Dr. Buni
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What's up with all the FFXV hate?
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ethomaz
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You have the complete opposite feeling of others that played the demo at E3.
PS. All these talks about FFs makes me realize I'm starving for a FFT sequel or remake
Dangansona
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That's strange because it seemed like the GI crew was pretty positive on the opening hours when the did their cover story.
killatopak
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Imagine a FFXV with Nomura and PG collab.
I wouldn't trade it for NieR 2 though. Such perfection.
Bad presentation, horrid demo earlier this year, the VR gimmick looks terrible, and it barely resembles what was once known as Final Fantasy. Honestly, the FF12 remake looks more exciting and interesting than this. It pains me to say this as a long-time fan of the series.
Glad to be getting my RPG fix with P5, DQ7, and at the moment, TW3.
Glad to be getting my RPG fix with P5, DQ7, and at the moment, TW3.
OrbitalBeard
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I wonder why they were positive on a game they used to try to sell readers an issue of their magazine.
It's really, really hard to gauge how GI editors actually feel about a game if it's an issue's cover story.
NoctisVsStar
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What does Nier got to do with the convo? seems like a cheap shot.
To be fair they were describing an event that took place a few weeks before E3. I'm not sure if GI covered the same event, or possibly a new build. Who really knows anymore.
Holundrian
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Maybe because I don't feel persecuted? I overexaggerate to match the type of nonsense some people base their statements on.
Oh damn.
Hoping for the best nevertheless.
Watch their impressions if you haven't yet. Context in which they say it is important, those few words quoted do not tell the whole story and give off the wrong impression and I say this as a skeptic.
GI played the same demo the others did. Their demo may have been older build though.
Every preview I've heard/read other than EZA's has been positive.
There's a few here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1233627
Cow Mengde
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Let's also add in some cringe inducing dialog to it.
It's been in development for quite a while. If that's not true, then they announced it way too soon.
The way it's been marketed is polarizing. I can appreciate the silliness in certain aspects (like Chocobo + Afrojack) and be appalled at others (Cidney + VR).
The direction seems all over the place, with too many options and not enough confidence in some central direction.
I'm expecting the worse, but hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
The way it's been marketed is polarizing. I can appreciate the silliness in certain aspects (like Chocobo + Afrojack) and be appalled at others (Cidney + VR).
The direction seems all over the place, with too many options and not enough confidence in some central direction.
I'm expecting the worse, but hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Dangansona
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I mean I'm referring more to their comments in the podcast which I believe came out after the magazine came out and from listening to the discussion was comprehensive enough to where I didn't feel like someone would feel the need to pick it up (it's kind of the question of have about all gaming podcasts, but that's besides the point).
Maybe you are right, but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
This made no sense at all
Was this part of the trailer at Sony conference?
bananafactory
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The MS demo happened
You can't just dismiss that, it was awful
You can't just dismiss that, it was awful
Lumpy Onion
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Since I've enjoyed every FF (except XIV) I am pretty excited to have a new mainline entry. I didn't enjoy either of the demos though. The combat had a sluggish weight to it that didn't feel fluid to me. I hope the final game's battle system pleases. The E3 trailer and some footage of town exploration I saw makes me very optimistic about the game. Can't wait to stay totally in the dark and play it for myself.
OrbitalBeard
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No, that's completely fair. I wasn't aware you were talking about their comments outside of the magazine.
Adam_Roman
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My hype died after they confirmed it wouldn't be on PC at launch. There's too much for me to play already for me to bother buying it on PS4.
Dangansona
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No worries!
Quick shout out to GI in general. I feel like their podcast is a bit underrated (here's hoping they follow my suggestion and make Catherine the next game club game).
Holundrian
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Very reductive bordering on misquote.
If anyone is even interested in the full context https://youtu.be/KftPFPcu_K0?t=2h15m40s
Already linked to the right time. It's very reasonable.
Psychological Intellect
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The little hype I had for the game completely died after I played the demo. The combat and movement is very poor.
Also, the presentations have been awful and it just doesn't look very fun at all.
Also, the presentations have been awful and it just doesn't look very fun at all.
ShaoranWright
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[edit] Okay, so EZA's impressions weren't from the recent build at e3.
https://youtu.be/KftPFPcu_K0?t=2h12m12s
What?, the EZA guys played the demo that was in the MS conference, was that an old build?
Oh!
This made no sense at all
They were trying to be -edgy- with the trailer.
i suppose it's the amount of time we've been anticipating it. i, for one, am pumped for it, but i'm worried it's not really going to sell close to what their expectations are (though i have absolutely nothing to back up this fear). whatever happens, we can count on FF7R to reignite the interest in FF if XV doesn't do it =)
This is the updated build that Tabata talked about that was made for the E3 event itself, and it performs and looks much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk
OmegaDL50
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Hate can also be a poisonous well.
This is why my approach towards FFXV has mainly been neutral with a mix of both positive points and criticisms.
It's a different team from FFXIII with different direction. Each FF game has a different approach from title to title. I don't see this any different with FFXV in that regard.
People looking for the absolute worst in something and being overly critical to the extreme, when the experience is over, focusing on trying to find the negatives one tends to gloss over and even at times outright ignore what good there could be had, and I find this to be unfortunate shame when one expecting the worst as consequence sours their own experience.
For those tired of waiting. I'd imagine the PS3 release would have been a much more limited and restrictive in scope. The shift to the PS4 is probably for the best.
I don't think the Regalia flight mode would have existed in the state it currently does on the PS3 with the long draw distances and larger environments for example. Probably would have been a much less ambitious and far more cutdown experience in comparison.
This is why my approach towards FFXV has mainly been neutral with a mix of both positive points and criticisms.
It's a different team from FFXIII with different direction. Each FF game has a different approach from title to title. I don't see this any different with FFXV in that regard.
People looking for the absolute worst in something and being overly critical to the extreme, when the experience is over, focusing on trying to find the negatives one tends to gloss over and even at times outright ignore what good there could be had, and I find this to be unfortunate shame when one expecting the worst as consequence sours their own experience.
For those tired of waiting. I'd imagine the PS3 release would have been a much more limited and restrictive in scope. The shift to the PS4 is probably for the best.
I don't think the Regalia flight mode would have existed in the state it currently does on the PS3 with the long draw distances and larger environments for example. Probably would have been a much less ambitious and far more cutdown experience in comparison.
This is it for me... not liking the characters. The graphics on the demo were terrible too. The VR demo made me cringe too everytime the girl appearead with her tits. I felt so embarassed, this is not the kind of game I want anymore.
It was similar at SE's own booth. The line for KH 2.8 was longer lol.
Tetsuya Nomura literally said the PS3 could not keep up when the car was driving in the open world, which sounds kind of unreal. It points out SE's incompetence in that department, but the leap to PS4 definitely allowed the vision to come to fruition.
Romars202129
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That, I think it was 2013? Trailer really hyped me up. I'm still on board.
Going to be honest here; the reason I'm so excited about FFXV is because of how different it is compared to other Final Fantasy's. It having sudo KH's combat mechanics, its more realistic presentation and the characters honestly interest me a lot. I loved my limited time with both FFVII and FFIX (own both on my Vita via PS1 Classics 
) but I never beat them.
I think people are sour on FFXV due to it having so much to prove to people. This WILL be the first mainline FF JRPG released after the FFXIII trilogy. And people were very 'mixed' on that trilogy, to put it very lightly. So, with that happening for a few years and that being the only console FF JRPG content for many (ignoring the Realm Reborn FFXIV, as some people don't like MMO games), people were pushed away from Final Fantasy.
Every effort FFXV has is to appeal to the common gamer market; real time action combat system, massive open world, more grounded look and seemingly more serious story. Those are hooks that will suck people into the game when it launches and marketing swings into full gear.
But its not the Final Fantasy that many WANT, and that is fine. Stuff like I Am Sustana, World of Final Fantasy, the Bravely Series and the western return of Dragon Quest will appeal to those gamers now. At least, that is what I feel at the moment and I could be dead wrong :l.
However, there is another factor against Square Enix here; Persona 5. That is the game that will get the higher review scores, get the most praise from gamers and will likely be the one that sells better all things considered. Many trust Atlus after the success of Persona 3 and 4, in addition to other games of its kind like Trails of Cold Steel I & II.
People trust the Persona brand, but others are more wary on the Final Fantasy Brand after last generation despite it being strong on handhelds still. Looking forward to Final Fantasy XV personally and I can't wait to dive into the game with my new PS4 this fall
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) but I never beat them. I think people are sour on FFXV due to it having so much to prove to people. This WILL be the first mainline FF JRPG released after the FFXIII trilogy. And people were very 'mixed' on that trilogy, to put it very lightly. So, with that happening for a few years and that being the only console FF JRPG content for many (ignoring the Realm Reborn FFXIV, as some people don't like MMO games), people were pushed away from Final Fantasy.
Every effort FFXV has is to appeal to the common gamer market; real time action combat system, massive open world, more grounded look and seemingly more serious story. Those are hooks that will suck people into the game when it launches and marketing swings into full gear.
But its not the Final Fantasy that many WANT, and that is fine. Stuff like I Am Sustana, World of Final Fantasy, the Bravely Series and the western return of Dragon Quest will appeal to those gamers now. At least, that is what I feel at the moment and I could be dead wrong :l.
However, there is another factor against Square Enix here; Persona 5. That is the game that will get the higher review scores, get the most praise from gamers and will likely be the one that sells better all things considered. Many trust Atlus after the success of Persona 3 and 4, in addition to other games of its kind like Trails of Cold Steel I & II.
People trust the Persona brand, but others are more wary on the Final Fantasy Brand after last generation despite it being strong on handhelds still. Looking forward to Final Fantasy XV personally and I can't wait to dive into the game with my new PS4 this fall
.Failing is now edgy lol
orthodoxy1095
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Makes sense since 0.2 looks amazingggggggggggggggggg!
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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FFXV is being hated on? News to me. It looks so damn good and people are hyped if anything.
orthodoxy1095
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Huh. Almost nothing new from the last time you linked me this thread. It'd be nice if there were more impressions to substantiate the positivity.
I want to be excited for it but it feels like for every awesome trailer there's some demo that makes the game look like butt. Also the Platinum demo really disappointed me so I'm already in cautious mode with the game. I'm probably still gonna get it anyway because I want to explore the world but I'm definitely waiting for impressions after getting burned with XIII.
It's not hate, it's reasonable doubt. Square Enix has been fumbling the franchise for years now. It's a ship with multiple captains, no compass and an insane amount of expectation. A bloated franchise with a serious identity crisis and a ton of baggage.
Any more, the development process seems to be a matter of investing vast sums of money and resources developing disparate verticle slices, gameplay systems and art assets and shoe-horning it all together to form some incohesive, incoherent multi-media chimera.
Considering everything we've seen of the game and its loooong, troubled, expensive development - along with the incredibly divisive FF13 series, franchise spin-offs and remakes - skepticism isn't just warranted, it's highly advisable.
I mean, it started off as a weird spin-off to 13 that ate up so much time and resources in trying to make it work that the only feasible option was to rebrand it as the next mainline game...
Any more, the development process seems to be a matter of investing vast sums of money and resources developing disparate verticle slices, gameplay systems and art assets and shoe-horning it all together to form some incohesive, incoherent multi-media chimera.
Considering everything we've seen of the game and its loooong, troubled, expensive development - along with the incredibly divisive FF13 series, franchise spin-offs and remakes - skepticism isn't just warranted, it's highly advisable.
I mean, it started off as a weird spin-off to 13 that ate up so much time and resources in trying to make it work that the only feasible option was to rebrand it as the next mainline game...
I gotta say their marketing has been horrendous. They're trying too hard to appeal to the mainstream crowd by trying to make final fantasy seem hip and cool that it's alienating their core fans in the process. I mean is someone seriously gonna buy the game cause Afrojack produced some music for one of their trailers?
KingdomHeartsFan
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I don't think people hate the game, I don't see any reason to hate the game, but I think people are concerned and disappointed. I think this comes from many mistakes SE has made, but mainly:
-Releasing a shitty unoptimized demo made by a very small team.
-The boss fight at MS's conference didn't install a lot of faith.
-I've seen the graphics of the game be all over the place, specifically but no exclusively the shitty AA that makes the game look not so good in certain instances.
I will be getting the game day 1 because I've waited so long for this and need to play it as soon as possible, but I can understand why other people won't.
-Releasing a shitty unoptimized demo made by a very small team.
-The boss fight at MS's conference didn't install a lot of faith.
-I've seen the graphics of the game be all over the place, specifically but no exclusively the shitty AA that makes the game look not so good in certain instances.
I will be getting the game day 1 because I've waited so long for this and need to play it as soon as possible, but I can understand why other people won't.
encephalon
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The trailers they are releasing still look like teaser trailers. This was E3. The game is out in three months. They released a trailer with a bunch of random gameplay and a few very brief clips of scenes.
At this point you might expect trailers to start to tell a story. If you want to be surprised by everything that happens, you might avoid trailers right around now for fear that all the scenes in the game would be shown. But ... it still looks like it's a year or two away, at least to me.
What am I meant to be excited about? The sheer fact that it's "open world," in 2016, when even Zelda is open world?
At this point you might expect trailers to start to tell a story. If you want to be surprised by everything that happens, you might avoid trailers right around now for fear that all the scenes in the game would be shown. But ... it still looks like it's a year or two away, at least to me.
What am I meant to be excited about? The sheer fact that it's "open world," in 2016, when even Zelda is open world?
hurricanes
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This thread made me worry. I did not watch the player demo, is it that bad?
I like most of the trailers...
I like most of the trailers...