DanielJr82
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Why Panasonic? What's wrong with the other brands?
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Well this post is about 100% false. Yes plasmas are a little more reflective. No they don't buzz, yes the difference in fast movement content like video games and sports is measureably and obviously better in plasmas. My 57 year old mom thinks my plasma looks better than her LED. It's plainly obvious. Image retention and burn in? This isn't 2003. I GM a restaurant with cheap Hauer plasmas and even they don't have burn in and they are on 12 hours a day 7 days a week for 2 years now. My plasma that I watch tv on and gaming on has never had IR or burn in you are flat wrong.
Panny has best black levels, best for fast motion, best and most accurate colors, just better. I'd only buy LCD/LED if I wanted a tv outside or in a sun room.
Are you saying you compared tv's using a Wii running at 480p?
If you didn't compare HD games (especially 60fps games) then your comparison was a waste of time.
I was just saying that if it's for gaming he might want to also look into getting a large monitor as a option it doesn't have to be anything like the monitor I posted it was just a suggestion something to look into.
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
What would be a good HDTV in the $500 range? Plasma is sadly just out of my range even though i would mostly use it for gaming.
Had to check the posting date. Nope, not posted in 2007. What?
This thread has perfect timing. I'm more or less looking for the same as the OP (LED HDTV, 40-42", ideally less than 800$/700euros, I'm in Euroland), but the main problem for me is the input lag. That spec is not given out by manufacturers and it makes it kinda hard to find a model with confirmed low input lag. I've been scouring AV forums and fighting games forums for the last few months, but I haven't found the dream yet. If you have any specific models, that'd be awesome.
AppleSmack
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Amazon delivered my 60" Panny plasma yesterday!
It had a giant crack in the screen so they have to send me a new one.
Damn that sucks. I hate when products are damaged during shipping.
Amazon delivered my 60" Panny plasma yesterday!
It had a giant crack in the screen so they have to send me a new one
that´s what you get for buying a plasma...
no sorry.. just kidding.. I would be really mad.. I have just bought a 42"LG860W which will arrive on monday, and I REALLY hope they handle that TV wih care, there is a long way for the TV to travel to me.
Amazon delivered my 60" Panny plasma yesterday!
It had a giant crack in the screen so they have to send me a new one
It's probably not Amazon's fault. They contract out the shipping to local freight companies, and a lot of those have their heads firmly up their own asses. The company that delivered my ST30 55" sent one old man to carry a 100 pound TV up a flight of stairs. At almost no point after the TV got off the truck was it in the proper orientation (a plasma's glass can crack if you flip it over or on the side). He kind of scooched it up the stairs into my house, and I had to help him carry it up a flight of stairs. Once up there, he had no idea how to put it together, so he had us flip it upside down in an attempt to get it onto the base, when really it should have just been slotted onto the base from the correct orientation. Luckily, no obvious damage was done, but I've got a note on file in case any cracks appear.
Tl;DR: Shipping companies aren't very intelligent.
image retention maybe, burn in? I don't think so.
TheDarkStark
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Plasma is shit. They're big, run hot, power hungry, heavy, and they are spectacularly bad in any kind of naturally lit environments (if you have big windows, you better have incredible blinds/shades).
LED Backlit LCD has a slightly worse picture/contrast ratio, particularly on deep blacks, but other than that it's far superior to Plasma.
LED Backlit LCD has a slightly worse picture/contrast ratio, particularly on deep blacks, but other than that it's far superior to Plasma.
The first ST30 I ordered from Amazon never arrived. The second one finally made it but was 2 days late. For some people things go smoothly but for others...well, lets just say some incompetent people work at these delivery companies.
Plasma's are consistently rated at the top year after year for a reason. Your opinion is factually wrong. $20 a year more is far from power hungry. They're not that heavy unless you're a frail old lady and my ST30 is only warm to the touch.
I disagree.
My Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M (along with the 101FD) is considered the best flat panel display ever made, as far as picture quality is concerned.
No I'm not blaming Amazon. In fact they made the exchange process very painless and I'd absolutely recommend buying from them if someone is looking for a TV. I'm not even necessarily blaming the shipping company, as the box was in pristine condition. I'm not entirely convinced it left the factory in working order.
If the box was in pristine condition, it's almost a certainty that someone along the chain of custody flipped the box over and cracked the TV. There's a hundred pounds in there (more for a 60" probably) and the pane of glass was only designed to be strong in the one orientation. Shipping companies don't hire people that can read, so they are probably the most likely culprit. Anything's possible though.
Like you said, the ease of exchange is probably Amazon's greatest feature.
Just out of curiosity, did the shipping company send two dudes to install your TV, or one? I'm still pissed at them for only sending me one guy (I had a 46" LCD that weighed nothing delivered a few years ago, and they sent two people for that >< but not for a 100 pound plasma).
Slayer-33
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Wow really?
I thought TV's guzzled up a lot more power than that. That sounds great
Arthursw1
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For OP, I bought this Samsung 40" LED 3D TV at Best Buy last week for gaming and my experince has been great, games like uncharted 3 or killzone 3 look great with 3D on and it's in your price and size range I believe.
here is the link:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...p?id=1218672942709&skuId=5612003#tab=overview
here is the link:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...p?id=1218672942709&skuId=5612003#tab=overview
Alligatorjandro
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I have the 46 inch version of this tv.
have fun with the phosphor lag. Or hope you're one of the lucky people that don't notice it.
I've read somewhere that only a small percentage of people notice it, probably the same people that notice that godawful DSE on LCD/LED.
ThatCrazyGuy
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wth, plasmas are not shit. Power hungry is an overstatement. It's not that much more per year.
They do run hot though. Kinda sucks in the summer time, especially in a small room.
Winter is awesome though, get dat heat baby.
They do run hot though. Kinda sucks in the summer time, especially in a small room.
Winter is awesome though, get dat heat baby.
bought this one under $500
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN32EH5300FXZA-specs
user reviews says it's good. what does gaf think
How are LG TVs these days?
I know someone that works at Wal-mart, and they get 20% off this month. They don't have a great selection of TVs on their Canadian site, but I am looking at this TV as a possible purchase
Also, I can't have a plasma. My living room is way too bright.
I know someone that works at Wal-mart, and they get 20% off this month. They don't have a great selection of TVs on their Canadian site, but I am looking at this TV as a possible purchase
Also, I can't have a plasma. My living room is way too bright.
I can only imagine "What's the best FPS on PC?" -- cue all replies to buy an Xbox 360 & Halo 4. That's basically what this is. You should all feel really really bad. /not entirely serious
So, one other issue with plasmas that wasn't mentioned here but plasmas you HAVE to buy big, if you want 1080p. Good luck finding a 42" or less 1080p plasma...
Personally I recently bought a 37" LED LCD by Panasonic with extremely low latency that looks as good as as a CRT HDTV to me. It's true that the motion is less than perfect, but it's roughly equivalent to the phosphor trails I used to get on my CRT.
So, one other issue with plasmas that wasn't mentioned here but plasmas you HAVE to buy big, if you want 1080p. Good luck finding a 42" or less 1080p plasma...
Personally I recently bought a 37" LED LCD by Panasonic with extremely low latency that looks as good as as a CRT HDTV to me. It's true that the motion is less than perfect, but it's roughly equivalent to the phosphor trails I used to get on my CRT.
ihearthawthats
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some people like to buy tvs for picture quality? how outrageous.
My 42" Panasonic GT50 draws only 120 watts and barely gets warm. It's also extremely slim. So, just wanted to make the point that plasma has come a long way since Czigga got his TV
Again, my GT50 most certainly isn't power hunry and nor does it run at all hot. It's just as slim as a LED, although the besel is a little wider. It's certainly heavy compared to my ES8000 though due to the glass panel, I'll give you that.
Also my ES8000 LED isn't just slightly worse than the GT50 plasma when it comes to blacks, it's a night and day difference, especially in dim lighting conditions. I never watch movies on the ES8000 for this reason. Also you forget to mention viewing angles - the ES8000 looks particularly washed out when viewed from the sides, with the blacks turning to blue. Then there's the clouding, although luckily my set isn't too bad. Finally, the motion on the GT50 is vastly superior, especially with 60fps games where there isn't an ounce of motion blur or ghosting.
As my ES8000 is in my office, it tends to run Sky News all day which would probably kill my GT50 to be fair, unless I wanted a permanent logo on it. I also think ES8000 holds up slightly better during the day as it can go much brighter. But for evening viewing and gaming, the GT50 plasma wins hands down, it's not even close.
StarCreator
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I regularly deal with four types of displays for gaming: a Toshiba 60" DLP, a Panasonic 65" Plasma, a Spectre 46" LCD (traditional backlight), and a Samsung 46" LCD (edge-lit LED). The DLP is 720p, the other three are 1080p.
The Samsung LED has the worst picture quality of the four displays by a very large margin. It has a viewing angle sweet spot of maybe 5-10 degrees; anyone outside the sweetspot gets treated to a gray, muddy mess of a picture. The edge lighting is so uneven that dark scenes look like they are surrounded by tiny little spotlights on all sides. The only saving graces for this display is that it is thin and light enough to be hung on the wall by a literal thread - the official mount kit is nothing but steel wire and wall anchors.
The DLP has the best picture quality of the bunch, but being a very old display, scaler lag is a big issue. I still game on it occasionally but it is suboptimal, despite how good things look. It has a "game mode", but for whatever reason it's not available on the HDMI input, and it doesn't seem to be all that much of an improvement anyway.
The plasma outclasses the cheapo LCD, but not nearly as much as it outclasses the Samsung. The plasma loses points against the DLP for having very visible sub-pixels (I can see the subpixel jitter from ten feet away - easily the biggest issue with a flat-panel display of a very large size) but it has almost equal performance in terms of black levels. The LCDs aren't even close in that department, of course.
Summary: Edge-lit LED is overpriced garbage. Buy anything else.
The Samsung LED has the worst picture quality of the four displays by a very large margin. It has a viewing angle sweet spot of maybe 5-10 degrees; anyone outside the sweetspot gets treated to a gray, muddy mess of a picture. The edge lighting is so uneven that dark scenes look like they are surrounded by tiny little spotlights on all sides. The only saving graces for this display is that it is thin and light enough to be hung on the wall by a literal thread - the official mount kit is nothing but steel wire and wall anchors.
The DLP has the best picture quality of the bunch, but being a very old display, scaler lag is a big issue. I still game on it occasionally but it is suboptimal, despite how good things look. It has a "game mode", but for whatever reason it's not available on the HDMI input, and it doesn't seem to be all that much of an improvement anyway.
The plasma outclasses the cheapo LCD, but not nearly as much as it outclasses the Samsung. The plasma loses points against the DLP for having very visible sub-pixels (I can see the subpixel jitter from ten feet away - easily the biggest issue with a flat-panel display of a very large size) but it has almost equal performance in terms of black levels. The LCDs aren't even close in that department, of course.
Summary: Edge-lit LED is overpriced garbage. Buy anything else.
JRW
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Riighht.. and yet looking at CNETs current Best HDTV list the Top 5 are all Plasma models.
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-high-definition-tvs/
Its funny how some people always pull the sunlight card on plasma's, It's true LCD performs better in bright environments but Plasma is no worse than the CRT's we used to run in this regard.
I've always wondered what DLPs look like. They never released in the UK. Same for HD CRTs.
Cornbread78
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Go to a NA Wal-Mart and pick up the LG 47" LED 1080P 120hz. Looks great and does everythign you need and it's only $598 right now, use the extra money saved and buy yourself a PS3 and an HDMI cable for Blu-Ray....
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-47LS4500-47-1080p-120Hz-Edge-LED-HDTV-1.4-ultra-slim/21693003
http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-47LS4500-47-1080p-120Hz-Edge-LED-HDTV-1.4-ultra-slim/21693003
They only sent one.
It wasn't a big deal because I work for a company that sells and installs TVs so it was delivered to a shipping dock with a crew of guys that unload TVs all day. If I had it delivered to my house, my wife or I would have had to help him carry it in.
Picture quality is the single most important factor in selecting a display for me. The physical size, power consumption, and heat output mean nothing in the face of a great image. The decrease of all of these variables has become important to manufacturers at the expense of improving image quality and it's very disappointing to me. I don't give a shit if the TV I hang on my wall is less than an inch thick. That doesn't have anything to do with image quality and means nothing to me. Why is that a selling point? You're post is basically saying that LCDs are better at everything outside of picture quality. That's a resounding sales pitch.
In a way, though, I wish it were that simple to upgrade. I would like a larger display and now I'm faced with moving my TV to Europe which is even more difficult. It would be easier to leave it behind and buy new.
Problem is, after spending time testing the latest models, I've determined that there simply is not a better option for me than the Pioneer Kuro Elite that I'm using now. There's just no way around it. Even Pioneer's own recent LCD line just can't deliver the same image quality.
The Elite provides an obscenely clean and crisp image completely devoid of any processing artifacts, if you select the proper settings. To some people, the difference will seem subtle, but once you've experienced it yourself it's hard to go back. I find LCDs to be far too harsh and over-saturated even when dialing down settings but, more importantly, the backlight technology STILL prevents delivery of ultra deep blacks. Even those sets using locally dimmed LED backlights fail to match the natural richness of a Kuro Elite. No other plasma comes close either.
When I finally spent quality time with OLED displays this year I was disappointed to see that black levels, while extremely good, really weren't much darker than the Kuro while the color accuracy was inferior. When OLED displays are released at a large size I may finally be able to retire the Kuro if they are done properly, but until that day, there's nothing I can do.
Of course, to most buyers, this isn't an option as these displays are no longer made. Even in the face of that, the best Panasonic plasmas on the market today are much closer to LCDs in dimensions and power draw while delivering a superior picture.
I displayed in the arc time of two months more than one hundred hours of SF4 with all the hud on plus some other fighting games every now and then and i don't have any burn in... mine is a 2007 TV.
I snagged a Panny GT30 after some research and lots of recommendations from GAF last fall, it's been a bittersweet experience. The set arrived with blown speakers. Techs came and picked it up and kept it for 2 months. Eventually they just shipped me a new TV. I did the break in thing, kept the contrast low as hell till about June, then calibrated the picture. Everything was going great... then I played Dark Souls.
If you play Dark Souls DO NOT buy a Plasma. It's the only thing that has actually managed to burn the screen. Now I have an Estus Flask and a Soul Counter in every game. While I do love the hell outta Dark Souls, I don't love it that much.
If you play Dark Souls DO NOT buy a Plasma. It's the only thing that has actually managed to burn the screen. Now I have an Estus Flask and a Soul Counter in every game. While I do love the hell outta Dark Souls, I don't love it that much.
JRW
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Ive been gaming heavily on a 2008 model Pioneer Kuro plasma (purchased Dec 2007) and haven't experienced any burn in whatsoever, The TV currently has a little over 20k hours of use according to the service menu.
Interesting, thanks. I saw a plasma in the shop when I was looking around that had burn in from sitting on a DVD menu most of the day and that worried me.
Cornbread78
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http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-47LM47...-Soundbar-HDTV-Bundle-1.4-ultra-slim/21693007
yes, it includes the soundbar, but a great budget TV.
If your looking to spend more and go with active 3D, there are a ton of other models available and I'd recommend the Samsung 7000 series (1080p, 240hz, 3D, LED 15,000,000:1 contrast ratio)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...6792.p?id=1218551142967&skuId=4846792&st=7000 series samsung led&cp=1&lp=3
That is a good price for the LG. Would you happen to know what the differences are between this one and the newer models? Would those differences even matter?
ACH1LL3US
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I totally understand where your coming from.
I too have and had MANY Pioneer Elite plasmas, (pro110,pro111 and pro-1150) all Kuros. The thing that bothered me the most with them (1080p ones) was the phosphor lag in gaming, it was much more apparent on 60fps content and DSE.
I have recently looked at alot of tv's in the stores, nothing looks as good as the Pioneer Elites or the Sony HX909 tv I have.
No, the Panasonics are nice but they are just not in the same league.
I have come to use my gaming pc on the Sony HX909 local dimming LED. IMHO its the last great Sony tv as the HX929 suffers from far worse DSE and vertical banding then any tv I have owned before.
Displays right now are in a pretty bad state for those that desired picture quality as the number #1 priority like us. Just one walk around the Magnolia section today versus 3 yrs ago is a HUGE difference.
Steve McQueen
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This. I own a LED and a plasma. Games look way better on the plasma.
Cornbread78
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Wal-Marts models are usually 1 year behind, and the difference is usually just in the componants and the visual specs (Contrast ratio, etc) So not much of a difference this late in the year. Most new models launch late March/April anyhow. LG is one of the only models of TVs I trust from Wal-Mart and are their best value models (well above Vizio)(Samsung and Sony are the others) However, if I'm going to buy a Sony of Samsung TV, I'm going to buy from Best Buy orr another hign end electronics store because they carry the higher end models. That TV is just a great value at teh price and give you everything you would need, including the sound boost from the Soundbar.
We have an old Pioneer PDP-5060HD 720p/1080i plasma, and it's great. Depending on who you talk to, image retention is either a dealbreaker or no big concern. I was fairly paranoid early on, and I did notice IR when I'd play stuff like Super Mario Galaxy for several hours at a time. You'll almost always notice it on UI/ticker stuff.
There was one time, though, where I had to leave town for an emergency, and when I went to turn my DirecTV box and TV off, only the box turned off. IIRC, this is why there was a static DirecTV logo displayed indefinitely while I was gone... for *2* weeks straight. I had that giant D logo burned in on my screen, and it took months for it to go away... but it eventually did. So, I don't really pay much heed to IR concerns. I have yet to experience anything permanent, whereas my parents' 51" Hitachi RP had sidebars permanently burned in on the screen from watching a lot of SDTV. It was terrible and I'm glad they replaced it.
Ultimately, visual quality is in the eye of the beholder. Some people aren't satisfied until they have a perfect environment with an ISF-calibrated set. Some folks don't mind out-of-the-box cool color temperature over-sharpened torch mode. Me, I used to care deeply about these things. Nowadays, I don't really give a shit. We still have that plasma, a 32" Sharp Aquos gaming LCD, a 32" LG LED LCD, and my Dell U2711 for my PC. I invested the most recently into my PC monitor since I do a fair amount of photo work. "Good enough" works for me in most other cases - all of these displays are very different from one another - but YMMV.
There was one time, though, where I had to leave town for an emergency, and when I went to turn my DirecTV box and TV off, only the box turned off. IIRC, this is why there was a static DirecTV logo displayed indefinitely while I was gone... for *2* weeks straight. I had that giant D logo burned in on my screen, and it took months for it to go away... but it eventually did. So, I don't really pay much heed to IR concerns. I have yet to experience anything permanent, whereas my parents' 51" Hitachi RP had sidebars permanently burned in on the screen from watching a lot of SDTV. It was terrible and I'm glad they replaced it.
Ultimately, visual quality is in the eye of the beholder. Some people aren't satisfied until they have a perfect environment with an ISF-calibrated set. Some folks don't mind out-of-the-box cool color temperature over-sharpened torch mode. Me, I used to care deeply about these things. Nowadays, I don't really give a shit. We still have that plasma, a 32" Sharp Aquos gaming LCD, a 32" LG LED LCD, and my Dell U2711 for my PC. I invested the most recently into my PC monitor since I do a fair amount of photo work. "Good enough" works for me in most other cases - all of these displays are very different from one another - but YMMV.
My wife and I are moving into a new apartment on December 1 and we are planning on buying a new HDTV on Black Friday to celebrate... and also because the image is starting to go bad on my 37" Westinghouse LCD that I bought back in 2006. (There's significant burn-in, but it doesn't look like anything that we've ever watched, which is weird.)
I don't think a plasma set is going to work out well in the new apartment, because it seems like we're going to get a lot of sunlight in the living room. Of the remaining options, is LCD or LED preferred? Are there any particular brands or models we should be on the lookout for during the sales? Our budget is going to be around $500-1000. I'll be using the TV for some gaming, but not a lot - mostly watching Blu-rays and HD television.
I don't think a plasma set is going to work out well in the new apartment, because it seems like we're going to get a lot of sunlight in the living room. Of the remaining options, is LCD or LED preferred? Are there any particular brands or models we should be on the lookout for during the sales? Our budget is going to be around $500-1000. I'll be using the TV for some gaming, but not a lot - mostly watching Blu-rays and HD television.