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[quackamole]

Fox should just sell the movie rights for x-men and fantastic 4 back to marvel for a decent price. They can't seem to make any decent movies out of it and marvel isn't interested in helping unless they get the right back.

That way at least we the fans can get some decent movies out of it and MCU can get bigger and better.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Fox should just sell the movie rights for x-men and fantastic 4 back to marvel for a decent price. They can't seem to make any decent movies out of it and marvel isn't interested in helping unless they get the right back.

That way at least we the fans can get some decent movies out of it and MCU can get bigger and better.

They just made a shitload of money off of Deadpool and have Logan next year. Your post is not based on any sort of reality.

 

[Anth0ny]

Fox should just sell the movie rights for x-men and fantastic 4 back to marvel for a decent price. They can't seem to make any decent movies out of it and marvel isn't interested in helping unless they get the right back.

That way at least we the fans can get some decent movies out of it and MCU can get bigger and better.

F4 maybe

X-Men I can't see them outright selling the movie rights back. At best, we'll get a Sony deal where Fox and Marvel work together on new X-Men films, and the X-Men characters would be allowed to appear in MCU films.

I think Fox will be watching the performance of Spider-Man Homecoming very closely. they can't be pleased with how much money their stand alone Wolverine/X-Men films are making.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Mutants would be a sub-species of Inhumans who produce their own Terrigen.

The word inhuman would never be uttered again.

 

[Hierophant]

is being a huge fuckin jerk who only ruins movies and makes bad decisions a prerequisite to become a movie executive? if so can i sign up seems like ez $$

 

[GuileBootCamp]

You guys are thinking too small. Disney should just get it over with and buy Fox. Then they'd have X-Men, Dr. Doom, AND Aliens, too.

Spoiler

/s

Spoiler

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[excelsiorlef]

I'm a huge Gambit fan, but there's no way a Gambit movie is going to have a $150m budget. Maybe production and marketing budget combined, but not just production. There are a few directions a Gambit movie could go and work well (X-Men vol. 2 #33, Asmus ongoing series, first arc of the Nicieza ongoing, a heavily reworked version of the first Gambit miniseries, or even an Uncanny #266-267 adaptation), but none of them require a budget any higher than what Deadpool got.

Also, the X-Men movie continuity needs to be rebooted after Logan and be based on the 90s team. This is the time to do it, with Deadpool in the new continuity since it wouldn't break anything more than Deadpool generally does anyway.

Why should it be based on literally the worst era of X-men literally ever?

 

[excelsiorlef]

I wonder what the reaction would be if Fox rebooted the X-Men series with a faithful movie adaptation of Night of the Sentinels.

That should be their "break glass in case of emergency" movie.

I don't personally know a lifelong X-Men fan that didn't wear out that Pizza Hut VHS.

People need to seriously let that cartoon go....

Fox should just sell the movie rights for x-men and fantastic 4 back to marvel for a decent price. They can't seem to make any decent movies out of it and marvel isn't interested in helping unless they get the right back.

That way at least we the fans can get some decent movies out of it and MCU can get bigger and better.

Any decent movies? LOL Fantastic Four sure but X-men, where is the narrative coming from that Fox has never gotten a decent movie from the X series? If naything they've gotten more decent movies than clunkers, only two of them are really bad that being X3 and Origins.

 

[GuileBootCamp]

Why should it be based on literally the worst era of X-men literally ever?

Because, regardless of any opinions of it, it's when the X-Men were at the peak of their popularity and arguably the most iconic version of the X-Men in pop culture to this day.

Also, the pre-Claremont era is probably the literally worst literally ever.

 

[Frozenprince]

Why should it be based on literally the worst era of X-men literally ever?

Because that's the one people know.

 

[Parallax]

Why should it be based on literally the worst era of X-men literally ever?

you think the 90s are worse than the 00s and beyond?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

The 90s is where the X-Men hit their peak with their popularity. We can see it with the cartoon and video games at the time. For better or for worse it will stick with the franchise for years.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Because, regardless of any opinions of it, it's when the X-Men were at the peak of their popularity and arguably the most iconic version of the X-Men in pop culture to this day.

Also, the pre-Claremont era is probably the literally worst literally ever.

Pre-Claremont doesn't even really count. as it's their own little 60s thing.

And they weren't at their peak in the 90s because of quality, good storytelling and good characters, they were at their peak because it was the speculator's boom and Claremont had just made them Mavel's hottest property.

And nothing with Gambit as a lead is the most iconic lineup....

you think the 90s are worse than the 00s and beyond?

90s is literally the worst decade for comics period.

00s gave us Whedon's run on Astonishing, that alone is better than anything the 90s had to offer.

 

[Akainu]

Storm played by Beyonce.

ugh

 

[excelsiorlef]

Also X-Men Evolution > TAS

TAS fucked up every comic storyline they tried to do except maybe, maybe the whole Phoenix Saga. (Days of Future Past in TAS is literally a mess)

Evolution did its own thing while staying true to the spirit of the X-Men.

 

[GuileBootCamp]

And nothing with Gambit as a lead is the most iconic lineup....

I'm really sorry Kitty wasn't in the spotlight at all for the majority of the 90s and it was definitely unfair and uncalled for, seriously. God Loves, Man Kills and Days of Future Past are absolutely top tier X-Men stories, but if you're looking for a fight here, you're gonna have to give me til tomorrow because this MvC4 mess already has me up way too late and I've got work in the morning.

I promise I'll kick shit back and forth with you about our favorite characters tomorrow, though. I subscribed to the thread.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'm really sorry Kitty wasn't in the spotlight at all for the majority of the 90s and it was definitely unfair and uncalled for, seriously. God Loves, Man Kills and Days of Future Past are absolutely top tier X-Men stories, but if you're looking for a fight here, you're gonna have to give me til tomorrow because this MvC4 mess already has me up way too late and I've got work in the morning.

I promise I'll kick shit back and forth with you about our favorite characters tomorrow, though. I subscribed to the thread.

Actually I should have been more fair, it's not just Gambit, it's Jubilee too...

 

[Parallax]

P

90s is literally the worst decade for comics period.

00s gave us Whedon's run on Astonishing, that alone is better than anything the 90s had to offer.

........whew, you almost got me.

 

[Tizoc]

90s is literally the worst decade for comics period.

00s gave us Whedon's run on Astonishing, that alone is better than anything the 90s had to offer.

90s still had some good comics published during that period-
The Demon
Robin
Hellboy
Bone
Deadpool
Priest's Black Panther run
Morrison's JLA
The Vertigo series (and any Vertigo title continuing from the 80s)
There are good stuff here and there, but the 90s did have some good comics published during that era.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Also X-Men Evolution > TAS

TAS fucked up every comic storyline they tried to do except maybe, maybe the whole Phoenix Saga. (Days of Future Past in TAS is literally a mess)

Evolution did its own thing while staying true to the spirit of the X-Men.

This is the truth. Evolution was a much better X-Men cartoon than fucking TAS was.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Also X-Men Evolution > TAS

TAS fucked up every comic storyline they tried to do except maybe, maybe the whole Phoenix Saga. (Days of Future Past in TAS is literally a mess)

Evolution did its own thing while staying true to the spirit of the X-Men.

I can agree with this.

 

[watership]

Pre-Claremont doesn't even really count. as it's their own little 60s thing.

And they weren't at there peak in the 90s because of quality, good storytelling and good characters, they were at their peak because it was the speculator's boom and Claremont had just made them Mavel's hottest property.

And nothing with Gambit as a lead is the most iconic lineup....



90s is literally the worst decade for comics period.

00s gave us Whedon's run on Astonishing, that alone is better than anything the 90s had to offer.

So much this. Where artist rights went haywire, power shifted to artist creation over writing control, and shit just went wrong. In some cases it did lead to new bold changes in imagry, but overall it was a lost decade in comics. Especially at Marvel. Pouches, guns, andeveryone always in uniform holding a pose.

 

[The Silver]

Evolution started getting really good towards the end.

 

[y2dvd]

I still don't get how Apocalypse was so bad when they practically had the same team as DoFP.

 

[IrishNinja]

How can you say that when they once gave Chuck Austen an X-men book

i think what was even weirder at the time was chuck "the talent" austen rushing to undo the greatness that was grant's run

JMS:" Lets have Superman walk across the country and tell people to be better."

it's the Rising Stars sequel we deserve

 

[IdreamofHIME]

MvC4 without Wolvie is gonna be weird as fuck, but maybe Black Panther can fill that gap.

The irony that the Xmen were the progenitors of this fighting franchise and now they've been kicked out. Fucking sad.

 

[exmachina64]

The X-men are my favorite corner of superhero stories and Cyclops is my fav superhero but I wish Disney would go all out and cancel all X-men stories, cut them out of the comic universe, stop any and all X-men merchandising they can. If their reasoning for putting a mild effort into X-men comics is to hurt their appeal, thereby hurting Fox and the film environment, then just go all out and get rid of them in the comics. Because I'm tired of the comics doing nothing with X-men, no new X-men cartoons, etc. Just get rid of them and let's see if it causes Fox to either make an amazing X-men cinematic universe in response or if it will play a role in Fox and Marvel working something out

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[Subpar Spatula]

I would rather FOX keep the rights. X-Men alone is better than MCU. X-2 gonna give it to ya.

 

[Timeaisis]

How long does Fox have rights for, anyway?

 

[number11]

Do we really want every single Marvel franchise using that same family friendly MCU formula? A film like Logan or Deadpool would never get made at Marvel Studios.

The X Men is better of at Fox.. but they definitely need to sell back the Fantastic 4 rights back.

 

[Slayven]

Fox needs to stop being terrible. They have good material why not use it?

WB takes more chances than they do

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I shudder to imagine an X-Men that's extremely quippy.

 

[ZoronMaro]

It sucks cause my two favorite Marvel characters are X-Men (Wolverine and Deadpool), but if the bring back cool B-listers to take their place I'm fine.

Bring back Blackheart.

Spoiler

Ruby Heart too

 

[TuXx]

Do we really want every single Marvel franchise using that same family friendly MCU formula? A film like Logan or Deadpool would never get made at Marvel Studios.

The X Men is better of at Fox.. but they definitely need to sell back the Fantastic 4 rights back.

Yep.

I ain't sacrificing Deadpool and Wolverine for a decent fantastic four. Fuck that.

 

[Matty77]

Also, the pre-Claremont era is probably the literally worst literally ever.

First thirty issues, especially the ones with Stan sure.

Once Roy Thomas took over though not only are there some gems but the art was getting really good until low sales forced them to just reprint.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Isn't there a new X-men comic coming out soon? All of this talk of killing the brand is very surprising to me. It seems like they are still prominent.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

What, you guys had a thread about Marvel and the X-Men while I was asleep? That shouldn't be allowed.

The MvC4 news really stung even if it was obvious but I still have a tiny flame of hope, at least until the actual announcement. I understand the business reasons for Marvel being petty little fucks but what gets me is in interviews with the Marvel higher-ups, whenever someone brings up the X-Men, we always get the same answers: "what are these conspiracy theories? We love the X-Men. We put just as much effort into their comics as the rest of the universe..." The only thing they're accomplishing is that they are making comic fans even more bitter and that upcoming relaunch already looks like a low effort.

A deal really needs to happen, no matter how unrealistic that is. I don't want Marvel to get the X-Men movie rights as they work best separetely (anything post House of M proved that) but what if Fox traded the Fantastic Four for the X-Men merchandising rights or at least the videogame rights? Probably a dream scenario but I would be fucking pumped.

MvC, X-Men vs Street Fighter, X-Men Legends 1 & 2, X-Men Origins Wolverine, hell even those old Genesis games, I love me some X-Men games.

 

[Memento Mori]

I love man but let me top that.

J. Michael Straczynski the man that created Jayce and The Wheel Warriors is responsible for one of the most boring and trite superman arcs ever

JMS:" Lets have Superman walk across the country and tell people to be better."

Includes that classic scene where Superman destroys some dealer's stash and asks a kid to talk to the dealer for him.

It's somebody else's problem now!

 

[J2 Cool]

The only movie to put them all together on screen

 

[Renekton]

I shudder to imagine an X-Men that's extremely quippy.

Astonishing X-Men I think

 

[excelsiorlef]

Astonishing X-Men I think

That was moderately quippy.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

That was moderately quippy.

The quip ratio was pretty high imo but it was Whedon at his most tolerable. That Wolverine beer joke in the second arc got me pretty good. Not really a quip though I guess.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The quip ratio was pretty high imo but it was Whedon at his most tolerable. That Wolverine beer joke in the second arc got me pretty good. Not really a quip though I guess.

Since he was pre-badass Cyclops at the time Cyke's joke about giving such a boring speech that even he was bored was also a great joke.

Astonishing is a solid set of stories that capture the good the Claremont run with some great Whedonism mixed in and it has a great roster.

Honestly it's why I'm psyched for the new teams.

They're both interesting plays on classic rosters...

Hopefully the new blood get some good play in Gen-X and we'll get some other X-books to run with some of the other cool characters....

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

The hate of FOX is strong in this thread.

Y'all going to act like The Avengers: Age of Ultron was better than X-Men: Apocalypse.

Nonsense.

It is. Miles better.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The hate of FOX is strong in this thread.

Y'all going to act like The Avengers: Age of Ultron was better than X-Men: Apocalypse.

Nonsense.

As someone who didn't actually dislike Apocalypse, AoU is by far the better film

 

[breakfuss]

The hate of FOX is strong in this thread.

Y'all going to act like The Avengers: Age of Ultron was better than X-Men: Apocalypse.

Nonsense.

lol this has to be a joke.

 

[hidys]

The X-men are my favorite corner of superhero stories and Cyclops is my fav superhero but I wish Disney would go all out and cancel all X-men stories, cut them out of the comic universe, stop any and all X-men merchandising they can. If their reasoning for putting a mild effort into X-men comics is to hurt their appeal, thereby hurting Fox and the film environment, then just go all out and get rid of them in the comics. Because I'm tired of the comics doing nothing with X-men, no new X-men cartoons, etc. Just get rid of them and let's see if it causes Fox to either make an amazing X-men cinematic universe in response or if it will play a role in Fox and Marvel working something out

I doubt Fox would care all that much whether or not there are X-Men comics in print. I mean they stopped putting out Fantastic Four and that hasn't phased them. Besides the idea of a world without X-Men comics just sounds so wrong to me. They might be getting some shitty treatment from Marvel but they are still one of the most important comics in history and it would just feel wrong to wipe them from the Marvel Universe entirely.

 

[Can Crusher]

If I was running the place, I would basically make the X-Men disappear until Fox played ball.

It's simple.

 

[excelsiorlef]

If I was running the place, I would basically make the X-Men disappear until Fox played ball.

It's simple.

You're only hurting yourself....

Comics don't sell movies...

If anything movies sell comics

But really it's more comics sell comics

 

[broncobuster]

The only movie to put them all together on screen

Well, he brought balance to a force.