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[mrmickfran]

What irritates me more than anything is that in any thread about any other Final Fantasy whether it be World or Zodiac Age, someone has to come in the thread and say "I'm more hyped for this than FFXV"

Congrats, now you turned the thread into a FFXV shitting thread.

 

[Owari]

No lines? I wonder if it was just at the time you were there.

To give perspective, there was a huge line for FFXIV on the other side of the booth, while XV just sat there with no line. The Xbox One units running XV were empty and me and some other dudes camped on the same PS4s for hours with no one waiting in line. It was surreal.

I kept thinking "why does the best playable RPG at E3 (besides Zelda) have no line"

 

[Sami+]

I just think it looks bad. Ever since Tabata started turning it into his own shit I stopped being interested.

 

[Kowashitai]

The E3 demo was terrible. The guy playing seemed like he didn't know what he was supposed to be doing and it was hard to watch. The second episode of Brotherhood Final Fantasy XV sold me more on the game than that demo did.

 

[Shoeless]

I have to admit, I'm all on board for Persona 5, but more skeptical about FFXV, and that feeling solidifies as more time passes. I'll play them both, but P5 is more out of genuine "Good God, can't wait, this is going to be so good," and FFXV is more, "Well, I played all the other ones, so the completionist in me would feel the lack."

Part of it might be that I'm more of a traditionalist. Atlus really knows what its fanbase wants, and they're small enough that they're terrified of losing them, so they give them exactly what they want. The FF series feels like Squenix really wanted the franchise to go mainstream last console generation, and they're still clinging to that ambition for this console generation too. I'd love for them to just go back to turn-based, sometimes super-serious, sometimes dopey charm of the Sakaguchi era, but even though that's what older fans may want, that's not the kind of game Squenix wants to make anymore.

 

[Gator86]

Nothing about it has ever really looked or sounded good and the last good single-player FF game was in 2001 - 15 full years ago.

 

[The God]

Can't speak for anyone else but the combat (from the PSN demo) is not fun at all.

 

[Cloud7]

It's more worry than hate, honestly. I think people like a lot of what the game offers but are worried about the combat performance.

Overall with Final Fantasy, people who don't like the series or don't like the popular entries will always find a reason to hate on them, whether justified or not. It's just nature of the business. It's like people hating on Call of Duty. Most of the games' quality are actually good but because of the advertisement/marketing, hype, and playerbase, people tire of it and find reasons to hate it. The same can apply to the Final Fantasy franchise but on a smaller scale.

 

[DSix]

The game engine is a complete trainwreck, it runs like hot garbage and doesn't even looks that great.

 

[GobFather]

Could be just a bad demo, the boss fight didn't seem fun at all. I'm excited for the game and want to know more before I make my final decision.

 

[broscientific]

As a side note, I am a little glad Square Enix have been trying out different battle systems, but if this game is poorly received, I wonder if we'll see a return to the more turn-based battle systems of the earlier FFs, even if they are less realistic.

Spoiler

Hiroyuki Ito please save us.

 

[ethomaz]

What irritates me more than anything is that in any thread about any other Final Fantasy whether it be World or Zodiac Age, someone has to come in the thread and say "I'm more hyped for this than FFXV"

Congrats, now you turned the thread into a FFXV shitting thread.

That shows how bad FFXV actually is... spin-offs being better games than mainline.

Square Enix some way or other will understand how they are fucking with the franchise.

 

[.JayZii]

10 years is a long period of your life to have taken away from you.

You really should have done something with your life other than wait for this game to come out. Your legs must be blood clot city.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The Easy Allies report from the 1st few chapters has me super worried. The game crashed on them constantly and was a slide show at times.

 

[gigantor21]

Based on what I've seen and heard, and played in demos, I have little reason to like FFXV and don't get what's so "incredible" about it.

I don't give a shit about any of the main characters. I don't like the combat system at all. I hate most of the character designs. The visuals look rough, and the game performance itself has seemed inconsistent at best. The story sounds interesting, and it seems like Tabata doesn't have his head all the way up his ass the way Toriyama did, but after several narrative misfires I'm not going to be convinced that SE can tell an engrossing story in mainline FF until I see it. And the last time that happened for me was FFX.

I'm hoping beyond hope that my doubts are wrong, and that it ends up being as amazing as I hoped it would be way back when Versus XIII was first announced. But I haven't seen any reason to believe that it will live up to my initial hype.

 

[Lucentto]

- E3 demo was terrible
- Platinum demo was terrible
- Optimization of the game worries me
- The dialog I have heard throughout the demos worry me

That's just an introduction of my issues with the game so far. The thing is I want this game to be good. I need this game to be good. Big budgeted/high quality console JRPGs are basically dead. I would be highly appreciative if the ones that do exist aren't terrible.

 

[Ozium]

it's been in development hell and it looks bad

 

[jet1911]

The Platinum demo was baaaaaaaaad. That's the only thing I played from that game and it really turned me of off it.

 

[Kyari]

I played the Platinum Demo a few times and found it kind of boring. I feel like that's a decent ground for an opinion to form, that's what demos are for.

 

[Dangansona]

It has the least interesting cast of characters of any mainline game i've seen and the idea of a bunch of dudes on a road trip as a major premise sounds terribly boring.

There has been some exciting gameplay shown in various trailers and demo's, but the overall marketing has been confusing and it has had some terrible showings here and there. Not to mention many concerns about technical issues still prevalent.

The characters are the very definition of cringe.

Have you guys played FF VIII or IV? Hell I'd throw in the majority of the X cast. FF is not known for consistently great party members. I actually think the XIII games rank near the top for that if we just pretend Vanille doesn't exist. They really should have shown off in a trailer though the fact that you can change their outfits since that's such a sticking point for people...

I think the road trip aspect is cool and has actually appealed to a bunch of game media that would otherwise be uninterested.

 

[Sora the Cat]

The last 3 Final Fantasy games were bad.

Can't agree with this. 12 it's one of the best final fantasy's ever to a lot of people. 13 isn't that bad, it's a decent game, imo. And I didn't play 14 but I thought people were enjoying it quite a lot last time I heard of it?

 

[Zophar]

Virtually everything non-MS stage demo from E3 has looked fantastic. My confidence in the game has only jumped from this event.

FFXV's development has been in a weird place from the start. Seems like they announced the FFvXIII -> FFXV rebranding way too early, and to keep interest up they've been sending off stuff for players to see over the last couple years of an deeply unfinished game. It's no wonder response has been lukewarm.

 

[Ozium]

also the battle system, from what I've seen, makes Kingdom Hearts 2 look like the Last Remnant

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

Can't agree with this. 12 it's one of the best final fantasy's ever to a lot of people. 13 isn't that bad, it's a decent game. And I didn't play 14 but I thought people were enjoying it quite a lot last time I heard of it?

Yeah XII = masterful! And XIV = fantastic.

 

[golem]

I think our old friend Final Fantasy 15 is getting a lot of unnecessary hate guys. Yes Zelda and Persona are phenomenal. Yes the game has been in development for like a decade. Yeah yeah, I watched the same Xbox One demo reel you did. It was pretty bad. But it's actually here. Final Fantasy Versus XIII. FFXV. It's coming out in like 3 months. And not only that, but it's incredible.

the almost complete lack of deserved hype for FFXV after this E3 makes me sad. It really is an amazing game, that you might have to actually play to truly appreciate.

Uh we've played the demos man, its janky as hell. It's not like we're judging on purely video footage. Hoping for the best, but it seems to me this game need to take another delay.

 

[Owari]

Compared to the Platinum demo, the game ran really well at E3. I was worried after the demo too, but the E3 demo was pretty fantastic.

Someone tell SE to release that demo on PS4, let's get the hype train going!

 

[Mediking]

I can't be the only person super excited for this game, right? You guys are sleeping on this game, man.

 

[Mcdohl]

Bad presentation at E3 plus the last FF wasn't well liked by many. SE needs to win that hype back.

I think this is the main reason.

Hopefully people at least give it a chance.

The game and its reviews will eventually speak for themselves, whether there's hype or not.

 

[toddhunter]

And not only that, but it's incredible.

What are you basing that on exactly?

FF13 was hot garbage and the FF15 demos to date have been poor at best, representing an unfocused mess of gameplay ideas copied from mediocre AAA games from five years ago.

So I think the perfectly reasonable position is doubt and hate, rather than blind optimism.

 

[Deimo5]

What makes it incredible and the best non-Zelda RPG at E3 though? Please elaborate.
"It's Final Fantasy XV" isn't enough.

 

[Rozart]

As a side note, I am a little glad Square Enix have been trying out different battle systems, but if this game is poorly received, I wonder if we'll see a return to the more turn-based battle systems of the earlier FFs, even if they are less realistic.

Spoiler

Hiroyuki Ito please save us.

I wouldn't mind it so much, if they actually made their new action-based system more engaging. I've only played the Platinum Demo. The combat feels so awkward. Maybe I just need to get used to it but my first impression of FFXV's battle system was not a good one.

 

[True Fire]

People love to hate on Final Fantasy. It's been doom and gloom for over a decade now, and it probably won't change. Resident Evil is the same way. As soon as they go back to basics for Final Fantasy, people will change their minds and complain about how they got rid of the open world. Because Final Fantasy can never win.

A lot of people aren't into RPGs either. I imagine a lot of the haters on NeoGAF aren't the type to ever buy a JRPG in the first place. There's also a lot of fans of other JRPG series who want XV to fail to prove how superior their preferred series are, because Final Fantasy is the behemoth of RPGs.

 

[mrmickfran]

That shows how bad FFXV actually is... spin-offs being better games than mainline.

Square Enix some way or other will understand how they are fucking with the franchise.

That's cool, whatever. People are more hyped for a spinoff, I get that.

What bothers me is that they think that they're being cool or hip by mentioning it in every thread.

 

[Dangansona]

Can't agree with this. 12 it's one of the best final fantasy's ever to a lot of people. 13 isn't that bad, it's a decent game, imo. And I didn't play 14 but I thought people were enjoying it quite a lot last time I heard of it?

Yeah people like XII, the XIII trilogy as a whole is pretty good with XIII-2 being awesome, and XIV:ARR is beloved. The truth is FF is in a fine state. And based on the history of XV I'd say I'd wait until XVI before completely writing off the series if XV fails.

 

[The Last One]

Here's the full demo the OP is talking about, it's actually a way better showing than the MS's press one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk

 

[Slamtastic]

Core combat seems really bad.

 

[MilkBeard]

Reading through this thread just makes me more solidified on my decision to go blackout with internet discussion while I play through Final Fantasy XV.

I feel that the game will be at least decent, but no matter what, there's going to be some internet hyperbole going on. Don't want people's negative baggage to ruin my experience.

I legit stopped reading the Titan demo thread for a few days because it was just pages and pages of hyperbolic shit posts. This game is the focus of negative attention, whether you want to call it 'hate' or not. Some of it is deserved, some of it not.

EDIT: and to give my own impression, I wasn't too hot on Duscae, but I felt like Platinum Demo had a little bit better focus, and from the footage I've seen, it looks like the game is shaping up pretty well.

 

[Hugstable]

From the demos and footage it just hasn't seemed super fun to me. I'm sure I'll warm up to it eventually, but September is gonna be so RPG packed that I'm probably not gonna be picking up XV for quite awhile. Hope it'll turn out to be really good, but for now I'm staying wary.

 

[Holundrian]

It's more worry than hate, honestly. I think people like a lot of what the game offers but are worried about the combat performance.

Overall with Final Fantasy, people who don't like the series or don't like the popular entries will always find a reason to hate on them, whether justified or not. It's just nature of the business. It's like people hating on Call of Duty. Most of the games' quality are actually good but because of the advertisement/marketing, hype, and playerbase, people tire of it and find reasons to hate it. The same can apply to the Final Fantasy franchise but on a smaller scale.

Rofl, truly the Final Fantasy.
I don't think that's the real narrative looking at the entire XIII series.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

We've been looking at these designs and characters for a decade and have two mediocre demos to show for it. I'm surprised people are still as hyped as they are. Honestly, if this wasn't connected to the Final Fantasy brand, I would have written this game off awhile ago.

The big reveal in 2013 that Versus 13 would become XV was exciting at the time, but as it settled in, I'm at the point where I wish they would have just scrapped this and done something entirely new. At least if a 100% brand new mainline game is mediocre, you can just write it off and look onward. Even if real production only begun a few years ago, from a consumer perspective it has been a decade long journey. It's going to near impossible to live up to those expectations, and the PR and demos haven't won me over either. It's a baseless accusation, but it almost feels like there is a strong reluctance from SE to show the meat of the game. We're 3 months away from release, and I feel like we've only gotten small glimpses of the rest of the game. The entire thing just makes me extremely wary.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The last 3 Final Fantasy games were bad.

Realm Reborn and FF12 were bad?

 

[Owari]

What are you basing that on exactly?

FF13 was hot garbage and the FF15 demos to date have been poor at best, representing an unfocused mess of gameplay ideas copied from mediocre AAA games from five years ago.

So I think the perfectly reasonable position is doubt and hate, rather than blind optimism.

Just based on what I played at E3! That demo was fun enough to grind for hours. Usually demos get boring, but switching the weapons you use completely changed how the battle systems worked.. I dunno, I was floored by how one boss fight could be fought so many different ways. Almost like the Final Fantasy of yore.

 

[StriKeVillain]

It doesn't look that good? It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Especially when compared to something like Persona 5.

 

[Owari]

Here's the full demo the OP is talking about, it's actually a way better showing than the MS's press one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk

Thank you! I couldn't find a good video.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Realm Reborn and FF12 were bad?

Not sure where you were when the whole XIII trilogy dropped.

 

[Styles]

That's cool, whatever. People are more hyped for a spinoff, I get that.

What bothers me is that they think that they're being cool or hip by mentioning it in every thread.

I've noticed this as well.. which kinda irks me.

 

[timmaysmittay]

I was actually very excited to play FFXV at E3 and the demo was disappointing, it didn't surprise me that the line was so short for it after I got my hands on it. Aside from the performance concerns which are somewhat forgivable (Xbox One frame rate was nearly unplayable for me however), the gameplay under the surface just simply wasn't fun. A boss battle that large should at least be exciting, but it did not have the variation or unpredictability that a well designed boss fight should have.

I did enjoy the Platinum demo and I liked what I've seen from Duscae so I'm still hyped for the game and I don't think it will be bad as a whole, but the E3 demo was hands down the worst thing I played there and that worries me for the overall consistency of the games design quality.

 

[Balls]

People honestly just need to give the combat a chance and learn it. There's definitely a learning curve to it and it's not just press O to win. You have 4 weapon slots. Each weapon has their own unique abilities and play styles. You have link attacks with party members. You have party technique commands. You have warp strike which adds another layer to it. The combat honestly has a lot going for it if you actually take the time to play with it.

 

[MilkBeard]

Just based on what I played at E3! That demo was fun enough to grind for hours. Usually demos get boring, but switching the weapons you use completely changed how the battle systems worked.. I dunno, I was floored by how one boss fight could be fought so many different ways. Almost like the Final Fantasy of yore.

The new footage released on the Playstation channel where they go through the Titan demo on PS4 looked really good...I was impressed with how much better it looked than the stage demo they presented. It really does look like there is a lot of different ways you can play, and there is subtle complexity.

EDIT: Yup, that video posted above. Really shows the potential of the battle system, imo.

 

[silva1991]

1- the gameplay in the first demo wasn't great
2- totally removing characters that fans were anticipating just because they can
3- only one playable character
4- the gameplay in the second demo was hardly an improvement over the first demo
5- the E3 demo was horrible and made me terrified of just thinking how awful the rest of the bosses

I don't hate the game I just don't give a crap about it like I used to before 2014.