That would actually be pretty cool, but I don't think his soul can get us that much.
It would be cool since Magneto is one of the few things the movies have nailed (mostly).
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What is the deal with Marvel and the X-Men?
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That would actually be pretty cool, but I don't think his soul can get us that much.
It would be cool since Magneto is one of the few things the movies have nailed (mostly).
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Really? Surprised personally. There are a lot of things wrong with Apocalypse, maybe it's because I have an affinity for X-Men since I watched the cartoon growing up, but man, I really genuinely didn't like Ultron and thought Apocalypse was the better film.
Uh... but it was?
AOU was flawed at best but every fox Marvel movie save for Deadpool has been trash. And Deadpool is only good because it separates itself from the rest of that shitty "cinematic universe" and was made in isolation.
depends on his backstory.
I mean this all sounds reasonable and stuff but I think I'm gonna go with Marvel wanting to destroy the X-men in all things.
Secret Wars was a nice ending to FF too in a way.
Nobody ever signs indefinite contracts unless you're near out of cash
Well I enjoyed Cyclops and other things, we going to pretend the X-men haven't been spinning their wheels since The Twelves? Between that and New Avengers reviving the avengers brand it hasn't been a good 20 years for x-men.
BlastProcessing
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Avengers 2 Rotten Tomatoes 75%
X-men: Apocalypse Rotten Tomatoes 48%
You can prefer Apocalypse to Ultron, but to say it's nonsense to have the opposing opinion is a bridge too far.
By every metric, Fox's X-men movies have underperformed Marvel's films.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
But I've heard from the DC fandom that Disney pays their critics. Can't trust the scores man
Should be noted that this is Marvel's decision, not Disney. Marvel and Lucasfilm operate independently of Disney, for the most part (especially Lucasfilm).
Every MCU movie is better than X-Men: Apocalypse. Yes, even Thor: The Dark World. Apocalypse was garbage.
Every MCU movie is better than X-Men: Apocalypse. Yes, even Thor: The Dark World. Apocalypse was garbage.
Frozenprince
Banned
A combination of not wanting to be connected to the hot mess that is Fox and not having the creative talent left in house to be able to put second string guys on books and have them sell.
Marvel's writing and artistic stable used to be much deeper, so they could put guys on books they were leaving on the wayside and it'd still end up okay or good. That's not the case anymore.
Marvel's writing and artistic stable used to be much deeper, so they could put guys on books they were leaving on the wayside and it'd still end up okay or good. That's not the case anymore.
I mean that's the real problem with the X-books right? No one has had any good ideas for a long term direction for the X-men brand in good while. We keep getting these mediocre writers because either no one else wants to do it, or if they do, they know they don't have anything better to offer so why bother?
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
X-Men had some good spots in the last 20 years, but it's mostly been trash.
Frozenprince
Banned
Well yeah, they continue to rest on "THIS IS AN ALLEGORY FOR RACISM" but that's about as deep as they are willing to go anymore. So it's just a constant string of shit without any real narrative depth or meaning. The X books have been involved with every single major event sans Secret-Wars for the last 4-5 years, the issue is, all those events sucked ass.
They pissed off and drove off the only real writers they had left that gave a shit about the X books.
Frozenprince
Banned
I mean really what needs to happen is Marvel needs to cut Grant Morrison a blank check and let the dude have complete control over the X books for the next five years, and then once he leaves, not IMMEDIATELY destroy everything he did.
excelsiorlef
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Fuck I'd say the X-Men haven't been bonafide amazing since OG Claremont era.
Outside of some of the stuff they did with Cyke and maybe Magneto.
Better than getting great writers with shit ideas like Superman has a habit of doing.
Frozenprince
Banned
Fucking Orson Scott Card, repugnant a human being as he is, couldn't cut a good Superman story and that's a legitimate fucking writer not a dude that makes a living writing picture books for grown ass adults.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I would say they did a great job with the Black Ops X-Force( with Wolverine leading the team) was one of the few things that made those characters interesting.
Vermillion
Banned
Also, this deal thing was responsible for one of my favorite jokes of a recent comic
LMAO
So basically, the paranoia from X-fans has been justified this entire time... gotcha lol
I love man but let me top that.
J. Michael Straczynski the man that created Jayce and The Wheel Warriors is responsible for one of the most boring and trite superman arcs ever
JMS:" Lets have Superman walk across the country and tell people to be better."
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
X2 and Days of Future Past were trash?
Come the fuck on.
I'd take those two over any MCU movie aside from Iron Man 3.
entremet
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I still think the conceit of the X-Men and mutants is much more interesting than Cap and Iron Man and friends.
Unfortunately, Fox has rarely hit the high notes with the franchise.
The Avengers are boring and one note. Feign does a decent job with the franchise, but they're a snoozefest thematically.
Unfortunately, Fox has rarely hit the high notes with the franchise.
The Avengers are boring and one note. Feign does a decent job with the franchise, but they're a snoozefest thematically.
Frozenprince
Banned
I had legit forgotten that entire run it was so fucking dull. And I have literally every single thing JMS has ever written.
Why is it so damn hard to write a dude in his underwear that punches aliens?
I hated DoFP so much...
pseudocaesar
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Nah man, people seem to forget how well received the original X-Men movies were until X3 The Last Stand came out and kind of just soured the whole trilogy.
RT Scores;
X-Men: 83%
X-Men 2: 86%
X-Men 3: 58%
Then the reboot series suffered pretty much the same fate;
First Class: 86%
Days of Future Past: 91% (Only the first Iron Man and Avengers film rate higher)
Apocalypse: 48%
Basically, in both trilogies, the first 2 were extremely well received, then suffered third film syndrome and just tanked the whole lot in peoples eyes. Its like that BTTF gif where Doc explains how Spiderman 3(?) was so bad it ruined the whole trilogy.
I still hate him for how long it took him to do The Twelve
Frozenprince
Banned
Because aside from a few parts of the first couple movies and First Class, every single thing that made the X-Men unique in the first place has never even really been discussed. They might as well be using Wildstorm characters, because there is nothing about the cinematic X-Men that makes them distinct from the Avengers other then their powersets.
I'll always be grateful to Hickman for practically making it a FF event. Fitting "end" for the universe.
Ninja Scooter
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They probably just want to prioritize the IPs that make them the most money (I.E. anything in the MCU). Saying they want to destroy the XMen brand, so that they can get it back (destroyed), makes no sense.
entremet
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Well that's my point. Fox has a better property for storytelling IMO. But they've barely taken advantage.
KuwabaraTheMan
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They've been doing their best to actively destroy the X-Men in the comics.
Frozenprince
Banned
Just gimme this one time and I'll see it in theaters like 10 times.
MHWilliams
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Marvel is not trying to handicap the X-Men.
They just see no reason to push stuff they can't make money on in multiple markets.
If you can push 10 books and 10 movies, it's better to focus on the stuff you own across the board and gain full profit from.
Marvel already has the additional rights for Spider-Man on TV, merchandise, and other platforms. The Sony deal means they get Marvel's name and input for the movie and Marvel gets a chance to make sure Spider-Man is great, meaning more merchandise sales and people watching the cartoons.
Or at best, it's just "sons and stepsons" at its finest.
Vermillion
Banned
Just gimme this one time and I'll see it in theaters like 10 times.
They need to make Xavier do it first so it has weight.
And are we still waiting on an "Avengers Assemble"? Yeesh
why do people love anthropomorphizing publicly traded companies
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
+ They have to share the revenue stream generated from merchandise with FOX if derived from film. As you said, they'd rather have 100%, than 50%.
Though one can say that the relationship shared between both FOX and Marvel hasn't been a friendly and mutual one since the MCU hit its stride.
excelsiorlef
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Yeah but then we'd have to have Gambit and Jubilee doing their poor person's impressions of Wolverine and Kitty... no thanks
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