Marvel's TV output is a hell of alot darker than their films.
Also, the Deadpool filmmakers have stated that they were influenced by the MCU films and it shows. I much prefer Deadpool come to the MCU than the X-Men, as he'd be a much better fit.
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Marvel's TV output is a hell of alot darker than their films.
Also, the Deadpool filmmakers have stated that they were influenced by the MCU films and it shows. I much prefer Deadpool come to the MCU than the X-Men, as he'd be a much better fit.
friskykillface
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#FreeDoom
Such a missed opportunity to have iron man 4 featuring dr doom vs tony stark
Then doom wins and kicks off the age of doom
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No wolverine in marvel vs capcom 4 is gonna suck
X men carried marvel in the 90s , more than Spider-Man right?
Such a missed opportunity to have iron man 4 featuring dr doom vs tony stark
Then doom wins and kicks off the age of doom
😎
No wolverine in marvel vs capcom 4 is gonna suck
X men carried marvel in the 90s , more than Spider-Man right?
excelsiorlef
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#FreeDoom
Such a missed opportunity to have iron man 4 featuring dr doom vs tony stark
Then doom wins and kicks off the age of doom
😎
No wolverine in marvel vs capcom 4 is gonna suck
X men carried marvel in the 90s , more than Spider-Man right?
80s.
No carried Marvel in the 90s... they ya know went bankrupt
Includes that classic scene where Superman destroys some dealer's stash and asks a kid to talk to the dealer for him.
It's somebody else's problem now!
Remember how he taught everyone how to be friends?
You mean the show where the XMen are all teenagers?
excelsiorlef
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Yes but they weren't all.
Like I said it did its own thing while respecting the spirit of the X-Men
blame space
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has anyone ever done an X-Men story that's an allegory about the way modern marvel treats its X-Men franchise?
Wasn't that AvX?
Storm played by Beyonce.
I thought this thread was about treating the X-Men better, not worse.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Well, Death of X seems to be aptly named at least.
Tizoc
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X-Men Evolution deserves more love !
It was a story about a school for mutants, Wolverine was not the focus, the lineup was awesome, Gambit was basicaly a cameo and it had some really cool moments
GuileBootCamp
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So anyway, what's your beef with Gambit? Curious to know.
I understand the whole "He replaced my favorite on that damn cartoon!" perspective, but it could really be argued at this point that he's had it worse now for years than any character left out of that cartoon did, starting when they cancelled his first ongoing just to "trim down the X-Men line" despite it selling well. Then being trash-talked by creators at conventions, being left out of, marginalized, or embarrassed in most major X-Men stories post-Messiah Complex, completely shafted in the movies, etc. The solo movie made Gambit's fanbase feel like he could maybe make a comeback, then it's been stuck in development hell. The dude can't catch a break.
It's been damn rough to be a Gambit fan for a long time, now. Really, it's just the solos/minis, nostalgia, and belief in the potential of the character keeping us going at this point.
Can Crusher
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Comics and Games. Why should Disney help Fox sell toys and movies, and Tv Shows?
Run a company.
I can remember watching The Avengers: Age of Ultron but I keep forgetting that I watched X-Men: Apocalypse and it only came out this year.
If you Marvel comic book movie then yes but if you mean Comic Book Movie in general then no Superman and Batman predate those.
At best Blade, X-Men and Spider-Man brought about a rebirth of Comic Book movie after Batman and Robin caused it to fall out of the public eyes.
old manatee
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Channing Tatum's Gambit is the only star I have left to wish on.
Not sure why they're pissed about it. They were going bankrupt and they sold off their properties. It's not like Fox went in and stole the X-Men movie rights from them. This goes for all of the properties Marvel let go of voluntarily.
goldenpp72
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I've never liked this fued. Didn't selling these movie licenses basically keep them afloat,then the movies made bank opening up a new venue to make money, to which they are making ass loads now? If my perception is right Marvel seems like a petty brat.
No they weren't. That's a myth. Their business was stable when they started selling movie rights. They just did not foresee themselves as a movie studio. Now that they are, they have every reason to want to focus on leveraging the IPs they fully control.
The bankruptcy thing happened in the mid-90's, but they started optioning off their characters in the 70's. They created a branch of their company back then specifically to do that, and not out of desperation.
Future PhaZe
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Curious to see what happens with Fantastic Four over at fox
NeonZ
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I don't think any money would convince Fox - just look at the merchandising situation. With Spider-man, Sony was quick to give up on the merchandising rights for their movies in exchange for an upfront payment, but Fox refused that, even though Marvel could just stop all merchandising and so they wouldn't make any money out of it - something that did end up happening. So, we have the current situation, where the X-Men movies have no merchandising at all and the brand in general also has almost nothing. There's clearly some pettiness from Fox in this conflict.
excelsiorlef
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He's the epitome of what I hate about 90s comics. Flash over substance. Cool over story. He's knock off Wolverine in the same way Jubes is knock off Kitty Pryde.
He's just a total boring character
That said I'm looking forward (hopefully) to the movie because I think Tatum is awesome.
torre_avenue
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I want to believe Fox is just waiting to see how much money Homecoming is going to make before making a deal. At this point, Fox working with TV means that Perlmutter is having less of an influence than before on Marvel as a whole. The whole Inhumans push was allegedly his, anyways. With Studios being separate, I'd imagine the door has been opened at least to talks on how to get the F4 back. Feige's obviously not going to reveal shit about any prospective talks, considering the Spidey talks were revealed because of the Sony leak. So, here's what I see: Fox knows F4 is scorched Earth for the next 3-4 years. They can either wait until the years have passed again or work with Marvel on a deal. Waiting means they'll get 100% of the movie's profits but they risk fucking up again and really poisoning the brand for a longer time. A deal means they won't fuck up the brand but might lead to reduced profit. Fox might push for a Sony deal where they get all the movie money and the rights to make spin-offs without Marvel. Feige knows how important the F4 are to Marvel's history and how important they are to kick-starting a new franchise and expanding the MCU, both cosmically and hero-wise.
In short, both parties know what they have: Fox has the keys to Marvel's future and Marvel has the magic touch Fox desperately needs. All one party needs is the upper-hand and I'm guessing the negotiations will follow.
Perpetuity. If it's anything like the F4 contract, the rights expire if a movie doesn't go into production 7 years after the time the last movie went into production. I'd imagine the deals were pretty standard for all the characters, but considering the issues with Namor and Hulk, there's a bit more in terms of legal hoops they'd have to jump through to fully get all the rights back.
GuileBootCamp
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He's been written that way a fair amount, but I'd also argue he's been written to have a good amount of depth and complexity in places, too. X-Men vol. 2 #33 might be the best single issue Gambit story, and the Nicieza solo did a lot to add layers to him. I liked his role a lot in the X-23 solo, as well, and his own recent solo by James Asmus did a lot to bring the fun back to the character while also serving as kind of a meta-commentary on how he'd been misused in the main books for a while.
I also don't see him as a knockoff of Wolverine. He's too much of the type to talk his way out of things or solve problems with lateral thinking to be like Wolverine. He's also got much more humor than Wolverine. Wolverine's got the one liners, but Gambit has a humorous way of thinking and problem solving a lot of times.
bunbun777
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Not true. Jim Lee xmen #1 huge seller with 5 cover variants. McFarlane revitalized amazing Spider-Man and introduced Spider-Man #1 and it's cover variants. 90's were the end of big money comics. Beginning of image comics when them and liefeld, Larson, Valentine, Silvistri and....darn can't remember the seventh artist left marvel.
Edit... Portacio. Guess it really was just early 90's...
excelsiorlef
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That X-Men success issue is directly off of the success of the 80s X run.
I mean that issue was written by Claremont.
I think Marvel has it backwards. Comics aren't the gateway to these characters. I got interested in comics because I wanted to know more about the characters that were in my favorite cartoons and videogames (X-Men and Spiderman). If it wasn't for VS series, I'd probably never had picked up a comic book. They are just hurting the X-Men products they still have control over.
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You're part of a very tiny minority. Neither cartoons nor games (nor movies) push people towards the books, they just push people towards more cartoons and games. If there's a way to grow comic book readership, they haven't figured it out beyond the bloated yearly crossover events.
Comics will never be as big as they used to be until both Marvel and DC fully embrace digital platforms and modern pricing to go along with it. I credit Marvel for taking steps in that direction with Marvel Unlimited, but DC is staunchly fighting the move to digital spaces. Nobody goes to comic shops except for long time fans, so it'll remain a dying industry until someone wises up and takes the first steps necessary.
Pop-O-Matic
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FTFY. At that point in the series the editors have given most of the creative control to Lee. Claremont's job was basically to fill in word balloons on a comic Lee had already drawn.
GuileBootCamp
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I think the cartoons and games pushed people towards the books a lot more in the 90s than they do nowadays, but the main reason for that is accessibility. I bought my first X-Men comic from a grocery store, as a fan of the 90s cartoon. I also bought comics more than once from Toys R Us, K-Mart, and some other stores. It was a lot easier to just stumble upon comics back then, and as a fan of something, it's only natural you'll pick is up and check it out if it's right in front of you. Nowadays, the only consistent ways to get physical comics is from comic shops, or ordering online. Hopefully digital comics continue to catch on more, because they're the most accessible delivery method of getting comics, now. But it still has the problem of requiring you to actively seek them out.
It's a point that comes up regularly in these discussions that comics aren't easy enough to find at physical retail. I used to be able to find them in supermarkets and video stores and flea markets in the 90's. It seems like an easy step to take these days would be to put the MCU and DCEU characters (the ones everybody sees at the movies and on TV) in places like CVS, Family Dollar, Trader Joe's, Starbucks - places where people go everyday, and then slowly expand the lineup from there.
Oh for sure, I see where you're coming from.
What a lot of comics might have to do is look at restructuring releases or how they deliver content. Making readers wait month to month might be too long for young readers.
GuileBootCamp
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Limiting comics to just comic stores is probably the dumbest thing that ever happened to the industry.
excelsiorlef
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Fine whatever it all built off the juggernaut Claremont built through out the 80s.
That's because they weren't selling and the companies were taking all the hits.
bunbun777
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I agree Claremont did the best work and made x-men #1 at marvel in the 80's, but marvel sold more books in the 90's thanks to all the various x titles they were putting out. 4 of those 7 artists to leave were x guys.
I agree but I also remember marvel sold directly to readers with 1 year subscriptions. Used to get amazing Spider-Man in the mail, not sure if they do that anymore. 30 40 years ago every single pharmacy had all the hot marvel comics in a spinning rack, I remember grabbing a copy of secret wars #8, I always would try to read as many as possible while mom shopped.
excelsiorlef
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Sure but my point is they were already number 1 coming into the 90s. Then they rode it till the speculator boom became the speculator bust.
My point is it wasn't anything specfically about 90s X-men that made them extra special or iconic. They boomed because they were on top when the boom happened and that's thanks to Claremont and the 80s.
Melkezadek
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We need Angela Bassett as Storm, but we'll never get it.
Jorok Goldblade
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The nineties boom and bust were due to the speculator market as well as the rise of the superstar artist. Four of the seven artists who developed enough following to found Image were on X-Books at Marvel before breaking away The books were largely garbage because the editors and artist pretty much rendered the writers pointless.
As for the nineties team being nothing special, I have to agree there. This is the GOAT Team:
I wouldn't say DC is fighting the move to digital. They were the first publisher to adopt same-day digital back in 2011 and put out a lot of quality, digital content. The only thing they're lacking in is an unlimited service like Unlimited. I don't think they are too rushed to do that as they tend to beat Marvel handedly at the trade market.
Storm played by Beyonce.
This looks like one of those XXX parodies.
excelsiorlef
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The nineties boom and bust were due to the speculator market as well as the rise of the superstar artist. Four of the seven artists who developed enough following to found Image were on X-Books at Marvel before breaking away The books were largely garbage because the editors and artist pretty much rendered the writers pointless.
As for the nineties team being nothing special, I have to agree there. This is the GOAT Team:
That's one of my fav lineups too. The cartoon 90s lineup is frankly my least favorite lineup probably period.
And yeah superstar artists where the images became more important than story is exactly why the 90s had a lot of issues.
It is why I say Gambit is the perfect microcosm for 90s comics (Jubilee to a lesser extent). Style over substance, flash over character.
I also think those artists were put on those books because X-Men were already the it product for Marvel.
It wasn't the artists that made X-men popular it was the X-Men's popularity that got them those artists.
Jorok Goldblade
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And then it created a feedback loop.
Imperfected
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I really wish they could get the X-Men rights back. Marvel's female line-up is surprisingly anemic without mutant characters, especially since they don't seem overly interested in She-Hulk.
I mean, sure, Guardians has proven they can just bolster up Z-Tier characters like Typhoid Mary to fill the gap, but they don't seem particularly interested in bothering even with that in the MCU...
I mean, sure, Guardians has proven they can just bolster up Z-Tier characters like Typhoid Mary to fill the gap, but they don't seem particularly interested in bothering even with that in the MCU...
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