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[killatopak]

So many with so little knowledge of Cloud processing.

Dont worry in a couple years every piece of internet enabled technology will be running processes off the cloud servers and Apple would have released a 100% run off the cloud phone and you will all lap that crap up.

Why do you guys think this is the number 1 invested technology in the world right now? Its not only microsoft, its every tech company in the world.

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[Izayoi]

no. I'm afraid it doesn't.

More ROPs and PS4 has HUMA while Xbone does not.

Is pulling stuff out of our ass allowed now, or something?

Edit: I see he later admitted he was wrong but refuses to believe that it will have any difference on games... :lol

 

[Alebrije]

The best for Xbone is a no Kinetic sku.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I guess their marketing worked. Is your next "there won't always be a difference" post going to talk about "the balance" of the Xbone?

Microsoft's marketing and PR has gone wild in obfuscating the facts......from sharpening filters, 1080p upscaling, infinite power of the cloud, balance, embargos, etc. It definitely worked....and it doesn't help that game writers have been pretty complicit in letting them fool or mislead consumers.

 

[Nafai1123]

There's optimization left, but no where near as much as the X1. You can harp on HUMA or the fact that its a custom APU but at the same time the APU is closer to a mainline AMD APU than the X1 (due to ESRAM and the fact MS designed large parts of the chip themselves vs Sony just using already established designs).

It's like saying, the OG Xbox has optimization left at the beginning of that gen. Yes, yes it does. But the PS2 used super customized hardware, it has a lot more to do optimization wise.

ESRAM is not "super customized hardware" and I would suggest actually checking out some of the design docs and interviews regarding the PS4 APU development. There was a lot of customization done by Sony, some of which was actually taken by AMD to used in their future APU's (increasing the number of ACE/Queues being a prime example). You're free to think that ESRAM optimization is going to somehow provide a drastic improvement in performance, but don't downplay Sony's part in developing the APU or the possibility that the system could drastically improve over time as well. They inarguably have a more efficient, more powerful, and cheaper APU design than the XB1.

 

[symmetrical]

There's optimization left, but no where near as much as the X1. You can harp on HUMA or the fact that its a custom APU but at the same time the APU is closer to a mainline AMD APU than the X1 (due to ESRAM and the fact MS designed large parts of the chip themselves vs Sony just using already established designs).

Esram is actually a bottleneck, not something "optimization" can fix. Basically developers have to do work arounds by tiling resources in order to fit that small buffer.

It will still never be as simple as the unified memory system of that on the PS4.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

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Its clear now that most multiplatform games will get inferior version on X1 compared to the PS4 .. now some games have lower resolution and others have lower graphics .. but i think its time to standardize things because its not a good thing for X1 games to have such big difference between the games in resolution .

Both?

 

[Crisco]

It's not a really much of a debate, it's got to be lower resolution. Half-Life 2 at 4k still looks worse than Battlefield 4 at 720p.

 

[coldfoot]

So many with so little knowledge of Cloud processing.

Dont worry in a couple years every piece of internet enabled technology will be running processes off the cloud servers and Apple would have released a 100% run off the cloud phone and you will all lap that crap up.

Why do you guys think this is the number 1 invested technology in the world right now? Its not only microsoft, its every tech company in the world.

You have zero knowledge about cloud processing, or you would not have insinuated that its suitable for graphics rendering. Smartphones already use the cloud to a great extent, but they sure as hell won't be running processes of the cloud besides the regular data sharing that they do today.

 

[The One and Done™]

The One will change the way games are played with the Cloud. Eventually, once the DRM returns, we will see fully realized games with the use of the Cloud. I continue to think about procedurally evolving games in real time with the use of Cloud. It would change open world games for sure. Hell, it could create a new genre entirely.

 

[JoRo]

Why not both-hey wait a second

Heh. Good show. This got a chuckle out of me.