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[MrBenchmark]

You were accusing someone of revisionist history when for most people the distinction between the two events just doesn't matter, they're not deliberately altering what happened just misremembering. You remember it despite your stroke because the detail matters to you.

Not accusing anyone of anything but when deliberately posting something i would rather it not be altered how many times does a lie need to be repeated before it becomes fact? And no I'm not calling anyone a liar.

 

[AngryNapkin]

well hold on boy. Wii was amazingly fun and actually better evolution of console control system. It is my favorite system with tons and tons of unique and amazing games that neither ps3 or xbox had. It made gaming accessible to me and many( i do not like complex games or control schemes).

It deserve every sell it got so please do not down play its success. It is not gimmik and there is a thread here with game recommendation i invite anyone to check it out. wiiu got away from the things that made wii good thus not doing good.IMO.

It's pretty much the best example of gimmick I can think of. You don't sell 65 million, 45 million, 35 million, 22 million in a continued losing streak then explode to 100 million just to have it wind up in 80% of people's closet or in the trash, without something about it that is a gimmick.

The Wii U selling less than 15 million EOL further exasperates that point.

 

[PoweredByHentai]

This is not revisionist history, but how memory works and is part of Microsoft's problem. Both Sony and Microsoft had small reveal events that were relatively close to big E3 events. In a lot of people's memories these have both merged into single events. Microsoft tried to distance themselves from their reveal by their E3 showing, but the damage was done, they could not erase what had happened. Sony's E3 may have been lacklustre but it didn't matter as their reveal was so strong.

Microsoft pretty much confirmed the whole DRM thing on the Thursday before their 2013 E3 Press Conference. That would make it something like 2-3 days before the most important conference they have. =/

Sony's PS4 reveal event was on February 20 of that year whereas it sounded like Microsoft ended up postponing the Xbone's reveal even to May 21 instead of April.

I distinctly remember the PS4's reveal date because that was when NeoGAF was having its meltdown due to 8 GB of GDDR5 unified RAM.

 

[Melchiah]

It definitely had an impact. The DVD "kit" was only $20 or so and included a remote, but in the mind of the consumer, that was $20 more they had to spend. Additionally, Microsoft didn't promote this feature the way Sony did. Perhaps if they ate the cost and advertised it more it would have sold better, though I believe the PS2 would still have led with a large disperity.

But the PS2 didn't ship with a memory card even though it could play non gaming movies, you couldn't save your games and you could with an XB out of the box due to the HDD. So it was tit for tat. Who's to know if that actually meant anything to anyone at the time though and if it was noticeable or affected. Some people are swayed by small things though. I don't think the DVD player had a huge affect in the US, it did in other countries but when the $299 PS2 released here in the States I already owned a standalone DVD player I bought for $150.

Like I said, I dunno how much it affected the sales. Probably not much, as it certainly didn't stop the 360 from selling, that they were nickel–and–diming with proprietary Wi-Fi and HDD add-ons. Memory cards were standard for consoles before the first Xbox though, so in that sense the PS2 was no different from its predecessors, including the same gen competitors DC and GC. And the PS2 was the only console of that gen, which played DVDs out of the box.

 

[Kosma]

Playstation = Football

Football = World