I haven't been able to GAF as much as I wanted to today but from the few threads that I made it to it seems like some people are itching to throw in the towel for MS or classify them as something less than "in the console game" going forward. Curious that.
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I haven't been able to GAF as much as I wanted to today but from the few threads that I made it to it seems like some people are itching to throw in the towel for MS or classify them as something less than "in the console game" going forward. Curious that.
JumpCancel
Banned
I'm not the one using plug and play incorrectly. Don't hate me, hate the English language.
All languages change over time and are rarely used verbatim at all times.
Unless you want to tell me how games here are actual hot garbage or shit.
JumpCancel
Banned
Language is forfeit. Skullface was right.
Don't understand your second point. Could you elaborate?
nkarafo
Member
For me it used to be the whole "plug and play" thing. but nowadays, this is fading away.
Current gen consoles remind me more of pre-configured PCs for living room/couch play. Some things that used to be inconvenient for PC games are now even worse on consoles, like patching/updating games. Broken games are almost as big of an issue as it is on PCs too.
On the other hand, PCs are more user friendly than they were in the past, thanks to STEAM mostly. I can even use my PC on the big TV and make it feel like a console with big picture mode.
Basically, the only thing that separates PCs from consoles is the pre-configured hardware that doesn't require you to install drivers.
Current gen consoles remind me more of pre-configured PCs for living room/couch play. Some things that used to be inconvenient for PC games are now even worse on consoles, like patching/updating games. Broken games are almost as big of an issue as it is on PCs too.
On the other hand, PCs are more user friendly than they were in the past, thanks to STEAM mostly. I can even use my PC on the big TV and make it feel like a console with big picture mode.
Basically, the only thing that separates PCs from consoles is the pre-configured hardware that doesn't require you to install drivers.
Must be your persecution complex.
People here call games hot garbage and shit here all the time. Being so literal that must mean that people are some how playing heated stuff that people have thrown away and fecal matter.
A console is a controlled content delivery platform.
Surprised to see the uproar over Xbox ones plans to unify windows and xbox and shift to a software first, hardware second philosphy. Especially since most people are applauding Nintendo for possibly doing this exact thing with NX.
Surprised to see the uproar over Xbox ones plans to unify windows and xbox and shift to a software first, hardware second philosphy. Especially since most people are applauding Nintendo for possibly doing this exact thing with NX.
JumpCancel
Banned
But they are not using those terms in a literal sense. They are describing what the game is like metaphorically.
Your previous counter points to mine were based on the idea that consoles are plug and play. They are objectively not, and I'm sure you did not use the term metaphorically as those who describe games as "shit" do.
If you had argued the point "consoles are much more streamlined than PC's" you'd be bang on, objectively correct. However that wasn't the stance you chose to argue.
Liquid-Swords
Member
The answer will blow your mind.
You win dude congrats, I'm glad we can finally agree that it was merely semantics as I stated a while back. I made clear many times what I meant by plug and play, I didn't just use the term.
Moving on as this has long lost any real meaning of progress.
JumpCancel
Banned
You just changed your descriptor. I'm glad you saw the light regarding the nature of "Plug and Play" and it's weak application to consoles.
I enjoyed our talk.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
I didnt say there wasnt a firmware update day one. In fact I specifically said there was one but it wasnt needed to start playing.
When you dont bother to read the very post you are quoting you lose any and all credibility.
In my post you initially responded to I posted how I hooked the system up on launch night and started playing and you called it bs thus calling me a liar.
If you dont want to get called out then dont accuse others of posting bullshit or being liars.
And then you post some fanboy bullshit about psn being constantly down.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
The point I've been getting at is that the ps4 is as plug-and-play as a modern console is going to get without going back to cartridges.
Obviously its not as plug-and-play as the snes/genesis etc but I dont think we will ever see another console that is honestly.
(I dont count the wii u as modern because of its lack of power, online network that is years behind psn/live, and the fact that games dont install).
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Low cost, living room focused game devices that the majority of people won't have to upgrade for about 5 years.
I can see how ms sees smart phones and thinks people will want to upgrade at the same pace but I doubt they do. I know people who are mad they had to upgrade from ps3 to ps4 for cod last year.
I can see how ms sees smart phones and thinks people will want to upgrade at the same pace but I doubt they do. I know people who are mad they had to upgrade from ps3 to ps4 for cod last year.
Crayon
Member
I'm pretty sure they are getting out of the console game.
Apparently it's up for interpretation. There's a contingent that seems to believe that xbox will have some sort of eternal life in ms cloud heaven.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
This is the one I would have picked.
It's a computer. A specialized computer. But still a computer. It wasn't always this way but it is now.
Saintruski
Unconfirmed Member
since when is it permissible for plug and play for count downloading/installing a lot of the gaming, downloading patches, updates, no split screen. What happened to the days of dropping the disc in and going straight to game? Consoles have long been playing fast and loose with the definition console, slowing crossing the line to PC realm since last generation.
Personally when i lost the ability for my friend to come over and sit next to me on the same console and TV AKA split screen (which is where i use gaming on a comfy couch from, you could never really do that on a PC other than certain games) for most games they started crossing the line into PC territory
Consoles are plug and play user friendly social experiences IMO
All of which is achievable on PC, as a PC gamer myself but easier on a console
Personally when i lost the ability for my friend to come over and sit next to me on the same console and TV AKA split screen (which is where i use gaming on a comfy couch from, you could never really do that on a PC other than certain games) for most games they started crossing the line into PC territory
Consoles are plug and play user friendly social experiences IMO
All of which is achievable on PC, as a PC gamer myself but easier on a console
CosmicGroinPull
Member
-The reason AAA games exist.
-Gives me reason to own a big TV
-Gives me reason to own a big TV
Kindred Dread
Neo Member
PCs aren't made specifically to sell games.
A console is machine mainly dedicated to playing games. It's not plug in and play anymore, it's not a meme, etc
Why is this even a discussion? Let's debate what a PC is. Sure, it's a personal computer, but a Mac is a computer and can be personal, no? Stupid.
Saintruski
Unconfirmed Member
thats to broad, consoles lack a broad amount of features PCs have, and are a closed platform making it not a PC. So they are still walking a fine line between console and PC, so maybe "static affordable low-mid range PC hardware which games are optimized for with network integrated/reliant OS and games, some media focused apps included."
They still have mandatory ~50gig installs.
I thought of something similar to this, as did a lot of posters below you.
Castlevania FTW