strike that lasts for like 3 seconds in a 6-7 minute fight involving two warriors at the height of their energy and comparing it to a gif of something else in a totally different context is making a great point about the constructive quality of a sword fight. There are a number of far more comparable moments in that fight that should be the ones being compared to that Empire gif but I realize that this is more or less a selective thing in favor of hating on the prequels.
I have my problems with the prequels too and I can sympathize about the acting and writing, but holy shit, some of the complaints are as downright ridiculous as some of the love scenes in Episode II.
I have my problems with the prequels too and I can sympathize about the acting and writing, but holy shit, some of the complaints are as downright ridiculous as some of the love scenes in Episode II.
Agreed. Some people are so butthurt about the prequels (which are FAR from the worst films ever made) that they refuse to see any of the redeeming qualities of the films and find any trivial thing they can to tear them down.
In the case of the lightsaber duels, yes they are different from the OT, and it's not a negative thing. The OT films are a mix of classic western swordfighting mixed with some Japanese techniques. The PT is more influenced by the more acrobatic styles of kung fu and wuxia films (Ray Park, who played Darth Maul is a wushu master).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flv7FMysBMU
You gonna tell me that is just pointless dancing and twirling?
Ray Park was the true star of the new trilogy, and he went out like a bitch in the first movie.
Robot Pants
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Best reviews of all time. I was glued to the screen and screaming hallelujah every 2 minutes
6 minutes and 25 seconds in. You're welcome (...ahahahahahaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
Actually this whole sequence really lacks any hint of menace. Even the harshness of the environment is completely negated by all the stupid sound effects like the cartoony siren and the stupid, Lego-like droids. Ugh.
Darth Tigris
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Less of this ridiculousness-
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If you were at all trying to be fair, you wouldn't have picked the absolute BEST part of the BEST duel from the OT and one of the throwaway, out-of-context moments from the best fight of the prequels (I love you Darth Maul, but your fight wasn't conceptualized or shot near as well as the big episode dueliciousness).
But this is the internet. Fair is a luxury ...
Davey Cakes
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Well, I don't directly compare the gifs anyway. Thinking over the fights in general, the OT ones had a lot of good moments where the PT ones had less good moments and often fell flat, even when they were really showy and artfully choreographed.
A more accurate direct comparison is comparing the part in the gif where Luke is on the ground with a lightsaber in his face to the part in the RotS duel where Anakin has Obi-Wan pinned with his lightsaber. Similar in some ways but there was just "something more" to the Luke and Vader case. It probably has more to do with buildup and characters than anything, though.
I do disagree with those who say there's nothing good about any of the lightsaber duels in the PT. I think some of them were at least entertaining on a visual level, just not in feeling.
Anticitizen One
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It will probably be May 2016
Anticitizen One
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I'd go with Bob Anderson personally
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But we didn't know who is mother was, why he was so forlorn, what lead him to a life of crime We need to have flashbacks before each lightsaber fight that delves into the childhood and rough adolescents of each fighters social background before we can truly know if a fight was just "well choreographed" or if it was objectively "good." Feeling, soul, emotion. Those things are what made The Matrix so popular, not kung-fu.
That's what I was thinking. The lightsaber battles in the prequels aren't that bad. I mean, that one gif loops nicely, but that is like, a split second of the entire fight. They were loads better than the love story, anyway. I'll agree it'd be nice to get some good dogfights going, though.
The man calling the shots on this is the man who built Pixar. Pixar, you may recall, also puts out a movie every year, with a pretty amazing track record.
There is no possible way the new Star Wars movies are not going to be expertly crafted. They paid billions and know damn well this is their chance to revitalize the brand and win back legions of adult fans who were alienated by the prequels. Kids will like it regardless, because it's Star Wars, but if they can make it a movie that grandparents will see twice on their own, like the original 1977 film, that's where the true potential value of the brand lies. They know this. Making a legitimately great movie is the absolute smartest thing they can do here from a marketing and money-making standpoint.
The most interesting thing about the new movies so far is how the internet's reaction to them is highlighting just how much damage the prequels did to a certain demographic's opinion of the overall brand. Great Star Wars stories have been told multiple times outside of the original films, but for some reason nobody believes the people behind Pixar and the Marvel Cinematic Universe are up to the challenge.
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